Jaylen McCollough arrested

[clarencepeabody]

This. Not his gf

I’m talking completely out of turn here, but WHAT IF the story is nowhere close to how it sounds (much like the AJ story). More complex…with side-pieces, third-parties, etc.

The “oh I was drunk and it wasn’t my apartment” story just might not be true at all…

 

[DaddyChad]

You're funny: You claim that the guy who mistakenly walked into the wrong apartment broke the law--but the man who assaulted him should be let off with no charges. I think you've got things backwards, man. A whole lot of unspoken, "hey, he's a football starter and we need him" rationalizing going on in this thread! It's deep.

Admittedly I figured it was just another DA kid that went out and did something stupid. This seems a lot more bizarre. Can we just admit that it’s weird as hell this kid goes into the wrong apartment? Completely apologetic while at the same time telling McCullough not to be a dick?

 

[JO VOL]

say what you want. If you get yourself so intoxicated you go into the wrong apartment. You deserve to be punched in the mouth. Don’t like it. KMA

 

[vol81]

You are wrong. He definitely followed him out of the apartment and sucker punched the kid

And you know this how?
Rickyvol77 inquiring minds want to know how you know that "definitely" is how it went down?
IF the girlfriend supported what you say, it would have been in the report and he would have been suspended today.

 

[DynaLo]

McCullough’s side piece is the one who told the police what happened. She said he punched him down the stairs.

Since you appear to have seen her statement to KPD who’s the other male that was there with her at the bottom of the stairs and has he also made a corroborating statement of the incident?

 

[CNCVol88]

"He certainly could have handled it better." Ya think? He violently assaulted a man who mistakenly entered his apartment and was no way a threat to him. You knew this would bring out all the self-defense types. It's not hard to assess whether somebody is a threat or not or just made a mistake.

There’s a lot of assumption of guilt here. He allegedly did this. We don’t know what actually happened.

 

[DaddyChad]

Proof?

Yeah. I’m not much on calling other posters out but it’s really, really crappy to make that kind of statement if you don’t have definitive proof. And it’s not in the report that was released unless there’s a different one than I’ve seen.

 

[GhostVol]

GhostVol you again are making factual assumptions without having all the facts. Teeth could have been knocked out by the fall down the steps. You are basing everything on what was reported several hours after it happened by:
1. Someone who was intoxicated at 3 pm Sunday afternoon to the point that he did not know which building he just came out of.
2. Someone who was unconscious for a period of time due to a blow to the face, a fall down a flight of stairs, a combination of both, or something else. That in and of itself is cause for memory deficits.
3. Someone who, several hours later, told his "story" to police. If his "story" was supported (corroborated) by other witnesses, the incident/arrest report would have likely said so.
4. Someone who appears to be a Gator fan.
The "victim's" whole story has more holes than a block of swiss cheese. Tank did the correct thing keeping his mouth shut when it was obvious he was going to be arrested. You do not read someone their miranda rights unless they are being arrested. Note the report says he chose not to talk after being given his miranda warning. Him talking would not change him being arrested. It just would have given the police a chance to try get him to incriminate himself. You are naive to think otherwise.

Yeah, you're absolutely right about the fall maybe causing some, if not all of the described damage.... falling down stairs is nasty. I shouldn't have worded it the way I did.

That being said, something about the time frame just isn't adding up.... Drunk dude stumbles into wrong apartment and is forcibly ejected resulting in his falling down a flight of stairs. No one thinks to call the police or even an ambulance for the obviously pretty seriously injured drunk guy? Why? I'd like to think some-d**n-body would have at least done that pretty much immediately...

That pretty much takes care of 1 and 2....

As far as 3, corroboration goes both ways.... If anyone were able to corroborate JM's story it'd likely be in the incident / arrest report, too, so that's a wash. May not have been anyone around TO corroborate ANY story.....

As far as 4 goes if FL fans are willing to get drunk and throw themselves down a flight of stairs, risking any concomitant injury (or death) simply to make a TN player look bad, well..... there's gonna be a LOT of that happening in the future. Kinda takes "faking an injury" to a whole 'nother level, huh? Won't be long til a FL fan "fakes a broken neck" doing it. That'll put a quick stop to it happening again, I'd wager....

