JFK assassination expert: Lee Harvey Oswald lone gunman theory is ‘bulls–t’

[Rasputin_Vol]

That may not really matter to a skilled marksman. If he knows his gun and ammo well enough, he can adjust his aim for a gun sighted in at say 300 yards to hit dead on at 80.

One last thing. Do you think a trained assassin would have used that weapon, in that condition for a hit job of this magnitude? A mail order Mannlicher-Carcano? That would have been a reasonable weapon of choice, in your opinion?

 

[Boca Vol]

One last thing. Do you think a trained assassin would have used that weapon, in that condition for a hit job of this magnitude? A mail order Mannlicher-Carcano? That would have been a reasonable weapon of choice, in your opinion?

There was also something odd with the Klein's order and where LHO mailed the envelope and how quickly the order was fulfilled.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There was also something odd with the Klein's order and where LHO mailed the envelope and how quickly the order was fulfilled.

I faintly remember reading or hearing something about where he mailed it or something. Can you explain it to maybe refresh my memory?

 

[KB5252]

There is still one alleged shooter that is still alive as far as I know...

IIRC isn't he the "The Smoking Man" from the X Files?

 

[Boca Vol]

I faintly remember reading or hearing something about where he mailed it or something. Can you explain it to maybe refresh my memory?

IIRC, he mailed it from a post office nowhere near where he lived or worked. The order was fulfilled the next day (I think) which is awfully fast for 1963.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

IIRC isn't he the "The Smoking Man" from the X Files?

Not familiar with this. The guy I'm talking about is James Files. I'm 50/50 on him because he is still alive (as far as I know) and was able to live a long life without much trouble outside of the trouble he brought on himself. But the story he lays out about leading up to that day and everything associated with it is pretty compelling.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

IIRC, he mailed it from a post office nowhere near where he lived or worked. The order was fulfilled the next day (I think) which is awfully fast for 1963.

Yeah, thats right. I'm assuming that he may have used a money order or check. So if he used a personal check, I would assume that they would have needed for that check to clear also? Maybe money order not so much, but possible.

 

[Majors]

The amount of redactions is very telling. Back in those times it was still felt by many to believe what the government was telling them was the truth.

 

[Boca Vol]

Yeah, thats right. I'm assuming that he may have used a money order or check. So if he used a personal check, I would assume that they would have needed for that check to clear also? Maybe money order not so much, but possible.

It was a money order and it was cashed way too quickly, within 24 hours of being mailed from TX.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It was a money order and it was cashed way too quickly, within 24 hours of being mailed from TX.

WOW...

 

[KB5252]

Not familiar with this. The guy I'm talking about is James Files. I'm 50/50 on him because he is still alive (as far as I know) and was able to live a long life without much trouble outside of the trouble he brought on himself. But the story he lays out about leading up to that day and everything associated with it is pretty compelling.

It was a joke. There is an episode of the X Files when the"Smokey Man" character is shown as a younger man and he is the JFK shooter and handler who sets up the fall guy.

 

[Orangeslice13]

World War 1 Rifles and the Mad Minute – Kansas WW1

Prior to WWI, British infantrymen were required to pass a test requiring they get off as many rounds as they could of aimed fire within one minute. They passed if they had fifteen hits on a 300 yard target within that minute, or a hit every four seconds. Again, at 300 yards over iron sights. The record number of hits during the Mad Minute is 36, but as mentioned in the article, there is belief one soldier had 38 hits. That is one hit at 300 yards in less than two seconds with a bolt action rifle, including reloading, over iron sights.

The Lee-Enfield only held 10 rounds. So it would require being reloaded during this test. And in 1914, Britain had five divisions of men who could pass the base test of 15 hits per minute.

Oswald shot at a distance of less than 100 yards with a scope. Yeah, he could get off three aimed shots within six seconds and score the hits. Not saying he did, but that yes, he could have done it.

Big difference between a range, where you’re in the open and movement isn’t restricted and from a fairly tight window through trees on a moving target. There also a big difference between the enfield and the carcano.

I don’t think it’s possible that he acted alone. I also don’t think we will ever know the truth either

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It was a joke. There is an episode of the X Files when the"Smokey Man" character is shown as a younger man and he is the JFK shooter and handler who sets up the fall guy.

Yeah, I didn't look at the X-files when it was on, so my apologies. Now with that said, you mention "Smokey", I assume he must have been a smoker. Well, there was evidence of cigarette butts behind the fencing over by the Grassy Knoll with fresh footprints (it had rained earlier that morning, so it was muddy).

 

[KB5252]

Yeah, I didn't look at the X-files when it was on, so my apologies. Now with that said, you mention "Smokey", I assume he must have been a smoker. Well, there was evidence of cigarette butts behind the fencing over by the Grassy Knoll with fresh footprints (it had rained earlier that morning, so it was muddy).

