It doesn’t work… it never has…

['Boro-vol]

The absolute ceiling for this staff


Great year but yea still got destroyed by Georgia’s defense last year

 

[Orangeslice13]

I just thank goodness that the idiot trolls who have crawled out from under their rocks tonight are the minority of this fan base, because this place is the embarrassment tonight, not the coach or the football team.

Sometimes 17-23 year olds have bad nights. It happens.
I have said for years we’re not winning a NT in football again in my lifetime. It just takes too much luck. I have no desire to go back to what we were that last 20+ years. I realized a couple years ago this staff is going to lose games they should not. They will also win games they should not. The trolls you speak of who are demanding championships are likely working for someone else and are elite at absolutely nothing

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Sometimes 17-23 year olds have bad nights. It happens.
I have said for years we’re not winning a NT in football again in my lifetime. It just takes too much luck. I have no desire to go back to what we were that last 20+ years. I realized a couple years ago this staff is going to lose games they should not. They will also win games they should not. The trolls you speak of who are demanding championships are likely working for someone else and are elite at absolutely nothing

This I will agree with, I think some people are a tad delusional with our program.

We are who were are, which has always been upper middle SEC with spurts of being at the top. Fanwise, traditionwise, all that we're one of the best. Wins/championships wise....I mean it's been 26 years since our NC and also our last SEC Championship. We've played in 2 SEC Championships since and the last one was 17 years ago. Since 1998 we've played in 2 top tier bowl games (1999 Fiesta Bowl and 2022 Orange Bowl) and we went 15 years (2007 to 2022) between 10+ win seasons.

That doesn't mean we can't want more or that certain things are acceptable; but it's like in some ways it's a Cubs fan mad they haven't won another WS when they went 100 years without one. I should know, I'm one of those too.

 

[OrangeVolMan]

Their defense they weren’t good defensively a year ago

Much improved this year

You just make stuff up. Alabama defense was good in 2022 when we beat them. The most they gave up in regulation, other than our game, was 27 to Auburn. They averaged giving up 18 points a game and we put up 52.

 

[Arrested Devolopment]

@Freak please just lock down the entire forum. The stupidity tonight is just mind boggling.

 

[super MOM]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

But take the UGA scores out (because they make everyone look bad on offense) and the numbers go up.

 

[CAVPUT]

Our schedule has been very weak that’s for sure

Indeed. All that shines ain't gold.

 

[CAVPUT]

Heupel was a lot more successful at UCF than Gus has been.

Very true, but that's a bit of a low bar, no?

 

[Mustng959]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not sold on our defense right now either. Way too many missed tackles and that secondary still gives me nightmares. The sooner Boo gets up to speed and on the field the better.

I agree, last night's game I wasn't even seeing the QB scrambles or running game getting stuffed. I think our defense is good but not at the level we've come to believe from the "experts". We looked slow on the LOS and our young secondary was just that ... a young secondary. It was a letdown across the board in my opinion, players and coaches. I read on another site that Sampson even admitted that they took Arky for granted. There is time to turn it around and maybe we needed this trap game as a reminder that this is the SEC and anything can happen any given Saturday for those not prepared.

 

[volmanjr]

Take the emotion out of it and just look at the numbers…



44 pts a game vs 23 when we play good teams



That’s way more than it should be. We
Led the country is scoring offense a year ago scoring 5 more pts than Georgia did per game…

No one is their right mind would come on here and say our offense was better than theirs.


JH offense doesn’t work against the good defenses and that’s proven over the course of 5 years

Beating someone by 23 points is a pretty good azz whoopin

 

[NighthawkVol]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Neyland used to say that touchdowns follow blocking as sure as night follows day.

He could have said BruinVol shows up on a message board following a loss as sure as night follows day. Haven’t seen you in awhile. The baseball team winning a Natty must’ve been a crushing blow for you. Where are you during the good times?

You need negativity like the rest of us need oxygen. But at least you’re predictable.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Ahhh

Nothing like a loss to bring out the name calling little fellers that have been waiting for a pretty boy to lead their favorite team.

 

[sami]

This I will agree with, I think some people are a tad delusional with our program.

