Jaylen McCollough arrested

[CNCVol88]

After reading the news description I'm not so sure he should have been arrested. I guess the problem is he hit the guy who "broke into" his apartment (the guy says he entered by mistake) after the guy left instead of while he was still inside.

allegedly he punched him outside his apt. If this is all they have idk that this sticks.

 

[FranklinVFL]

we have this all wrong.

Drunk man walks into the wrong apartment in the wrong building. Jaylen sees he is intoxicated and tries to help him find the right apartment.

Jaylen is helping said person down some stairs when the individual slips and falls down the stairs, taking Jaylen with him. Jaylen tries to stop the fall and ends up hitting his hand against the wall and steps—causing extraordinary bleeding and the other individual glacé plants on the fall and knocks out teeth and/or breaks jaw.

Jaylen tells guy to hang on a second and he will go back to get his phone to call for help. Jaylen’s gf comes to assist and Jaylen comes back to the police and the false story.

Said person embarrassed and knows parents will kill himfor being so black out drunk. Makes up entire thing to save face with parents in that he did not fall, but was beat up.

 

[Orange&White]

I’m a defense attorney. In my opinion the warrant gives any competent counsel plenty to question and attack. We obviously are only reading the victim’s take on the encounter. A lot more details will likely be discovered after talking to other witnesses. Police reports are written from a biased opinion and for the purpose of sustaining charges. The officer(s) should have been wearing body cams and that might shed more light onto the situation too.

I have tried cases involving self defense. If the guy was walking away from McCullough and McCullough pursued him and hit him then that’s not good. If the guy barged into the residence and McCullough felt threatened himself or for his girlfriend’s safety and hit the guy once or so then that’s a different story. There are a lot of instances where the initial aggressor becomes the victim though. It is all about “reasonable” force to address the threat. You can never use deadly/serious bodily force to defend property.

I see a lot of charges like this reduced to misdemeanors or retired with good behavior. This may be more about the victim getting restitution to pay for medical bills. Tennessee also offers judicial diversion which allows a defendant to conditionally plea to the charge then after completing the conditions and probation the charge can be dismissed and expunged.

 

[Tman44]

Doors have locks for a F'n reason!

 

[SNAFU]

You are not missing much. Mostly just posters arguing with each other with a lot of "I can't believe the ignorance in here" posts

As a fellow suffering Steelers fan,
“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked. “Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually, then suddenly.”

Not Cowher to Tomlin but Hemingway in “The Sun Also Rises” but describes Steelers

 

[CAVPUT]

Only thing that makes sense would be the drunk made some sort of comment that sparked McCollough and he went after him. Still, it's all speculation so we just have to let things work themselves out, but I suspect the wheels of justice won't turn nearly fast enough for bama week. No doubt they're already working on some things to target his replacement. Nice job Jalen. Just couldn't hold back eh?

 

[Honest Abe]

If this guy was drunk enough to go into the wrong apartment, I’d say he’s drunk enough to fall down the stairs trying to run away.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Nicky has everyone bought off in Ala.

Im guessing the guy that he had an altercation with was a Bama plant...

 

[walkenvol]

I’m a defense attorney. In my opinion the warrant gives any competent counsel plenty to question and attack. We obviously are only reading the victim’s take on the encounter. A lot more details will likely be discovered after talking to other witnesses. Police reports are written from a biased opinion and for the purpose of sustaining charges. The officer(s) should have been wearing body cams and that might shed more light onto the situation too.

I have tried cases involving self defense. If the guy was walking away from McCullough and McCullough pursued him and hit him then that’s not good. If the guy barged into the residence and McCullough felt threatened himself or for his girlfriend’s safety and hit the guy once or so then that’s a different story. There are a lot of instances where the initial aggressor becomes the victim though. It is all about “reasonable” force to address the threat. You can never use deadly/serious bodily force to defend property.

I see a lot of charges like this reduced to misdemeanors or retired with good behavior. This may be more about the victim getting restitution to pay for medical bills. Tennessee also offers judicial diversion which allows a defendant to conditionally plea to the charge then after completing the conditions and probation the charge can be dismissed and expunged.

