Jaylen McCollough arrested

[joevols89]

Or the drunk guy who came in could have not been drunk and wandered into someone else's place... then possibly do more after.

JM maybe could have kept his cool but we haven't heard his side or why he felt like he had to pursue the guy. Did something happen before? Did something happen after he went back out? Had the guy already went in other wrong doors "by mistake" and cause problems?

Best thing folks can do is stop trying to draw conclusions based on a one sided account.

The reality is we probably never hear JM’s side of the story. Either the charges get dropped or he pleads out to a lesser charge so this is probably all we are going to get. It won’t go to trial.

 

[LadyVolette]

An underrated option is the keep the door locked and call the police ON HIM if he comes back ready to rumble. No punches or risk of jail time.

We weren’t there.. we don’t know what happened lol.. dude could’ve stuck his foot in the door, blocked him, etc.. or maybe he just kicked his butt.. we don’t know anything

 

[VFL-82-JP]

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[LadyVolette]

I have taught my kids the same thing. Frequently mentioned at the gun range to my family, “Never pull a gun on someone unless you are willing to and intend to kill the person.”

Exactly, they could come get it away from you very easily and shoot you with it if they get close enough

 

[sjt18]

The reality is we probably never hear JM’s side of the story. Either the charges get dropped or he pleads out to a lesser charge so this is probably all we are going to get. It won’t go to trial.

Maybe but I think some of that comes down to how hard the other party pushes it, right? That may be a good way to tell if it was as "clean cut" as some seem to believe.

 

[nashvillepanther]

Should take you a Zion Spencer from Knoxville. Doubtful there are too many Zion Spencer's that live in Knoxville, but I could be wrong.

 

[joevols89]

FWIW - I think this is the guys facebook

I would take this down tbh. Don’t need crazies messing with him.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I have taught my kids the same thing. Frequently mentioned at the gun range to my family, “Never pull a gun on someone unless you are willing to and intend to kill the person.”

See, I actually don't agree with the "intend" bit of that homespun/Justified wisdom.

You should certainly be WILLING to use the weapon if you draw it. But you don't need to have the INTENT to kill the other guy. Sometimes brandishing a weapon is a remarkable deterrent all on its own.

Yes, Raylan Jennings looked awesome when he said he never drew his weapon unless he intended to use it. Looked great. Go Hollywood. But he was remarkable for his quick-draw ability and his marksmanship. He could afford to hold off until the very last second.

And he was fictional.

Those are not necessarily words to live by in the real world.

 

[nashvillepanther]

I would take this down tbh. Don’t need crazies messing with him.

I think it is important for the wider discussion to know who this guy is. It is not confirmed this is him either. But the race narratives fall flat if so.

Also, Zion Spencer is more than welcome to delete his social media. Anything on the internet is fair game. Everyone is an adult here.

This guy is making a serious accusation with the hope people believe him. It has to stand up to scrutiny.

 

[joevols89]

I think it is important for the wider discussion to know who this guy is. It is not confirmed this is him either. But the race narratives fall flat if so.

Also, Zion Spencer is more than welcome to delete his social media. Anything on the internet is fair game. Everyone is an adult here.

This guy is making a serious accusation with the hope people believe him. It has to stand up to scrutiny.

Ok - there is no race narrative there never was. It was just some random poster making stuff up. No reason to have our fans sending him death threats on FB.

 

[GordonC]

See, I actually don't agree with the "intend" bit of that homespun/Justified wisdom.

You should certainly be WILLING to use the weapon if you draw it. But you don't need to have the INTENT to kill the other guy. Sometimes brandishing a weapon is a remarkable deterrent all on its own.

Yes, Raylan Jennings looked awesome when he said he never drew his weapon unless he intended to use it. Looked great. Go Hollywood. But he was remarkable for his quick-draw ability and his marksmanship. He could afford to hold off until the very last second.

And he was fictional.

Those are not necessarily words to live by in the real world.

Raylan Givens

 

[GhostVol]

So at what point do you stop making a potential victim responsible for what the potential offender did? He had no idea what the guy was up to.... other than what the guy may have said which we don't know yet. Like so many other cases... Lots of folks like you are looking for ways to go past the facts we have.

I'm going to say I'm around 99% certain that the guy didn't just go in the wrong door, say, "Oh crap, I'm sorry", then leave. If that's the case then JM is in for a bad deal. Football is the least of his worries.

However, that doesn't seem very likely. What he said, did, and even said he did... matters.

Why are so many like you intent on convicting someone without knowing all the facts first? Even if it was an "actual mistake"... what the guy did before and after the "mistake" matters a lot when it comes to JM's culpability.


So you have all the info and have already convicted McCullough? No. You don't. You have one side and some media spin. That's what you have. And you want to lecture someone else about what's right in this instance?

Did you miss the part earlier where I said that I had THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPEN to me??

Dude opened the door, started to walk in, realized he had the wrong place (likely when I shouted "WTF are you doing, ***hole!), got a VERY surprised look on his face, and slammed the door when he retreated.

What I didn't do was go after him in any way (seeing as how I had NO idea whether he was armed or not, his mental state, or his state of intoxication). I did make note of where he went afterwards in case I felt it necessary to call law enforcement and LOCKED THE D*** DOOR!

McCullough obviously decided to take a different route and will now have to defend his actions in a court of law. If it's all the same to you I'd rather not have to make my case.... courts and judges are a finicky bunch. There may be some aspect to the law that you're not aware of that'll get you tossed UNDER the jail even if it looks like you were justified in doing whatever you did.

MY way doesn't involve the legal system and the vagaries thereof.... McCullough has now, due to a "tush hog" attitude, placed his immediate (and maybe long-term) future in the hands of a system none of us should trust blindly.

