It's 12:00 - We Have a New President

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#126
KB5252 said:
The repubs had little chance in this election because Bush was a fiscal disaster and had an ever growing unpopular war attached to him. Please tell me how either of those things reflect on conservative values? You have no clue, you are the one lying to yourself.

Bush was a disaster because he did not follow conservative principals and took a more liberal approach to spending. You are a very naive individual if you truly believe half of what you typed here. Or maybe you aren't doing this thinking all by yourself. It sounds very familiar to what you might find listening to Olbermann or Matthews.
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that's exactly right, Bush and Republicans lost the house and senate because they spent like liberals. they did not have any constraint. it wasn't the war, it was the spending that lost them the majority.
 
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#127
Headed For Home said:
BY your standards, Reagan was a crazy ultra-right wacko.
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Uhh no. I wasn't around for Reagan. But, from what I know, he represented what most conservatives should be about, and he said it all in this little quote.

"Government is not the solution to our problems. Government, is the problem."

Do I agree with the conservative philosophy. Not really. But, if the republicans wanna start winning elections, they need to start fresh, with new guys around(Bobby Jindal, for example) to define what a conservative truly is.
 
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#128
joevol320 said:
please name some prominent right wing wackos in office today? lets compare that to the ultra-leftist in office? lets see. Pelosi, Reid, Hussein O, Waxman, Kennedy( but not for long) Boxer. this is just a few names of the ultr-socialist left that run this country.

now name some ultra-right wingers in office today?

the fact is it is the media who has lied about the republicans being all millionaires and right white people. it is sad that republicans are accused of being greedy just because they want to keep more of their money. but that is the way it is, we have keep fighting lies from the media.
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Here's one of your problems. Nobody seems to have a problem with the "ultra-left" as you call it.
 
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#129
k-town_king said:
I dont believe in gay marriage or partial birth abortions or gun control but all here would say Im a "liberal". But Im left of center. According to election results I would say more Americans agree with me than you conservatives. And abortion it may be 50/50 on if people think its wrong but I dont think a majority believes it shoud be illegal.
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Americans have swung back over to left of center because of an extremely polarizing republican president. This has been repeated over and over again in our nations history. You may not want to believe it but Bush acted like everything but a conservative in many respects.
 
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#130
nickknx865 said:
Here's one of your problems. Nobody seems to have a problem with the "ultra-left" as you call it.
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of course, you're not going to hear the media day in and day out demand that the left compromise, it's always the right that must compromise. they don't have a problem with left because they know the left will hold your hand to the bathroom and wipe your azz.
 
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#131
joevol320 said:
that's exactly right, Bush and Republicans lost the house and senate because they spent like liberals. they did not have any constraint. it wasn't the war, it was the spending that lost them the majority.
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The war did hurt the repubs in the eyes of many Americans. Many parts of it were handled horribly.
 
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#133
nickknx865 said:
Here's one of your problems. Nobody seems to have a problem with the "ultra-left" as you call it.
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Yes they do, Pelosi and her controlled congress have been a disaster and their approval ratings prove it.
 
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#134
KB5252 said:
The war did hurt the repubs in the eyes of many Americans. Many parts of it were handled horribly.
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well when the media reports day in and day out every injury and death and never report the progress. you have every media guru comparing the war to vietnam, which is the furthest from the truth. they pounded lies about the war daily and eventually people are going to start believing the lie.
 
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#136
KB5252 said:
Yes they do, Pelosi and her controlled congress have been a disaster and their approval ratings prove it.
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But, they get elected in their districts. Of course most in the country disapprove of them, but they seem to fare well in their own districts.
 
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#137
joevol320 said:
well when the media reports day in and day out every injury and death and never report the progress. you have every media guru comparing the war to vietnam, which is the furthest from the truth. they pounded lies about the war daily and eventually people are going to start believing the lie.
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This is the way wars will be fought from now on. Republican or Democrat in office your tactics and operations are under the microscope.
 
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#138
Vol_4_Life said:
I have a major problem with those politicians listed.
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Well of course you do. I expect most on here to. Heck, you ever stop to think that some on the donkey side of things to have issues of them too? It just depends on where you sit on things.
 
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#139
nickknx865 said:
But, they get elected in their districts. Of course most in the country disapprove of them, but they seem to fare well in their own districts.
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The key people do, another example of the way things work. It is the ordinary representative that gets bumped off. If America is smart they will put the opposing party in power to check the president. This is true for either party who has a member sitting as president.
 
