Jason Shay resigned at ETSU

[tennrich1]

This is a controversial issue...but what we’re seeing is entities using their influence to force others to come in line with their view ...and only theirs. So IF you express your right as some say to kneel, stand, walk around or whatever don’t be surprised when the person (people) you’ve offended happens to be a big money donor and expresses his opinion by withdrawing the funds...this is the dishonesty of all this and hypocrisy of it...you WILL come in line with my way of thinking or I’ll pound you until you do. Interesting time in our constitutionally protected nation.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

It’s starting to pick up national attention. This thing is going to get ugly, and the idiots who caved to a car dealership donor have probably done more harm than if they just told that guy to take a hike.

It’s like when we decided to try and save $12 million by digging up dirt on our football coach at the cost of exposing ourself to the NCAA and further creating a black eye on the football program.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

It’s starting to pick up national attention. This thing is going to get ugly, and the idiots who caved to a car dealership donor have probably done more harm than if they just told that guy to take a hike.

It’s like when we decided to try and save $12 million by digging up dirt on our football coach at the cost of exposing ourself to the NCAA and further creating a black eye on the football program.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Carter and Noland lose their jobs over this.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I wouldnt be surprised to see Carter and Noland lose their jobs over this.

Maybe. We’ll see.

I mean people don’t have to like what the players did. They’re free to disagree and find it distasteful, BUT forcing the coach to resign just seems like the absolute worst way to handle the situation. Now, this tiny school in Johnson City is going to get horrible press and be the subject of national attention instead of just finding a new donor.

 

[golfballs]

I wouldnt be surprised to see Carter and Noland lose their jobs over this.

This story is 6 hours old. Neither party has commented on it. Only some tweets from 3rd hand sources, and rampant speculation, and were already calling for people’s heads to roll. I agree w you though, the outrage mob is merciless.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

This story is 6 hours old. Neither party has commented on it. Only some tweets from 3rd hand sources, and rampant speculation, and were already calling for people’s heads to roll. I agree w you though, the outrage mob is merciless.

The outrage mob is why I said that.

 

[chipmurphy461]

Yes, the whole coaching staff knelt with the team. If you go to 1:08 in the video with the article it shows a still shot.
‘We’re not disrespecting the flag when we take a kneel’: Local Black veteran defends ETSU men’s basketball team’s protest | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather

Player's are choosing to kneel during the National Anthem, they could kneel at any other time...they could protest whenever they want, but they are choosing to do it then, so yes, you are putting your cause before the United States. I'm not saying I do or don't agree with anyone, but the that's the facts.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Maybe. We’ll see.

I mean people don’t have to like what the players did. They’re free to disagree and find it distasteful, BUT forcing the coach to resign just seems like the absolute worst way to handle the situation. Now, this tiny school in Johnson City is going to get horrible press and be the subject of national attention instead of just finding a new donor.

The press is going to be awful, but I expect the mob to come after those two.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I just wanted to throw this out there, but the reason Im so interested in the story and opinions is because this is where my degree is from.

 

[golfballs]

I just wanted to throw this out there, but the reason Im so interested in the story and opinions is because this is where my degree is from.

Well there’s obviously a story. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the car dealership pulled or threatened to pull their sponsorship, but I highly doubt the university gave him an ultimatum. This is obviously a political issue and College administrators are some of the most liberal folks around. Beyond that though, they can’t compel a coach to stop his players from kneeling anymore than they can kick them out of school.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Player's are choosing to kneel during the National Anthem, they could kneel at any other time...they could protest whenever they want, but they are choosing to do it then, so yes, you are putting your cause before the United States. I'm not saying I do or don't agree with anyone, but the that's the facts.

This is ridiculous; by enacting a right you have as American is putting a cause "before" the United States?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Well there’s obviously a story. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the car dealership pulled or threatened to pull their sponsorship, but I highly doubt the university gave him an ultimatum. This is obviously a political issue and College administrators are some of the most liberal folks around. Beyond that though, they can’t compel a coach to stop his players from kneeling anymore than they can kick them out of school.

