JFK assassination expert: Lee Harvey Oswald lone gunman theory is ‘bulls–t’

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landscapingvol said:
Humans are predisposed to be attracted to the possibility that something lies out there that is more exciting than the reasonable explanation but that doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't possible.
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Do you find the "Magic Bullet Theory" to be a "reasonable explanation"? A bullet that went through Kennedy and hit Gov. Connerly's wrist (fracturing bone) and thigh and yet was found in near pristine condition (no deformation) on a Parkland hospital gurney?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Do you find the "Magic Bullet Theory" to be a "reasonable explanation"? A bullet that went through Kennedy and hit Gov. Connerly's wrist (fracturing bone) and thigh and yet was found in near pristine condition (no deformation) on a Parkland hospital gurney?
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There is no way a bullet goes through Kennedy's neck, out his throat, then goes through Connolly's back, out his chest, into his wrist, out his wrist and into his thigh. Then it is found on the hospital gurney where the only deformation of the bullet was a slight deformation on the back of the bullet. The front of the bullet was totally intact and showed no signs of damage. Anyone that believes that is possible is just lying to themselves.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Even still, it would take a lot for me to believe one of these stages reenactments. They can twist and manipulate the data to maintain the narrative.
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...and if you go back to my original response regarding this matter, I said that I saw this show. I found it interesting. I also still believe there were multiple shooters.
 
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@Rasputin_Vol

Ras, very busy these days, and while I can find time to read, it's difficult to find time to reply in detail. But I have a few minutes, so...

- JD Tippett. There are a few credible theories out there, and this is one area where I have not done enough research to have formed an opinion. I do think that his murder is an integral part of the El Grande Mosaic, but I just haven't found the time to mine the information yet. Maybe one day. I agree with you that this plays into the big scheme of things somehow, some way. Here is where the question of "how many Oswalds were there?" really comes into view.

- Minimum of 3 shooters. Two from behind (TSBD and DalTex building), and at least one in front (Grassy Knoll). And there was a CIA "Abort Team" on the ground as well.

- Zapruder film. Altered. No doubt about it.

- I don't think LHO ever fired a shot. Patsy from the word "go".

- James Files. Might have been a shooter, but if he was...with his big mouth...they would have taken him out years ago. In prison, or out. Actually easier on the inside. So while I think he knows some things, I don't think he was there. If he was, it was in a "support role".

- Remember...when JFK was murdered, there was no federal statute for murder. Thus, the investigation should have fallen to Dallas PD and the State of Texas. The Secret Service removed JFK's body from Parkland under threat of violence. Why would they do that? Who had the authority to order them to do that? Answer those two questions, and now you're halfway home.

- Once again...read "Best Evidence".

- Lastly, look up Jacob Hornsberger, and the ARRB. He did some great work, and has a website that includes his work on the ARRB. Eye-opening stuff, and fairly recent by JFK investigation standards. He's still out there, and posting.

From there, RFK, MLK...and then TWA 800. Let me know when you're ready to read a lot.

;)
 
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So, where does everyone fall on who killed JFK? My grandfather was a mega FDR Democrat, but I remember him saying he believed LBJ had something to do with it.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
@Rasputin_Vol

Ras, very busy these days, and while I can find time to read, it's difficult to find time to reply in detail. But I have a few minutes, so...

- JD Tippett. There are a few credible theories out there, and this is one area where I have not done enough research to have formed an opinion. I do think that his murder is an integral part of the El Grande Mosaic, but I just haven't found the time to mine the information yet. Maybe one day. I agree with you that this plays into the big scheme of things somehow, some way. Here is where the question of "how many Oswalds were there?" really comes into view.

- Minimum of 3 shooters. Two from behind (TSBD and DalTex building), and at least one in front (Grassy Knoll). And there was a CIA "Abort Team" on the ground as well.

- Zapruder film. Altered. No doubt about it.

- I don't think LHO ever fired a shot. Patsy from the word "go".

- James Files. Might have been a shooter, but if he was...with his big mouth...they would have taken him out years ago. In prison, or out. Actually easier on the inside. So while I think he knows some things, I don't think he was there. If he was, it was in a "support role".

- Remember...when JFK was murdered, there was no federal statute for murder. Thus, the investigation should have fallen to Dallas PD and the State of Texas. The Secret Service removed JFK's body from Parkland under threat of violence. Why would they do that? Who had the authority to order them to do that? Answer those two questions, and now you're halfway home.

- Once again...read "Best Evidence".

- Lastly, look up Jacob Hornsberger, and the ARRB. He did some great work, and has a website that includes his work on the ARRB. Eye-opening stuff, and fairly recent by JFK investigation standards. He's still out there, and posting.