 

[BreatheUT]

They had the story on the local news this morning in Nashville. I'm sure they couldn't wait.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Raylan Givens

Heh, yep. Thanks!

 

[DynaLo]

There are times where I have used my clients demeanor and cooperation to help them, but generally I advise people not to speak with the police. It sounds kind of archaic but police officers are trained to ask pointed and prejudicial questions that can be used to charge someone of a crime. It is almost always better to let your attorney discover the facts and present them to the DA on your behalf.

It does state anything you say CAN be used against you in a court for a reason. I’ve always interpreted that “can” as bet your rear end it will be if we find it useful to our charges against you.

 

[GoVolunteers]

Not the distraction we need for Alabama week. Sooooo frustrating to have a season like this so far and have a player (starter) do this.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Amazing how so many on here are making assumptions about what happened based on 1 party's statement to police...a lot more could have happened in this encounter especially when the other party has not issued a statement. I will reserve judgment until this plays out further.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

30 feet, that's not a lot. That's 10 yards. That's about 12 steps. That's about 6 seconds.

You were responding as if he chased the dude all the way down the street just to hit him.

Six seconds is still potentially "fight or flight" reaction timing.

I know nothing about the case, and am neither defending nor condemning the lad. I just don't think 30 feet is much distance at all, when someone invades your privacy and you're in reaction mode.

If our safety is running 30 feet in 6 seconds, go ahead and kick him off the team...

 

[sjt18]

Did you miss the part earlier where I said that I had THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPEN to me??

Dude opened the door, started to walk in, realized he had the wrong place (likely when I shouted "WTF are you doing, ***hole!), got a VERY surprised look on his face, and slammed the door when he retreated.

Yeah. You ASSUME that the "EXACT SAME THING" happened to you. You have let your TOTALLY biased experience lead to all kinds of unfounded assumptions. It may have NOT been the same at all.

Most of us have had someone walk in the wrong door. That's where it ends if there's no other provocation. So either JM WAS otherwise provoked... or he's just a mindless, reactionary thug who needs to be locked up somewhere, right? Problem is you think you KNOW which without all of the facts.

What I didn't do was go after him in any way (seeing as how I had NO idea whether he was armed or not, his mental state, or his state of intoxication). I did make note of where he went afterwards in case I felt it necessary to call law enforcement and LOCKED THE D*** DOOR!

Good for you superhero. You STILL weren't there when the JM incident occurred.

McCullough obviously decided to take a different route and will now have to defend his actions in a court of law. If it's all the same to you I'd rather not have to make my case.... courts and judges are a finicky bunch. There may be some aspect to the law that you're not aware of that'll get you tossed UNDER the jail even if it looks like you were justified in doing whatever you did.

MY way doesn't involve the legal system and the vagaries thereof.... McCullough has now, due to a "tush hog" attitude, placed his immediate (and maybe long-term) future in the hands of a system none of us should trust blindly.

All that considered... you still do not KNOW that you were faced with the same set of circumstances. Maybe you are a "flight" kind of person who would have retreated in fear regardless of the circumstance. Maybe you're trying to rationalize that "superiority" now? And... you still don't have the facts of this incident.

This isn't a "football" thing for me. The incident itself likely ends JM's career at UT regardless of how it turns out. It turned out that AJ Johnson wasn't guilty of a crime. The accusation still ended his UT career and marred his life.

 

[Manchester Vol]

If we were Vandy, apologies, he would be OK because there are no consequences in Nashville right now. The DA is extremely soft.

 

[volfan1954]

Arrested for aggravated assault. The last time we will see him this year.

Crap

 

[VFL-82-JP]

If our safety is running 30 feet in 6 seconds, go ahead and kick him off the team...

I think the first four to five seconds were probably reacting in shock and disbelief, his eyes bulging out, getting his arm out from around his girlfriend's shoulders, jumping up off the couch, and hopping over the coffee table.

You know, the bits they don't show at the start of most 40 yard dashes.

After that, his acceleration and closing speed were remarkable.

 

[Volfan2012]

What I am understanding is that a guy knocked on his apartment door no answer then he went inside somehow. Then McCullough shows up and starts following this guy and the guy apologizes for what he did but it doesn't end there. Next thing he says punched in the mouthed and knocked down stairs. So then pointed out the McCullough is the guy that punched him and cops arrested him when he wouldn't answer any questions.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

What I am understanding is that a guy knocked on his apartment door no answer then he went inside somehow. Then McCullough shows up and starts following this guy and the guy apologizes for what he did but it doesn't end there. Next thing he says punched in the mouthed and knocked down stairs. So then pointed out the McCullough is the guy that punched him and cops arrested him when he wouldn't answer any questions.

Yeah, now squeeze everything from "a guy" to "down stairs" into about six seconds of time and 30 feet of space (the length of a living room and a dorm foyer), and add in some "what the hell" and "get out of here," and you probably have it. Oh, and McCollough didn't "show up," he was apparently right there in the room that the dude tried to walk into.

It probably all happened very quickly--quicker than you could read the words between "a guy" and "down stairs"--based on the invader's own testimony (that he immediately turned and left, and how long it would take him to go 30 feet).

 

[vol81]

I think it is important for the wider discussion to know who this guy is. It is not confirmed this is him either. But the race narratives fall flat if so.

Also, Zion Spencer is more than welcome to delete his social media. Anything on the internet is fair game. Everyone is an adult here.

This guy is making a serious accusation with the hope people believe him. It has to stand up to scrutiny.

IF that Zion Spencer IS the alleged victim here (and I think he is), Isn't it interesting that the college team he follows is..............the Florida Gators!
Its right there on his facebook page. There is so much more to this story than what is in the police report. Look for a statement to be released at some point today or tomorrow by Tank's counsel (my guess is Gregory Isaacs or Don Bosch).