Eh, everyone smoked then.

 

[GroverCleveland]

One last thing. Do you think a trained assassin would have used that weapon, in that condition for a hit job of this magnitude? A mail order Mannlicher-Carcano? That would have been a reasonable weapon of choice, in your opinion?

I have no idea or opinion on that.

The topic for my original response was it possible for three aimed shots to be fired within six seconds and some commentary leaned towards no it was not. My opinion is yes it certainly is possible with a bolt-action rifle at the range given based on my knowledge of particular aspects of military history and I provided a source.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Big difference between a range, where you’re in the open and movement isn’t restricted and from a fairly tight window through trees on a moving target. There also a big difference between the enfield and the carcano.

I don’t think it’s possible that he acted alone. I also don’t think we will ever know the truth either

Yeah, but getting 15 hits in 60 seconds while reloading with a magazine at least once and more likely twice at 300 yds over open sights has its own set of difficulties. We know LHO was familiar and practiced with the Mannlicher-Carcano.

I've been to Dealey Plaza and he had a fairly open view almost directly behind the President's car. This was not like shooting dove or quail moving across one's front. In this case, the target entered and remained within a relatively tight window during the event. The target was moving, but virtually directly away from LHO. A good shooter at 80 yards with a scope has no problem with this scenario. It could be that the most difficult aspect of the shot is that it was slightly downhill; I do not know never having been put in that situation.

As I said in response to Rasputin, my response is to the sole question of whether a skilled marksman could have done what LHO was said to have done. My answer to this is yes. Whether LHO did it or not, I have no idea. I agree, I am doubtful we will ever know the truth.

 

[Wireless1]

Eh, everyone smoked then.

I didn't... I was 5.....

 

[GroverCleveland]

I didn't... I was 5.....

Me either. I was not quite two.

 

[VolStrom]

I didn't... I was 5.....

I smoked my first cigarette when I was 10 that came out of a WW2 K ration. Good ole 5 cigarette pack of non-filtered Lucky Strikes.

 

[KB5252]

I didn't... I was 5.....

I'm pretty sure a pack of Pall Mall cigarettes was required for kindergarten orientation then.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I've been to Dealey Plaza and he had a fairly open view almost directly behind the President's car. This was not like shooting dove or quail moving across one's front. In this case, the target entered and remained within a relatively tight window during the event. The target was moving, but virtually directly away from LHO. A good shooter at 80 yards with a scope has no problem with this scenario. It could be that the most difficult aspect of the shot is that it was slightly downhill; I do not know never having been put in that situation.

What about the live oak tree?

 

[AM64]

Allen Dulles . That’s my current theory on this subject. LHO was one of several useful idiots staged across several big cities. Oswald drew the short straw.

It's possible; the Dulles brothers were a real piece of work. They staged a mini war/coup in Central America to save their investments in United Fruit Company. Probably the kind of thing that while it saved their investments didn't do much for international relations in the region.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yeah, but getting 15 hits in 60 seconds while reloading with a magazine at least once and more likely twice at 300 yds over open sights has its own set of difficulties. We know LHO was familiar and practiced with the Mannlicher-Carcano.

I've been to Dealey Plaza and he had a fairly open view almost directly behind the President's car. This was not like shooting dove or quail moving across one's front. In this case, the target entered and remained within a relatively tight window during the event. The target was moving, but virtually directly away from LHO. A good shooter at 80 yards with a scope has no problem with this scenario. It could be that the most difficult aspect of the shot is that it was slightly downhill; I do not know never having been put in that situation.

As I said in response to Rasputin, my response is to the sole question of whether a skilled marksman could have done what LHO was said to have done. My answer to this is yes. Whether LHO did it or not, I have no idea. I agree, I am doubtful we will ever know the truth.

Cool
Agree to disagree

 

[landscapingvol]

The only film of the event that we "know" of is the Zapruder film and they have analyzed that film repeatedly. There is no clear evidence that there are more than the shots attributed to LHO on the sound of the film. Could the film have been manipulated? Of course, there is never going to be enough evidence to definitively say one way or the other imho. Humans are predisposed to be attracted to the possibility that something lies out there that is more exciting than the reasonable explanation but that doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't possible. Is it likely that LHO made those shots by himself at that distance from that angle? No, it isn't impossible either and he did have some military training. His motives are the real question imho. They are murky at best as are Jack Ruby's and I think that is what drives the conspiracy theories around his assassination. The motives around his brother's assassination aren't real clear either. I think that is also driving some of the conspiracy theories as well.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I have no idea or opinion on that.

The topic for my original response was it possible for three aimed shots to be fired within six seconds and some commentary leaned towards no it was not. My opinion is yes it certainly is possible with a bolt-action rifle at the range given based on my knowledge of particular aspects of military history and I provided a source.

I would say that there is a distinction to be made between what is possible and what is probable or likely.