Jameis Winston saga (merged)

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GreveHaller said:
Deny is all you like but if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, etc...

Just like Britt McHenry, if you chose to be in the national spotlight then you need to know how to hold yourself in higher esteem and understand you are in the constant spotlight and will be scrutinized for every thing you do, every action you make. Its not a matter of individual incidents its the total picture.

He's not a thug I want on my team.
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I agree with you on your first paragraph 100%.........the issue you seem to still have is that your term of "thug" is out of place. Its like me calling a fireman and delivery boy.
 
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You left off the other woman who contends she was a victim of his.

The other incidents, if standing alone, probably would not amount to much. The issue as to Winston is the repeated actions. and more importantly for FSU, it is their constantly running interference to prevent any significant consequence. Their handling of the initial rape claim and the protective actions they took for him were astoundingly awful.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I agree with you on your first paragraph 100%.........the issue you seem to still have is that your term of "thug" is out of place. Its like me calling a fireman and delivery boy.
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Then we can agree to disagree. My definition of thug is different than your definition of thug
 
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GreveHaller said:
Nov. 25, 2012: A woman calls 911 to report that there are two men on a bike path on the Florida State University campus with what appears to be a black, long-barreled pistol. Police respond and draw their guns as they approach Jameis Winston and his roommate and teammate, Chris Casher, and ultimately handcuff them. The two tell the officer they were shooting at squirrels with a pellet gun, and they are released without charges being filed.

Nov. 25, 2012: A few hours after the incident on the bike path, Winston, Casher and two other Florida State players, Mario Edwards and Kenneth “P.J.” Williams, allegedly engage in a BB- and pellet-gun battle at their apartment house, inflicting an estimated $4,000 in damage. Management at the apartment house declines to press criminal charges after an FSU athletic official vows that the players will pay for the damage.

Dec. 7, 2012: Winston is accused of raping a woman at his off-campus apartment. The woman reports the assault to police that day and five weeks later calls a detective and identifies Winston as her attacker after seeing him in a class. Tallahassee police drop the investigation, contending the woman has refused to cooperate, then revive it nine months later and sent it to State Attorney Willie Meggs. Meggs conducts a new investigation but concludes that there is not enough evidence to file criminal charges. Winston’s lawyer contends the sexual encounter was consensual. The U.S. Department of Education later launches a federal investigation of the school’s handling of the incident after questions arise about whether Florida State followed the provisions of Title IX, and in August 2014 the school launches an investigation of Winston under the student code of conduct.

July 21, 2013: Winston is accused of entering a Burger King in Tallahassee and helping himself to soda from the fountain machine without paying for it. A restaurant employee later tells police she gave Winston a cup of water but that he poured the water out and helped himself to several cups of soda despite her objections. No charges are filed.

April 29, 2014: Winston is accused of stealing $32.72 worth of crab legs from a Tallahassee supermarket. He is given a civil citation that allows him to perform community service and is suspended from the FSU baseball team until he completes that work. Winston tells police he “forgot” to pay for the crab legs and publicly apologizes.

May 20, 2014: Winston is expected at a code-of-conduct hearing for Chris Casher and Ronald Darby, two FSU teammates who alleged the witnessed a portion of the sexual encounter involving the quarterback and the woman who accused him of rape. They are both accused of violating school rules. Winston does not show up for the hearing, and his lawyer contends that no one from the school ever asked him to be there – something that is disputed by attorneys involved in the process. However, FSU officials later acknowledge that they have no way to force a witness to attend a code-of-conduct hearing.

Sept. 16, 2014: Winston is seen by several students jumping up on a table on campus and screaming a sexually charged expletive-laced phrase that was made popular on the internet. FSU head football coach Jimbo Fisher suspends Winston for the first half of the team’s upcoming game with Clemson, and school officials vow that he will be subject to “internal discipline” – most likely under the school’s code of conduct. Winston apologizes.

Here's a model citizen I want to be the leader of my team
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This qualifies as "thuggery"?

I think the portion about using his water cup to get soda at the local Burger King is especially comparable to Pacman. Good call
 
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lawgator1 said:
You left off the other woman who contends she was a victim of his.

The other incidents, if standing alone, probably would not amount to much. The issue as to Winston is the repeated actions. and more importantly for FSU, it is their constantly running interference to prevent any significant consequence. Their handling of the initial rape claim and the protective actions they took for him were astoundingly awful.
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Lets not be coy, your issue with Winston is that he is the FSU QB that has been curb stomping the Gators since he took over. It explains your unhealthy infatuation with the guy
 
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BearCat204 said:
Lets not be coy, your issue with Winston is that he is the FSU QB that has been curb stomping the Gators since he took over. It explains your unhealthy infatuation with the guy
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I am Coy.

But for real though, I believe the issue is more than fine to discuss.

Jameis isn't a thug, but imo he is by far the most unintelligent being walking this planet. He makes a mockery of the term stupid.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I agree with you on your first paragraph 100%.........the issue you seem to still have is that your term of "thug" is out of place. Its like me calling a fireman and delivery boy.
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He's a thug in my book also. Why are you so worried about someone else's opinion of his less than admirable character?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Lets not be coy, your issue with Winston is that he is the FSU QB that has been curb stomping the Gators since he took over. It explains your unhealthy infatuation with the guy
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That's too easy an excuse, and too dismissive of the systemic problem that is at the heart of this.