From there, RFK, MLK...and then TWA 800. Let me know when you're ready to read a lot.

;)
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1. The subject of multiple Oswalds is even too hot for me to even wrap my mind around, and I'm willing to entertain just about anything. But that is one rabbit hole I'm not ready for. New Orleans and Dallas at the same time? One could drive, the other couldn't? One was fluent in Russian and the other not? Riger Craig and several others saying they saw Oswald jump in a station wagon on Elm Street minutes after the shooting while the official story is that he walked away from the TSBD to catch a bus? Also, I'm not sure who that was that went to Mexico City.

2. I'll say again that I'm on the fence with James Files. It's hard to believe he would be alive this long if he was the gunman. But he paints an interesting narrative and he revealed a few details that only an insider would know in his first jailhouse interview in the early 1990s.
Chauncey Holt seems to corroborate the story about getting the fake secret service badges because Holt claims he made them at a printing facility in Los Angeles a few days before and they arrived that morning with Johnny Roselli I believe (Chauncey Holt is a unique character).

3. How many wallets does one man need? There is evidence of at least 3 and possibly up to 5 wallets that Oswald had.

4. I have wondered what kind of info the USSR had on Oswald during his time in Minsk. That seems like another unexplored angle because I'm sure that the KGB had their eyes glued to that guy.
 
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headhunter15 said:
So, where does everyone fall on who killed JFK? My grandfather was a mega FDR Democrat, but I remember him saying he believed LBJ had something to do with it.
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Look up Malcolm "Mac" Wallace and read up on him and his relationship with LBJ.

Also, LBJ was possibly looking at prison time during the summer of 1963 because that is when the Billie Sol Estes story was breaking.
 
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The most convincing account yet of how - and why - the Mob killed JFK: New film by relative of Mafia boss sheds fresh light on the President's assassination nearly 60 years on

As the most notorious boss of the Chicago Mafia since Al Capone, Sam Giancana controlled a criminal empire stretching across America.

He had an army of thugs to call on — but for two days in November 1963, he asked for help from his little brother, Pepe.

He was only a humble, illegal bookie in the Giancana empire, but Sam needed someone to chauffeur him around while the mobsters who usually did so were out of town.

As Pepe later confided to family, those men had gone to Dallas to do a job for Giancana — one that would become a seminal moment of the 20th century.

From conversations overheard at his brother’s mansion in Oak Park outside Chicago, Pepe worked out that their task was to help Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate John F Kennedy, then ensure that Oswald did not live to talk.

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Historic: A smiling John F. Kennedy before he was assassinated on 22 November, 1963 in Dallas

Even more so, given that Jack Ruby, the nightclub owner who surprisingly shot dead Oswald just two days after the assassination, had myriad connections to Organised Crime.

According to Nicholas Celozzi, Ruby was one of three members of a crucial triangle in the Mafia’s JFK operation that also included two Sam Giancana stooges and assassins — Johnny ‘Handsome John’ Roselli and Charles ‘Chucky The Typewriter’ Nicoletti.

New film by relative of Mafia boss sheds fresh light on the President's assassination 60 years on | Daily Mail Online
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
@Rasputin_Vol

Ras, very busy these days, and while I can find time to read, it's difficult to find time to reply in detail. But I have a few minutes, so...

- JD Tippett. There are a few credible theories out there, and this is one area where I have not done enough research to have formed an opinion. I do think that his murder is an integral part of the El Grande Mosaic, but I just haven't found the time to mine the information yet. Maybe one day. I agree with you that this plays into the big scheme of things somehow, some way. Here is where the question of "how many Oswalds were there?" really comes into view.

- Minimum of 3 shooters. Two from behind (TSBD and DalTex building), and at least one in front (Grassy Knoll). And there was a CIA "Abort Team" on the ground as well.

- Zapruder film. Altered. No doubt about it.

- I don't think LHO ever fired a shot. Patsy from the word "go".

- James Files. Might have been a shooter, but if he was...with his big mouth...they would have taken him out years ago. In prison, or out. Actually easier on the inside. So while I think he knows some things, I don't think he was there. If he was, it was in a "support role".

- Remember...when JFK was murdered, there was no federal statute for murder. Thus, the investigation should have fallen to Dallas PD and the State of Texas. The Secret Service removed JFK's body from Parkland under threat of violence. Why would they do that? Who had the authority to order them to do that? Answer those two questions, and now you're halfway home.

- Once again...read "Best Evidence".