Look, I'm not saying JM went out and head-hunted some random drunk guy, punched him in the face, and threw him down a flight of stairs for no reason (obviously drunk dude kinda pushed the first domino by walking into the wrong apt). I'm betting there's blame to be had on both sides and JM is afraid of the consequences for his part in the matter. Otherwise, I'd think things would have gone down in a much different manner and especially so if he's completely blameless here.....

 

[VFL-82-JP]

You're funny: You claim that the guy who mistakenly walked into the wrong apartment broke the law--but the man who assaulted him should be let off with no charges. I think you've got things backwards, man. A whole lot of unspoken, "hey, he's a football starter and we need him" rationalizing going on in this thread! It's deep.

That's a pretty idiotic take.

The guy who invaded the other person's home did break the law. It's called trespass. And he presented a threat to the people inside, whether he intended to or not. His surprise entry WAS the threat.

They can't read his mind. At that point, they don't know why he's there, or what he will do next. Just because he turns away, that doesn't remove the threat. They don't know what that signifies. Is he shielding the drawing of a weapon? Is he signaling accomplices to come join him? Is he checking to be sure there are no witnesses in the foyer?

They can't read his mind.

All they know is, a stranger entered their home, uninvited.

Less than 2 seconds have passed. What do you do?

If it's a protector, they're probably moving to protect the other people in the home and themselves.

How can you not understand this? Are you completely incapable of empathy?

 

[CNCVol88]

Yeah. I’m not much on calling other posters out but it’s really, really crappy to make that kind of statement if you don’t have definitive proof. And it’s not in the report that was released unless there’s a different one than I’ve seen.

Oh I have no qualms calling out BS when it’s this kind of stuff.

 

[keenobserver]

How do you teach "Walk away"?

I've been doing it for years but.... "he / she dissed me!!"

"When keepin' in real goes wrong"
-Dave Chapelle

 

[CincinnatiVols]

"Mistakenly?" You can read minds? Or worse, you chose to believe this guy carte blanche? Nothing to do with a football player, just a citizen minding his own business and being interrupted by a drunk coming in his home. Let a drunk walk into a home with children and start popping off. That's a short expiration date.

I wonder how much of it has to do with just the social acceptance of alcohol in general and blacking out. If the kid was out of his mind on meth or heroine i think it would likely be viewed differently.

 

[sjt18]

How do you teach "Walk away"?

I've been doing it for years but.... "he / she dissed me!!"

When is your canonization?

 

[rjd970]

It’s just remarkable, the whole thing. He wasn’t out doing anything wrong, trouble literally walked in his front door and found him.

To me it’s as simple as none of this would have happened had a drunk guy not walk into his apartment while he was minding his own business hanging out with his girlfriend. Maybe he could have handled it better, I don’t know. But it’s an undeniable fact he wasn’t out looking for trouble or asking for any of this when it happened.

 

[GhostVol]

When is your canonization?

Francis just called.... they're waiving the "miracle, death, and elapsed time" requirements and going straight to sainthood

Keep that in mind in the future when you address me... I'm a stickler for protocol

 

[37620VOL]

So @Rickyvol77 gonna chuck 3 grenades in here and vamoose?

 

[Stonewall83]

Every bit of that may well be true, with one caveat....

I'm pretty sure there was a point during the whole kerfuffle when he could have simply locked the door and gone back to whatever it was he was doing rather than throwing hands with some drunk fool.....

If it turns out said "drunk fool" waltzed in and started being belligerent (as he may well have been, I'd be pretty belligerent if I walked into what I thought was MY apartment and found random people sitting on my couch watching my TV and eating my food) then McCullough was completely in the right to rough dude up and toss him out the door.

But here's the question I can't quite wrap my head around.... Why wouldn't that be the very. first. thing. he told the cops when they got there? I get the whole "clam up, it's the cops" attitude but in the above instance?

