Jaylen McCollough arrested

[volbound1700]

Yeah, a dog as the sympathy card I have an attack cat I don’t care what’s legal or not, and I’m definitely not having a convo about their intentions lolI’m a little five foot tall woman and I’m protecting me and my kids and I’ll deal with the consequences later

Don't get me wrong, the trend is moving towards any type of violent action getting you into some kind of legal trouble but the heat you will take for a dog attacking a intruder versus shooting the intruder is a lot less.

 

[joevols89]

We do not know what all that man did.

I’m not talking about the situation with JM.

 

[VAVol85]

Agreed, following him was a bad idea and puts JM at a disadvantage legally. However, it also says words were exchanged what happened between their interaction and the punch and how it happened is going to be important. If there’s no witness or video evidence it could just be a wash.

JM declining to make a statement may have put him at a disadvantage initially but could help him once he gets an attorney and they begin to sort things out.

 

[LadyVolette]

Don't get me wrong, the trend is moving towards any type of violent action getting you into some kind of legal trouble but the heat you will take for a dog attacking a intruder versus shooting the intruder is a lot less.

That’s not fair imo, I can’t kick anybody’s ass I should be able to at least shoot a knee or two

 

[VFL-82-JP]

That’s fine. That’s a bit different than the alleged situation here.

No, it actually isn't. It seems to be a very close analog to what little we know here.

Drunk dude walks into McCollough's home unannounced, McCollough probably jumps up and starts shouting, like "WTF" and "get out of here!" and chases the dude down. Dude is probably mumbling some kind of "crap, sorry, sorry," but McCollough likely doesn't hear because he's shouting and on an adrenaline spike. Dude gets about 12 quick steps from the door, to the stairwell on the other side of the entry foyer, when McCollough barrels into him, hits him in the face once, and knocks him down the stairs.

That is entirely analogous to what I described.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

That’s not fair imo, I can’t kick anybody’s ass I should be able to at least shoot a knee or two

And you can.

You can.

In Tennessee, outside of Nashville city limits, you'll be fine if you were just defending yourself and your family.

 

[CaliVol2009]

He was arrested because he wouldn’t answer the cops questions as per the ESPN article; well and his hand was bandaged up. Smart kid. Innocent until proven guilty. Given the circumstances- I support him…for now.

Yep, very smart. Don’t say anything to the police without attorney present.

 

[joevols89]

No, it actually isn't. It seems to be a very close analog to what little we know here.

Drunk dude walks into McCollough's home unannounced, McCollough probably jumps up and starts shouting, like "WTF" and "get out of here!" and chases the dude down. Dude is probably mumbling some kind of "crap, sorry, sorry," but McCollough likely doesn't hear because he's shouting and on an adrenaline spike. Dude gets about 12 quick steps from the door, to the stairwell on the other side of the entry foyer, when McCollough barrels into him, hits him in the face once, and knocks him down the stairs.

That is entirely analogous to what I described.

Lol ok whatever you say.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

It’s easy for me to de escalate as a 60 year old. Was a whole different ballgame when I was a 20 year old college athlete. Let a drunk come into my house and call me a dick today and I’m not promising no violence.

Yes, but “keeping it real” has a price. He may be right yet no longer be able to play for us.

 

[top5vols]

Aggravated, because he fell down the stairs?

 

[vols 30]

Yes, but “keeping it real” has a price. He may be right yet no longer be able to play for us.

This is probably the outcome. At least miss a few games.

 

[GhostVol]

Yes, he threatened McCollough by invading his home. That is a real threat. Don't expect the victim to read the invader's mind to figure out he didn't mean it. The threat is in the invasion itself.

Agreed.... however....

Dude comes into my home unannounced, I'm gonna take him down. Even if he starts walking away, I'm taking him down because maybe he's going back to his car for a weapon, or waiting for a friend to join him. I have no idea what he's doing, only know he just invaded my home and put my family at risk.

Here's where you (and McCullough) lose me....

You could, y'know, just could, lock the door behind the fool who just accidentally opened your door and call the cops if you think he's going for a weapon. Maybe NOT go the Kelly Bundy route? You know.... swift and blinding violence?

Why is so much of our society today predicated on responding to actual mistakes with violence? And glorifying it???

Now, he can absolutely outrun me and get away unscathed. I'm over 60 years old, lol. But if I catch up to him anywhere close to my home, he's going down.

And you, like McCullough, will be arrested and charged (as you should be). Then spend the next however long part of your life defending yourself in court, have it hanging over your head for the rest of your life, and maybe, just maybe, put any chance of earning the privilege to play a game for outrageous sums of money at risk and never having to worry about where your next meal is coming from (both literally and figuratively) ever again.

But.... you do you m'dude.... You do you.

 

[joevols89]

Aggravated, because he fell down the stairs?

Probably. If the story is he punched him in the face and knocked him down the stairs. Lucky he didn’t get hurt worse if that’s what happened.

 

[top5vols]

Probably. If the story is he punched him in the face and knocked him down the stairs. Lucky he didn’t get hurt worse if that’s what happened.

This will be reduced to simple assault, a misdemeanor.

 

[paulyvolnuts]

JM declining to make a statement may have

 

[VolDaddy61]

Yeah like Aj Johnson and others ? Our coaches will do what is necessary. Volnation already has him dismissed and guilty before anything comes out.

So you're saying we should wait for all the facts to come to light, and let the professionals do their jobs before I look like a dumb@$$ in the comments ?

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

Agreed.... however....



Here's where you (and McCullough) lose me....