I would imagine as a defense attorney you would be happy that Jaylon didn’t talk to the police?

 

[sona]

If this guy was drunk enough to go into the wrong apartment, I’d say he’s drunk enough to fall down the stairs trying to run away.

Yeah, but his own girlfriend calling him back to the scene and him showing up with his bloody hand in bandages probably won't help his case.

 

[Creeker]

30 feet, that's not a lot. That's 10 yards. That's about 12 steps. That's about 6 seconds.

You were responding as if he chased the dude all the way down the street just to hit him.

Six seconds is still potentially "fight or flight" reaction timing.

I know nothing about the case, and am neither defending nor condemning the lad. I just don't think 30 feet is much distance at all, when someone invades your privacy and you're in reaction mode.

I’m not responding like he chased the dude down the street at all. Legally, if the dude opened the door said oops sorry and casually walked away no one is giving you the benefit of the doubt on 30 feet and six seconds to come out of your house and follow him. However, it seems at some point they had at least a verbal interaction, what occurred during that time is going to make all the difference.

 

[cobbwebb0710]

we have this all wrong.

Drunk man walks into the wrong apartment in the wrong building. Jaylen sees he is intoxicated and tries to help him find the right apartment.

Jaylen is helping said person down some stairs when the individual slips and falls down the stairs, taking Jaylen with him. Jaylen tries to stop the fall and ends up hitting his hand against the wall and steps—causing extraordinary bleeding and the other individual glacé plants on the fall and knocks out teeth and/or breaks jaw.

Jaylen tells guy to hang on a second and he will go back to get his phone to call for help. Jaylen’s gf comes to assist and Jaylen comes back to the police and the false story.

Legit. Let’s roll with it!

 

[Rocky Top T]

Bye! Our safety play has been bad for 4 years.

 

[KeyVol14]

So who takes his spot if he’s out this week?

 

[cobbwebb0710]

Look, I can’t even pretend to know the details of this situation, but if it was just some guy getting his drunk @$$ whooped by a Tennessee football player, well... happens.
If he were busted with drugs, robbing someone or hitting on his bae, we would have an issue.
Jesus people, how many guys do you think Doug Atkins probably hit in the mouth back in the day?
It’s college, it’s alcohol, it’s testosterone and it’s survival of the fittest and the fittest just so happened to win this one.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Pronouns?

Hope not. If so then JM is really screwed

 

[sjt18]

Bye! Our safety play has been bad for 4 years.

Well, that's stupid. Would it matter if you thought safety play had been great? This is a bad situation for a VOL and the program.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I’m not responding like he chased the dude down the street at all. Legally, if the dude opened the door said oops sorry and casually walked away no one is giving you the benefit of the doubt on 30 feet and six seconds to come out of your house and follow him. However, it seems at some point they had at least a verbal interaction, what occurred during that time is going to make all the difference.

Reasonable people will. Because reasonable people know how adrenaline spikes work.

You get surprised, and almost immediately adrenaline hits your blood stream. Your eyes dilate and your ability to focus goes way up (paradoxically, at the same time some people experience lightheadedness). Your heart rate and blood pressure shoot up, Oxygen supply to the brain cranks way up. You begin rapid, shallow breathing. Stored glucose is pumped into your blood for quick energy. You may get tunnel vision, focused entirely on the thing that scared or surprised you.

And this lasts a while. Certainly longer than 6 seconds. Then it starts tapering off, but generally doesn't fade away entirely for about 20-30 minutes.

Six seconds is no time at all, in fight-or-flight terms. So of course reasonable people are going to weigh the shock and surprise into a person's reaction in the first six seconds.

p.s. If someone else were in the home with the lad, say a girlfriend or roommate, a protector's instinct may also have kicked in. Think mama bear or Michael Oher in The Blind Side.

 

[Lurker]

Like I said, nothing ever good comes from talking to the police.

Best general advice to any criminally accused person is "close your mouth." However, while I understand your point, it is an overstatement and is dependent on circumstances. Staying silent when a injured drunk is accusing you of an assault may be wise in the long run, but it almost assures that you're going to be arrested right now.