- Lastly, look up Jacob Hornsberger, and the ARRB. He did some great work, and has a website that includes his work on the ARRB. Eye-opening stuff, and fairly recent by JFK investigation standards. He's still out there, and posting.

From there, RFK, MLK...and then TWA 800. Let me know when you're ready to read a lot.

;)
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Thanks GW.

Save yall some time...read this by Hornberger here

The Shot that Killed JFK – The Future of Freedom Foundation
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The most convincing account yet of how - and why - the Mob killed JFK: New film by relative of Mafia boss sheds fresh light on the President's assassination nearly 60 years on

As the most notorious boss of the Chicago Mafia since Al Capone, Sam Giancana controlled a criminal empire stretching across America.

He had an army of thugs to call on — but for two days in November 1963, he asked for help from his little brother, Pepe.

He was only a humble, illegal bookie in the Giancana empire, but Sam needed someone to chauffeur him around while the mobsters who usually did so were out of town.

As Pepe later confided to family, those men had gone to Dallas to do a job for Giancana — one that would become a seminal moment of the 20th century.

From conversations overheard at his brother’s mansion in Oak Park outside Chicago, Pepe worked out that their task was to help Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate John F Kennedy, then ensure that Oswald did not live to talk.

60326969-0-image-a-44_1657927108567.jpg

Historic: A smiling John F. Kennedy before he was assassinated on 22 November, 1963 in Dallas

Even more so, given that Jack Ruby, the nightclub owner who surprisingly shot dead Oswald just two days after the assassination, had myriad connections to Organised Crime.

According to Nicholas Celozzi, Ruby was one of three members of a crucial triangle in the Mafia’s JFK operation that also included two Sam Giancana stooges and assassins — Johnny ‘Handsome John’ Roselli and Charles ‘Chucky The Typewriter’ Nicoletti.

New film by relative of Mafia boss sheds fresh light on the President's assassination 60 years on | Daily Mail Online
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Now how do we reconcile these two quotes?

But while it’s hard to actually imagine any part of the U.S. establishment — even the spooks — executing a President, the Mafia sounds entirely feasible.
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The suave, polished and perma-tanned Roselli was the Mob’s man out West, helping the Chicago Mafia (known as The Outfit) operate in Las Vegas and Hollywood. He was friends with Frank Sinatra and Marilyn Monroe and had even ventured into film producing.

In the early 1960s, he had been recruited by the CIA in a plot — authorised by JFK — to assassinate Cuba’s communist leader Fidel Castro with poisoned pills.
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Outside of that, this seems to go along with the accounts I've seen and read about that Nicoletti and Roselli were in the Dal-Tex BLDG, but this story has Roselli as being the shooter and not Nicoletti. But after thinking about it, this may be plausible if he was working with the CIA on Castro assassination attempts and training to be a marksman. Roselli used the pseudonym or was given the pseudonym John "Colonel" Rawlston. Also, Allen Dulles, the CIA Director that was in charge during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, was fired later on by Kennedy because of the debacle. I would say that Dulles was not only involved in recruiting Roselli for the Castro assassination attempt, but likely provided cover for Roselli when Dulles was a member of the Warren Commission.

One other thing, James Files and Chauncy Holt both said that Roselli flew from LA to Dallas early on the morning of the assassination. So this would be problematic if just 2 days before (according to this new story) that both Nicoleti and Roselli were in Chicago discussing the assassination. Is it likely that Roselli left Chicago to LA, and then immediately turned around and flew from LA to Dallas? Also, Nicoleti flew in from either Florida or New Orleans that day before.

I do not buy the story of Tippit and Nicoletti chasing Oswald or whatever they are suggesting in this story. I think two Dallas cops named Pinky Westbrook and Kenneth Kroy were the ones on the scene at 10th and Patton when Tippit was shot. Kenneth Kroy ended up being recognized as being the first cop on the scene immediately after the Tippit shooting and 2 days later, testified to the Warren Commission that he just happened to be standing in front of Jack Ruby in the Basement of the jail moments before Ruby shot Oswald.

Correction: Roselli allegedly came out of Tampa and stopped in New Orleans before flying in to Dallas that morning. Chauncey Holt is who flew in from LA with the fake Secret Service IDs the day before. Nicoletti likely did come in from Chicago. But even still, not sure of this Nicolleti and Roselli meeting 2 days before in Chicago.
 
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lostsheep said:
As the article states, this only supports the argument the CIA was aware of Oswald, not that they had anything to do with the assassination.
I'd recommend conspiracy theorists to read Case Closed by Gerald Posner.
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The fbi has been aware of many people who ended up doing bad things
 
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