Critics, some Florida fans and plenty of others, have for DECADES been saying that FSU has a corrupt and all too cozy relationship with local police. It goes back more than 20 years, incidents of FSU players committing crimes and absolutely no repercussion at all.

Most of them were admittedly minor. But in addition to Winston, you recently have the two players who smacked their car into another car at 2 in the morning, took off running, came back about a half an hour later, and FSU police and TPD got together and the guys got a minor ticket.

WTF?

You can dismiss these points as just sour grapes over their recent football success. But the facts speak for themselves. There is no accountability in Tallahassee, pretty much at all.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Lets not be coy, your issue with Winston is that he is the FSU QB that has been curb stomping the Gators since he took over. It explains your unhealthy infatuation with the guy
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I'm not an FSU or Florida fan (I hate both so long as they aren't playing Bama or Notre Dame), but you don't have to be to see that there is a clear pattern of his behavioral issues, and that if he were not a star football player he would be in prison at this stage.
 
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Per Webster:

thug
noun \ˈthəg\
: a violent criminal

Full Definition of THUG

: a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, tough
— thug·gery \ˈthə-g(ə-)rē\ noun
— thug·gish \ˈthə-gish\ adjective

Examples of THUG

He was beaten and robbed by street thugs.
<the Mob boss regularly sent his thugs after people who were slow to pay their debts>
Origin of THUG

Hindi & Urdu &#7789;hag, literally, thief
First Known Use: 1810
Related to THUG
Synonyms
bully, gangbanger, gangsta, gangster, goon, gorilla, hood, hooligan, mobster, mug, plug-ugly, punk, roughneck, rowdy, ruffian, hoodlum, tough, toughie (also toughy), yob [British], yobbo [British]
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's too easy an excuse, and too dismissive of the systemic problem that is at the heart of this.

Critics, some Florida fans and plenty of others, have for DECADES been saying that FSU has a corrupt and all too cozy relationship with local police. It goes back more than 20 years, incidents of FSU players committing crimes and absolutely no repercussion at all.

Most of them were admittedly minor. But in addition to Winston, you recently have the two players who smacked their car into another car at 2 in the morning, took off running, came back about a half an hour later, and FSU police and TPD got together and the guys got a minor ticket.

WTF?

You can dismiss these points as just sour grapes over their recent football success. But the facts speak for themselves. There is no accountability in Tallahassee, pretty much at all.
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About as hypocritical as a UNC fan harping on another school about academic dishonesty.
 
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Daloth said:
I'm not an FSU or Florida fan (I hate both so long as they aren't playing Bama or Notre Dame), but you don't have to be to see that there is a clear pattern of his behavioral issues, and that if he were not a star football player he would be in prison at this stage.
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Prison for what?
 
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BearCat204 said:
$32.35 in grand theft crab leg..............death penalty IMO
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It was a truly minor event.

The first problem was that it was a star player, with a history at that point of problems, and he evidently does not care if he gets caught.... because he assumes nothing bad will happen to him.

The second problem is that he told police he forgot to pay. Jimbo Fisher said he forgot to pay.

Now, Jameis says it was preplanned, that he just got a "hook up" and he was given the crab legs by an employee.

Did Jameis lie then, to protect the fact that players were getting free food form Publix employees? Or is he lying now, trying to sort of put it off on someone else, as though he was not as much at fault as if he had just stolen them.

The incident, by itself, its nothing. But if you take a step back and look at in context, it is just another example of an FSU football player either stealing or in a ring of people giving and getting free things, and the university is nowhere to be found, and in fact defends him when it happens.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It was a truly minor event.

The first problem was that it was a star player, with a history at that point of problems, and he evidently does not care if he gets caught.... because he assumes nothing bad will happen to him.

The second problem is that he told police he forgot to pay. Jimbo Fisher said he forgot to pay.

Now, Jameis says it was preplanned, that he just got a "hook up" and he was given the crab legs by an employee.

Did Jameis lie then, to protect the fact that players were getting free food form Publix employees? Or is he lying now, trying to sort of put it off on someone else, as though he was not as much at fault as if he had just stolen them.

The incident, by itself, its nothing. But if you take a step back and look at in context, it is just another example of an FSU football player either stealing or in a ring of people giving and getting free things, and the university is nowhere to be found, and in fact defends him when it happens.
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You cannot possibly be that naive when it comes to football players getting the "hook up" in college towns.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It was a truly minor event.

The first problem was that it was a star player, with a history at that point of problems, and he evidently does not care if he gets caught.... because he assumes nothing bad will happen to him.

The second problem is that he told police he forgot to pay. Jimbo Fisher said he forgot to pay.

Now, Jameis says it was preplanned, that he just got a "hook up" and he was given the crab legs by an employee.

Did Jameis lie then, to protect the fact that players were getting free food form Publix employees? Or is he lying now, trying to sort of put it off on someone else, as though he was not as much at fault as if he had just stolen them.

The incident, by itself, its nothing. But if you take a step back and look at in context, it is just another example of an FSU football player either stealing or in a ring of people giving and getting free things, and the university is nowhere to be found, and in fact defends him when it happens.
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What's the prison sentence normally for act such as these in the great state of Florida?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm sure they do.

But when they get caught, do they lie to the police? Or do they lie to the guys who decide who to draft?
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Easy.

The player takes the rap, school stays protected, NCAA stays away, player receives slap on the wrist, life moves on.

Most aren't dumb enough to get caught though
 
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