Random thought I had, but what if the issue is that Shay is an employee of the college, but the players are not? As politics are a hot button issue, like you said most college folks are liberal, but theyre usually told to not actually take a stance. Shay actually took a stance and basically alienated part of the community which supports the school. Ex... its no different than poster above firing an employee for bringing politics in the workplace, just done in a much more public realm.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Random thought I had, but what if the issue is that Shay is an employee of the college, but the players are not? As politics are a hot button issue, like you said most college folks are liberal, but theyre usually told to not actually take a stance. Shay actually took a stance and basically alienated part of the community which supports the school.

In this instance I would agrue not kneeling is taking a stance. I mean yes he could have stood and also made a statement that he supports his players kneeling but seems like those that don't like him kneeling would then complain he let his players do it and didn't punish them.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

In this instance I would agrue not kneeling is taking a stance. I mean yes he could have stood and also made a statement that he supports his players kneeling but seems like those that don't like him kneeling would then complain he let his players do it and didn't punish them.

Sure but if the coach chose his words carefully, there really isnt anything the school could do about it as the athletes arent employees of the school. Ex Coach saying, " I support the players in doing what they feel is right" He takes 0 stance there, and still has his players back.

 

[kbowersjr]

The vast majority of donors and season ticket holders were very upset by the actions of the team and coaches. Perhaps it is time to eliminate tax payer funded minor leagues, I realize sports Bring in revenue, but with the actions of some of our recruits lately I have to question my support of the whole system. A free education to be an ambassador for the school is a wonderful deal, I wish my college had been free, but I was lucky, my father worked himself silly to help, I will do the same for my children, it is time for everyone to appreciate the free tuition, room, and board these young people receive to play sports for the taxpayer funded Universities.

 

[BreatheUT]

In the end, those players represent the university and actions have consequences.

The bigger issue is this narrative has been weaponized to make everyone comply. It is an attempted political takeover of the country. Consider that some players are probably feeling forced to kneel by other teammates or face some type of backlash.

 

[golfballs]

Random thought I had, but what if the issue is that Shay is an employee of the college, but the players are not? As politics are a hot button issue, like you said most college folks are liberal, but theyre usually told to not actually take a stance. Shay actually took a stance and basically alienated part of the community which supports the school. Ex... its no different than poster above firing an employee for bringing politics in the workplace, just done in a much more public realm.

Well there’s a reason free speech cases are still making their way up the court system. It’s not always cut and dry. But I’d be surprised if anyone in the country, let alone a college administrator on an issue like this is issuing ultimatums. There’s definitely more to this

 

[mr.checkerboards]

The bigger issue is this narrative has been weaponized to make everyone comply. It is an attempted political takeover of the country. Consider that some players are probably feeling forced to kneel by other teammates or face some type of backlash.

You arent the first person ive seen mentioned this and I agree. Someone mentioned players being forced to wear messages and patches on their jersey's, but what if they didnt support the cause?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Well there’s a reason free speech cases are still making their way up the court system. It’s not always cut and dry. But I’d be surprised if anyone in the country, let alone a college administrator on an issue like this is issuing ultimatums. There’s definitely more to this

Hopefully if there is more it all comes out, im trying to make logical sense of this and its really hard to.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

The bigger issue is this narrative has been weaponized to make everyone comply. It is an attempted political takeover of the country. Consider that some players are probably feeling forced to kneel by other teammates or face some type of backlash.

You can say the exact same thing about the other side; you stand or else.

 

[SGMVols]

Bring him to replace English. He was a good game scout.

None of the coaches involved in the Pearl violations will ever be hired back at UT.

 

[BreatheUT]

None of the coaches involved in the Pearl violations will ever be hired back at UT.

This concept is too complicated for some.

 

[BreatheUT]

You can say the exact same thing about the other side; you stand or else.

We both know it's not the same.

 

[Special Ed]

Absolutely disgusting and shameful if he was asked to resign because of supporting his player’s right to kneel. I’m not saying I support the kneeling, I am neutral on that whole subject honestly. But, to have him resign because he supported his players and didn’t cave to pressure is embarrassing and good luck getting young men to commit to your university in the future.

That's a good point. Recruits like to feel they're signing on with a program that has a coach who will support his players rather than kowtow to misguided boosters and politicians. If this creates a negative vibe that reverberates among the potential ETSU recruiting pool, this will severely diminish their reach and they'll be lucky to land anything other than local talent to fill future rosters.

 

[malibuvol]

Theres got to be more to the story.

I think Shay was over his head as a head coach and now (before quitting) he had to manage boosters' feelings as well...Negotiated settlement to get out of Dodge...