You could, y'know, just could, lock the door behind the fool who just accidentally opened your door and call the cops if you think he's going for a weapon. Maybe NOT go the Kelly Bundy route? You know.... swift and blinding violence?

Why is so much of our society today predicated on responding to actual mistakes with violence? And glorifying it???



And you, like McCullough, will be arrested and charged (as you should be). Then spend the next however long part of your life defending yourself in court, have it hanging over your head for the rest of your life, and maybe, just maybe, put any chance of earning the privilege to play a game for outrageous sums of money at risk and never having to worry about where your next meal is coming from (both literally and figuratively) ever again.

But.... you do you m'dude.... You do you.

An underrated option is the keep the door locked and call the police ON HIM if he comes back ready to rumble. No punches or risk of jail time.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Lol ok whatever you say.

'lol ok' is your response?

It's not "whatever I say." It's what was reported from the police incident report, from the invader's own testimony.

We don't know what happened in any detail. But from the bare bones we do know, it is entirely analogous to a situation you said "that's fine" about:

• A invades B's home;
• B chases A about 30 feet and takes A down (without a gun, I feel compelled to mention to you) probably within 5-10 seconds of the initial shock and surprise;
• some words are exchanged during that short period of time;
• B lets A go after it is clear the threat has been neutralized, after apparently hitting him once with a fist and possibly knocking him down the adjacent stairs.

Those are the bare bones. Those are the only things we know. Sounds very likely to be a split-second self-defense case, to me.

 

[joevols89]

lol ok is your response?

It's not "whatever I say." It's what was reported from the police incident report, from the invader's own testimony.

We don't know what happened in any detail. But from the bare bones we do know, it is entirely analogous to a situation you said "that's fine" about:

• A invades B's home;
• B chases A about 30 feet and takes A down (without a gun, I feel compelled to mention to you) probably within 5-10 seconds of the initial shock and surprise;
• some words are exchanged during that short period of time;
• B lets A go after it is clear the threat has been neutralized, after apparently hitting him once with a fist and possibly knocking him down the adjacent stairs.

Those are the bare bones. Those are the only things we know. Sounds very likely to be a split-second self-defense case, to me.

If you say so.

 

[top5vols]

Majority of misdemeanors result in probation and expunged record.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Why is so much of our society today predicated on responding to actual mistakes with violence? And glorifying it???

...

But.... you do you m'dude.... You do you.

I certainly will.

Not for glory, but for the protection of my family and my home. Pity your family doesn't seem to have the same kind of protection, on the off chance it is ever needed.


p.s. Oh, and:

Here's where you (and McCullough) lose me....

You could, y'know, just could, lock the door behind the fool who just accidentally opened your door and call the cops if you think he's going for a weapon. Maybe NOT go the Kelly Bundy route? You know.... swift and blinding violence?

If the dude IS going back to his car for a gun, you think a locked door is going to stop the lead from flying through the house where I and my family would be cowering, waiting for a police response that is 10 minutes away?

Far safer for all concerned to take the dude down while he's unarmed and low-threat, assess the situation, and go from there.

But you do you, m'dude.

 

[sjt18]

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Here's where you (and McCullough) lose me....

You could, y'know, just could, lock the door behind the fool who just accidentally opened your door and call the cops if you think he's going for a weapon.

So at what point do you stop making a potential victim responsible for what the potential offender did? He had no idea what the guy was up to.... other than what the guy may have said which we don't know yet. Like so many other cases... Lots of folks like you are looking for ways to go past the facts we have.

Maybe NOT go the Kelly Bundy route? You know.... swift and blinding violence?

I'm going to say I'm around 99% certain that the guy didn't just go in the wrong door, say, "Oh crap, I'm sorry", then leave. If that's the case then JM is in for a bad deal. Football is the least of his worries.

However, that doesn't seem very likely. What he said, did, and even said he did... matters.

Why is so much of our society today predicated on responding to actual mistakes with violence? And glorifying it???

Why are so many like you intent on convicting someone without knowing all the facts first? Even if it was an "actual mistake"... what the guy did before and after the "mistake" matters a lot when it comes to JM's culpability.

And you, like McCullough, will be arrested and charged (as you should be). Then spend the next however long part of your life defending yourself in court, have it hanging over your head for the rest of your life, and maybe, just maybe, put any chance of earning the privilege to play a game for outrageous sums of money at risk and never having to worry about where your next meal is coming from (both literally and figuratively) ever again.

But.... you do you m'dude.... You do you.

So you have all the info and have already convicted McCullough? No. You don't. You have one side and some media spin. That's what you have. And you want to lecture someone else about what's right in this instance?

 

[DynaLo]

Makes it easier to get a plea deal to a lesser offense if they trump the charges up on the front end. Definitely a common tactic used in our Justice System.

Cops show up, on scene visual evidence supports the criteria needed for the aggravated charges and Jaylen smartly keeps his mouth shut until represented so of course that’s what he gets booked on.

 

[sjt18]

An underrated option is the keep the door locked and call the police ON HIM if he comes back ready to rumble. No punches or risk of jail time.

Or the drunk guy who came in could have not been drunk and wandered into someone else's place... then possibly do more after.

JM maybe could have kept his cool but we haven't heard his side or why he felt like he had to pursue the guy. Did something happen before? Did something happen after he went back out? Had the guy already went in other wrong doors "by mistake" and cause problems?

Best thing folks can do is stop trying to draw conclusions based on a one sided account.

 

[VolsFan-TX]

My husband always told me if you let them see the gun you’d better use it, and pull their a$$ in the house if you have to

I have taught my kids the same thing. Frequently mentioned at the gun range to my family, “Never pull a gun on someone unless you are willing to and intend to kill the person.”