We are who were are, which has always been upper middle SEC with spurts of being at the top. Fanwise, traditionwise, all that we're one of the best. Wins/championships wise....I mean it's been 26 years since our NC and also our last SEC Championship. We've played in 2 SEC Championships since and the last one was 17 years ago. Since 1998 we've played in 2 top tier bowl games (1999 Fiesta Bowl and 2022 Orange Bowl) and we went 15 years (2007 to 2022) between 10+ win seasons.

That doesn't mean we can't want more or that certain things are acceptable; but it's like in some ways it's a Cubs fan mad they haven't won another WS when they went 100 years without one. I should know, I'm one of those too.

All true. While being a bit delusional is part and parcel of fandom, it has created a level of expectation that isn't realistic to the vagaries of the college game today and the parity that the NIL era is producing. This is still a program only a few years removed from the outhouse, and that is still not at the depth and talent levels of the 'elite' programs in the sport - UGa, OSU, Bama, even LSU, A&M, and maybe Oregon.

Add to that the reality of how many programs have won national championships or even played for them in the last decade, even two decades. And how many of those were one shot wonders - Texas, Auburn, TCU, even Michigan.

I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a playoff appearance most years from a top level program, which we aspire to be. But even then, top level talent that is meshed to the point of creating that kind of group comes and goes at all but the very few elite programs. It takes luck in terms of health, a manageable schedule, and even some bounces going your way as well - look at 1998.

CJH may well not be the guy who delivers that level of play on a consistent basis, and Nico may not be the second coming. But given the progress in the last four years, the continued uptick in recruiting, and the culture he has built here, he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt in the short term before calling for the place to be burned down after every loss.

Maybe that's asking too much.

 

[BruinVol]

I know last night didn’t end the way we wanted but I think we are seeing a huge shift and change in CJH. I think he knows his old scheme was flawed and he’s making the necessary adjustments to it. I’m excited in what I am seeing from him!


With that said it seems to me our route concepts need the most evolution going forward or maybe our WRs are just not good enough.


Either way my confidence in CJH has never been higher as I have seen a massive change in him since this thread was started over a year ago.

 

[volfan411]

NVM I just saw this was an older post and I agree with your most current post……

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I knew it! The moment we have a faltering game result, one or more canniVols would come here to nega players and/or coaches. Happens every time.

 

[JMSqb11]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Heupel’s start here is reminding me of Dabo’s first few years taking over at Clemson. Hopefully Heupel is getting his “franchise” QB in Nico like they did with Watson and then Lawrence.

Base case for this team is 11-2 now with anything more than 13 games meaning we are in the playoff

 

[Volinnooga]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Ok let’s get someone better. Who ya got?

 

[ptgrbn]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Good teams are supposed to be harder to score on, that’s what qualifies them as good teams

 

[Orangeslice13]

How many scoring drives did Georgia have that were unassisted by refs?
No fumbles called not a fumble.
No juggled 3rd and long incomplete on the sideline called a catch
No false mask called
No punches ignored
Just curious

 

[Raiford62]

I watched the Ole Miss/Georgia game and the Tenn/Georgia game. Tell me which team had the better offensive scheme. Ole Miss or Tenn. Also tell me which team had the better defensive scheme. Ole Miss or Tenn. Not trying to be delusional just realistic.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Yall boys need to buckle up because heupel is about to start feeling the heat. The armchair spectators don’t understand how angry the base and the boosters are right now.

Well…. The base and the boosters need to calm their tits.

 

[BruinVol]

Good teams are supposed to be harder to score on, that’s what qualifies them as good teams

Sure but the valleys have been too low for JH. The splits have been too wide. I do like the fact it appears to me that JH is really evolving and realizing that scoring or having your foot on the gas and tying to score in the 40s isn’t the recipe for winning a championship.

 

[CAVPUT]

Ok let’s get someone better. Who ya got?

Nope...not gonna do it. Leave it be, Cav.

 

[TN1111]

I watched the Ole Miss/Georgia game and the Tenn/Georgia game. Tell me which team had the better offensive scheme. Ole Miss or Tenn. Also tell me which team had the better defensive scheme. Ole Miss or Tenn. Not trying to be delusional just realistic.

While I agree with you...you could do that same comparison with TN/KY and TN/Ole Miss. Ole Miss looked lost and pedestrian on their home field that game.

Hard to figure out how uneven things are from week to week. Not much makes sense and most fan bases are having these conversations.