Jim Tressel (merged)

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Remy said:
Do any of seriously believe Jim Tressel will be successful on the recruiting trails of Tennessee, Bama, Georgia, North/South Carolina, and Florida? GMAFreakinB!
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Yes...most recruits already know him name and know the reputation of Ohio State over the last decade.
 
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EconVol92 said:
I thought that Tressell had the "show cause" issue at this time. If so do we want to get under that cloud?
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Read the above posts. The "show cause" only affects him. 5 game ban and he can't be involved in some functions and has to submit a report to the NCAA every few months. I personally believe the benefits far outweigh the cons.
 
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bnhunt said:
"Tressel has never been caught for recruiting violations or for throwing money around."

I can't believe it, but I'm actually starting to think Tressel might be the way to go. We don't need him to beat Austin Peay and the other cupcake at beginning of year and General Neyland reincarnate would not help us in Oregon and Florida games. If next year is "year 0" and you are building for the future, then he is arguably the best name out there. Plus, no chance of NCAA trouble with the microscope that would be on him and program.
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that's the logic I have been going with...lose the battle, win the war...
 
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Orange&White said:
Read the above posts. The "show cause" only affects him. 5 game ban and he can't be involved in some functions and has to submit a report to the NCAA every few months. I personally believe the benefits far outweigh the cons.
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I understand that, but do we really want to be under that level of scrutiny?

Jim Tressel – The former head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes, Tressel was forced to resign three months before the start of the 2011 season for lying to the NCAA about student athletes receiving tattoos and cash for signed memorabilia. According to the NCAA, he had four chances to tell the truth and failed to do so. For this, he was given a five-year show-cause penalty (until December 19, 2016).[2]

I don't know I'm just asking.
 
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Batman33 said:
that's the logic I have been going with...lose the battle, win the war...
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Exactly. And after first season the show cause would be a distant memory. Hell, if recruits and parents are concerned all he has to say is that I thought I was doing the right thing helping out my kids, but I was wrong. It's not like he raped someone or was buying players.
 
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bnhunt said:
Exactly. And after first season the show cause would be a distant memory. Hell, if recruits and parents are concerned all he has to say is that I thought I was doing the right thing helping out my kids, but I was wrong. It's not like he raped someone or was buying players.
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It is interesting how some have completely wrote him off. He has formidable credentials that might even scare Saban a little. :)
 
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I've been saying this for a couple of days. He would be a steal. 80%+ Win percentage at a top
10 school. Slap on the wrist the first year. Proven winner at a high profile school. PR experts can handle the image.
 
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tomq_123 said:
I've been saying this for a couple of days. He would be a steal. 80%+ Win percentage at a top
10 school. Slap on the wrist the first year. Proven winner at a high profile school. PR experts can handle the image.
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Not that the PR department seems to be mastering the entire search very well, but I really think this might be the best solution for the next 5-7 years.
 
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Talk about a fanbase that has just about given up. Hire a coach who would not be a part of the team for most of his 1st year on the job? Really? Is that where we are? Just throw away an entire football season next year a week after this one ended? Count me in the group that says HELL NO!
 
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EconVol92 said:
I understand that, but do we really want to be under that level of scrutiny?

Jim Tressel – The former head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes, Tressel was forced to resign three months before the start of the 2011 season for lying to the NCAA about student athletes receiving tattoos and cash for signed memorabilia. According to the NCAA, he had four chances to tell the truth and failed to do so. For this, he was given a five-year show-cause penalty (until December 19, 2016).[2]

I don't know I'm just asking.
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It's been hashed out earlier in this thread...not going over that all over again. There is even the NCAA ruling, linked, so you can read it for yourself. Bottom line is he didn't think a few players trading their own belongings rose to the level of an infraction. He had a lawyer friend mention it a few times, and he decided it was nothing and let it ride.

After a big uproar from Michigan fans, the NCAA looked into it and declared it as an infraction. It amounted to the NCAA making a federal case out of a parking citation (figuratively speaking). Big Whoop. I can deal with it.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
It's been hashed out earlier in this thread...not going over that all over again. There is even the NCAA ruling, linked, so you can read it for yourself. Bottom line is he didn't think a few players trading their own belongings rose to the level of an infraction. He had a lawyer friend mention it a few times, and he decided it was nothing and let it ride.

After a big uproar from Michigan fans, the NCAA looked into it and declared it as an infraction. It amounted to the NCAA making a federal case out of a parking citation. Big Whoop. I can deal with it.
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Based on that, I certainly can live with it. :good!:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Talk about a fanbase that has just about given up. Hire a coach who would not be a part of the team for most of his 1st year on the job? Really? Is that where we are? Just throw away an entire football season next year a week after this one ended? Count me in the group that says HELL NO!
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Dude...at ease with that noise. Look at Indy. Their head coach has been going through Cancer treatments for much of the year. They are doing fine with their interim/Assist HC. Same with the Saints. They are doing fairly well without Payton. That's why you have Assistant Head Coaches in the profession.

If hired, it's VERY likely that UT would get some relief from those penalties on him since he voluntarily accepted the penalties last year after the Colts hired him as an assistant. They probably allow him to hold fall camp and maybe miss the first 2-3 games at the most.

You continue ignoring these important facts and yet keep spewing the same nonsense. :loco:
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Dude...at ease with that noise. Look at Indy. Their head coach has been going through Cancer treatments for much of the year. They are doing fine with their interim/Assist HC. Same with the Saints. They are doing fairly well without Payton. That's why you have Assistant Head Coaches in the profession.