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joevol320 said:
well when the media reports day in and day out every injury and death and never report the progress. you have every media guru comparing the war to vietnam, which is the furthest from the truth. they pounded lies about the war daily and eventually people are going to start believing the lie.
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Things are going well when there's no news about Iraq. That's not being a Dem or a Repub., that's just being real.
 
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KB5252 said:
The key people do, another example of the way things work. It is the ordinary representative that gets bumped off. If America is smart they will put the opposing party in power to check the president. This is true for either party who has a member sitting as president.
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You seem to have recent history on your side. Reagan and Bush had Dems under them. Clinton had republicans in both the house and senate starting in 94.
 
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#142
The only way a repub wins a national election in the next ten years is if he is a social-moderate, fiscal-conservative. A social conservative alienates too many like I said earlier. A social-conservative like Palin is too polarizing for moderates. The repubs need to decide what direction the party is headingn Palin social-conservative wackos or old fashion republican fiscal-conservatives.
 
#143
#143
KB5252 said:
If not four the republicans will be in office in eight years. It is the way our system works. We become disillusioned with one party and turn to the other.

The pendulum has shifted no doubt and repubs took a hit. When many of those diverse groups see that a new party does not equal the answer to all their problems it will shift again, it is the way it works.
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If every time the presidential voting numbers changes suggested a sweeping change in the electorate, it actually did change, we'd have been through 42 political parties by now. Ktown is just applying his tiny prism to the rest of our lives. I'm sure I did something that silly at his age, but.....nevermind. There's no way. I actually took history seriously in school.
 
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k-town_king said:
The only way a repub wins a national election in the next ten years is if he is a social-moderate, fiscal-conservative. A social conservative alienates too many like I said earlier. A social-conservative like Palin is too polarizing for moderates. The repubs need to decide what direction the party is headingn Palin social-conservative wackos or old fashion republican fiscal-conservatives.
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Just keep on voting dem. You don't get the conservative ideal.
 
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#145
k-town_king said:
The only way a repub wins a national election in the next ten years is if he is a social-moderate, fiscal-conservative. A social conservative alienates too many like I said earlier. A social-conservative like Palin is too polarizing for moderates. The repubs need to decide what direction the party is headingn Palin social-conservative wackos or old fashion republican fiscal-conservatives.
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yeah, the social moderate is what got us out of the Nixon debacle. All it takes is one idiot like Carter or Bush to swing the entire thing another direction. It's going to happen more than once in your lifetime. You'd be better off being prepared for that, as opposed to the ostrich act you're pulling here.
 
#146
#146
k-town_king said:
The only way a repub wins a national election in the next ten years is if he is a social-moderate, fiscal-conservative. A social conservative alienates too many like I said earlier. A social-conservative like Palin is too polarizing for moderates. The repubs need to decide what direction the party is headingn Palin social-conservative wackos or old fashion republican fiscal-conservatives.
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I'll agree about some of the social conservative parts. But the Republicans will be back in the next ten years. They've just had a major setback. Same thing happened to the Democrats in 1994.
 
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#147
nickknx865 said:
Things are going well when there's no news about Iraq. That's not being a Dem or a Repub., that's just being real.
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Actually, the news out of Iraq dried up around Nov. 4th. Coincidence?

If that means things have been going well since then we have to credit Bush getting it turned around (via the Surge etc.).

If that means the media is no longer interested since BO won, then it suggests the reporting had an intention.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually, the news out of Iraq dried up around Nov. 4th. Coincidence?

If that means things have been going well since then we have to credit Bush getting it turned around (via the Surge etc.).

If that means the media is no longer interested since BO won, then it suggests the reporting had an intention.
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I've said it before(maybe not on here, but w/e), but the Surge was something I was wrong about. Thought it would just be a lost cause, but it did what it was supposed to do. Never underestimate the men in uniform.
 
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#149
volinbham said:
Actually, the news out of Iraq dried up around Nov. 4th. Coincidence?

If that means things have been going well since then we have to credit Bush getting it turned around (via the Surge etc.).

If that means the media is no longer interested since BO won, then it suggests the reporting had an intention.
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A little of both IMO. To deny that the media did drive the coverage in the direction they wanted, at least to some extent, is undeniable.
 
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#150
nickknx865 said:
I've said it before(maybe not on here, but w/e), but the Surge was something I was wrong about. Thought it would just be a lost cause, but it did what it was supposed to do. Never underestimate the men in uniform.
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We don't, that is for people who wet their beds...

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