 

[sgtwebb1]

As a fellow suffering Steelers fan,
“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked. “Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually, then suddenly.”

Not Cowher to Tomlin but Hemingway in “The Sun Also Rises” but describes Steelers

One of my favorite books--and movies--from the late great Hemingway.
I can see Errol Flynn saying that line, perfect fit for the part of Mike.
Bravo.

 

[Lurker]

Not concerned with conviction.

I'm concerned with what kind of program the TN Vols under Josh Heupel run.

If we're FL with Urban Meyer, fine..... own it. I'm not okay with it, but own it.

Oh come on. NOTHING I have read so far indicates that this kid looked for trouble. In fact, based on the limited facts described in this thread, trouble actually sought him out while he was literally at home and not roaming the street and not getting crazy at a bar, etc. All of us should be "concerned with conviction" or, in other words, the "truth." The program is on sound footing and will take care of itself. Whatever else is true, your suggestion that these facts describe a kid acting like a Florida outlaw is way out of bounds and over the top.

 

[CNCVol88]

Oh come on. NOTHING I have read so far indicates that this kid looked for trouble. In fact, based on the limited facts described in this thread, trouble actually sought him out while he was literally at home and not roaming the street and not getting crazy at a bar, etc. All of us should be "concerned with conviction" or, in other words, the "truth." The program is on sound footing and will take care of itself. Whatever else is true, your suggestion that these facts describe a kid acting like a Florida outlaw is way out of bounds and over the top.

I hate this "Shouldn't have put himself in the situation" nonsense. Dude was in his apt. His domain. He was intruded on and we don't know what happened between that and Jalen's gf helping the guy come to. We have a biased account from the alleged victim but that's it.

 

[Creeker]

Reasonable people will. Because reasonable people know how adrenaline spikes work.

You get surprised, and almost immediately adrenaline hits your blood stream. Your eyes dilate and your ability to focus goes way up (paradoxically, at the same time some people experience lightheadedness). Your heart rate and blood pressure shoot up, Oxygen supply to the brain cranks way up. You begin rapid, shallow breathing. Stored glucose is pumped into your blood for quick energy. You may get tunnel vision, focused entirely on the thing that scared or surprised you.

And this lasts a while. Certainly longer than 6 seconds. Then it starts tapering off, but generally doesn't fade away entirely for about 20-30 minutes.

Six seconds is no time at all, in fight-or-flight terms. So of course reasonable people are going to weigh the shock and surprise into a person's reaction in the first six seconds.

p.s. If someone else were in the home with the lad, say a girlfriend or roommate, a protector's instinct may also have kicked in. Think mama bear or Michael Oher in The Blind Side.

I agree with everything you said, but I think you’re giving what a jury for example would know and take into account way to much credit. Guy makes a mistake, apologizes, walks always, is unarmed, someone follows him, punches him and causes him to fall down a flight of stairs. People are going to find the guy throwing the punch guilty. Also, it said they exchanged words. So it wouldn’t of been an immediate come after you and swing cause I’m scared. Best case scenario for JM is the charges are reduced or dropped completely or something more comes out about the exchange they had.

 

[bpalmer28]

30 feet, that's not a lot. That's 10 yards. That's about 12 steps. That's about 6 seconds.

You were responding as if he chased the dude all the way down the street just to hit him.

Six seconds is still potentially "fight or flight" reaction timing.

I know nothing about the case, and am neither defending nor condemning the lad. I just don't think 30 feet is much distance at all, when someone invades your privacy and you're in reaction mode.

So Jaylen’s 40 time is about 24 seconds. No wonder Florida shredded our defense.

 

[vol81]

I would imagine as a defense attorney you would be happy that Jaylon didn’t talk to the police?

Yes. And you can bet he talked to "someone" that gave him that advice before going back to the scene.
Look for Gregory Isaacs or Don Bosch to release a statement on Tank's behalf today or tomorrow.
The other half of the story will make everything make more sense.