If that's what happened (above) I'm telling the cops, the neighbors, calling my position coach and telling him, calling Coach Heupel and telling him, calling my boss (if he has a job outside of school) and telling him / her, calling..... I think you get the point.

Exercising his right to remain silent just seems fishy at best.....

Anything you say CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU….

 

[CNCVol88]

So @Rickyvol77 gonna chuck 3 grenades in here and vamoose?

He’s FOS and he knows it. If such corroboration existed jaylen would already be off the team.

 

[turbovol]

It’s just remarkable, the whole thing. He wasn’t out doing anything wrong, trouble literally walked in his front door and found him.

To me it’s as simple as none of this would have happened had a drunk guy not walk into his apartment while he was minding his own business hanging out with his girlfriend. Maybe he could have handled it better, I don’t know. But it’s an undeniable fact he wasn’t out looking for trouble or asking for any of this when it happened.

Good grief. The guy who mistakenly walked into the apartment wasn't looking for trouble either, was he? Based on what I've read, he apologized. So the easy and obvious reaction would be, "hey, no problem," and then you watch the guy walk out of the door. I'm pretty sure that's what any halfway sensible person would do. But drunk young people tend not to be very sensible sometimes.

 

[My VOLS are huge]

Exercising his right to remain silent just seems fishy at best.....

A person so drunk they cant remember which building or apartment to go in, but can remember every detail of the incident after being knock out, just seems fishy at best.

 

[GhostVol]

Anything you say CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU….

DUN-DUN

 

[Lurker]

I'm not surprised that this player was booked based on the fact of the injury and the weird story. Something obviously happened and the police would have had a strong motivation to place a charge. Actually, I'm more than a little surprised and somewhat concerned that the drunk guy wasn't also booked for trespass. Drunk or not, he had no right to simply enter someone's dwelling - locked or unlocked. I also find it hard to believe the trespasser's story of confusion and instant repentance and retreat. This whole situation smells strange. I'm looking to hear the rest of the story.

 

[top5vols]

With all due respect, it is the way things are. This is basic "Law & Order" stuff. If you are criminally accused, public perception or "looks" to third parties are the last things you should worry about. "Everyone" doesn't need to know your twist on what happened and you can bet that law enforcement is going to try to find evidence to support a charge and a conviction, if possible. It is their job. The only two things that should matter to you are: 1) by law you are presumed innocent until you are proven guilty; and 2) you have a right to remain silent. Ever hear the warning, "anything you say can and will be used against you?" Those words are rock solid true. If you are accused of a crime be respectful to the officers and be silent. Your excuses, explanations, and even non-sensical nervous chatter, can provide the proof needed to convict you.

And by the way, that same ex-President you referenced, when given the recent opportunity to fully explain his situation under oath, he cited the Fifth Amendment and refused to answer questions nearly 500 times in one single deposition. I bet he has pretty experienced lawyers who gave him that advice, despite "bad" looks and "speculation." If this kid committed a crime, it needs to be proven not assumed based on third party reports.

Good points made

 

[Stonewall83]

Yeah, he did the smart thing in not speaking. Given the little that is available, I do not see how a jury convicts on this. This is also not like he went out looking for trouble somewhere. At most, I would think a good lawyer could get this to a low misdemeanor plea.

He certainly could have handled it better but right now, all we have is what the guy who got punched said. Any chance that he may not have been entirely forthcoming and truthful in his testimony?

So I dont think this will ruin him, the question is whether he will stay on the team. No doubt he is unlikely to play this Saturday though.

Agree with every bit of this…..but if there is enough doubt that this is the discussion. Why hold him out?? Over an accusation from someone so drunk he couldn’t find his own place…. I don’t see how any party benefits in treating him guilty at this point.

 

[CNCVol88]

Good grief. The guy who mistakenly walked into the apartment wasn't looking for trouble either, was he? Based on what I've read, he apologized. So the easy and obvious reaction would be, "hey, no problem," and then you watch the guy walk out of the door. I'm pretty sure that's what any halfway sensible person would do. But drunk young people tend not to be very sensible sometimes.

That’s the drunk person’s recollection of events. You read HIS narrative.