If hired, it's VERY likely that UT would get some relief from those penalties on him since he voluntarily accepted the penalties last year after the Colts hired him as an assistant. They probably allow him to hold fall camp and maybe miss the first 2-3 games at the most.
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Your guessing. You have no damn clue what the NCAA would do to lessen the games or time he must sit out.

My GUESS would be the NCAA would not appreciate a school they just extended the probation for hiring a coach with a show cause.

We could HOPE they did not throw us under the bus and make an example of the 1st school to hire a coach with a current show cause.

Throwing away seasons hiring lame duck coaches(who are not allowed to coach) is not how you unite a fanbase and fill the stadium. Alot of ways to look at it. I see it as pouring gas on the fire.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Dude...at ease with that noise. Look at Indy. Their head coach has been going through Cancer treatments for much of the year. They are doing fine with their interim/Assist HC. Same with the Saints. They are doing fairly well without Payton. That's why you have Assistant Head Coaches in the profession.

If hired, it's VERY likely that UT would get some relief from those penalties on him since he voluntarily accepted the penalties last year after the Colts hired him as an assistant. They probably allow him to hold fall camp and maybe miss the first 2-3 games at the most.

You continue ignoring these important facts and yet keep spewing the same nonsense. :loco:
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Good points! I believe Tressel knows how to hire and supervise an Elite program staff.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Your guessing. My GUESS would be the NCAA would not appreciate a school they just extended the probation for hiring a coach with a show cause.

We could HOPE they did not throw us under the bus and make an example of the 1st school to hire a coach with a current show cause.

Throwing away seasons hiring lame duck coaches(who are not allowed to coach) is not how you unite a fanbase and fill the stadium. Alot of ways to look at it. I see it as pouring gas on the fire.
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It doesn't matter what the NCAA thinks. It's simply a matter of him accepting his penatly and moving on from it. They are not in the business of trying to hold his head underwater after he has done so.

Again, they handed him certain penalties that follow him no matter where he might land. As long as he and a new team apply/accept the penalties he incurred, there is nothing else to it.

You keep trying to imply that just hiring him will incur this mystical wrath and have NCAA spies camped all around the campus, looking to pounce on the slightest infraction. :crazy: You're looking as silly as VolReporter.

Also, as far as him accepting the penalty when he was hired by the Colts, that is REAL money he forfeited. He didn't do it for ****z and giggles. He took his punishment already, and when he is hired by a team in college, it is very likely that the NCAA will take note of that and reduce much of his show cause penalty.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
It doesn't matter what the NCAA thinks. Again, they handed him certain penalties that follow him no matter where he might land. As long as he and a new team apply/accept the penalties he incurred, there is nothing else to it.

You keep trying to imply that just hiring him will incur this mystical wrath and have NCAA spies camped all around the campus, looking to pounce on the slightest infraction. You're looking as silly as VolReporter.

Also, as far as him accepting the penalty when he was hired by the Colts, that is REAL money he forfeited. He didn't do it for ****z and giggles. He took his punishment already, and when he is hired by a team in college, it is very likely that the NCAA will take note of that and reduce much of his show cause penalty.
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Was it confirmed via the NCAA they would accept him sitting out NFL games to serve as his NCAA punishment? Exactly, you have no idea. Your guessing as usual. The NFL has nothing to do with the NCAA.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Was it confirmed via the NCAA they would accept him sitting out NFL games to serve as his NCAA punishment? Exactly, you have no idea. Your guessing as usual. The NFL has nothing to do with the NCAA.
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Did he just forgo all that pay/work for shlitz and giggles? I'm not counting on the NCAA accepting it, but it's very likely that his good faith gesture to accept their penalties would result in some relief. Either way, it's still a small price to pay. You and your NCAA Boogie Man. :crazy:

Like they are looking to hammer a program that hires a coach with a show cause. Sheer stupidity. :loco: How is an institution that enforces ethics, going to justify unethical behavior, trying to hammer a coach or program after accepting the penalties they require? You got to be a special kind of stupid to believe that.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Did he just forgo all that pay/work for ****z and giggles? I'm not counting on the NCAA accepting it, but it's very likely that his good faith gesture to accept their penalties would result in some relief. Either way, it's still a small price to pay. You and your NCAA Boogie Man. :crazy:

Like they are looking to hammer a program that hires a coach with a show cause. Sheer stupidity. :loco:
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Seeing that NO school has EVER hired a coach with an active show cause speaks to you obviously having figured out something no AD or school is history has. You the man!! :eek:lol:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Seeing that NO school has EVER hired a coach with an active show cause speaks to you obviously having figured out something no AD or school is history has. You the man!! :eek:lol:
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Show causes are rare, and this is the lightest penalty applied to one, so what the funk do you know? :loco:
 
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Okay, so if I understand it right, if we hire Tressel, he has to miss the first 5 games, and the bowl game.

Well...let's be real.

Austin Peay
Western Kentucky
South Alabama are most likely wins with a competent coach, even if he is a coordinator.

Oregon and Florida are most likely losses with a competent coach, even if he is a coordinator.

Most likely, we'd go 3-2 through the first five games anyways.

And IF we made it to a bowl, well shoot, I'd be glad to just make it to one. If he couldn't coach it, well, okay. But at least we would have made it to one.

I just don't see the harm in hiring him honestly.

He made a mistake. But it was nowhere near to what others have done. I mean, Ohio State got hammered for it, and he was fired. But yet, they're not blaming him for it. In fact, they HONORED him last week at halftime. Why would you honor a coach you despise? And why would you not despise a coach unless you don't hold him as guilty as others do?

I am not necessarily advocating him. I know the knocks against him. Hasn't beat an SEC team. But he has a little experience at winning, and he's out there.

Just wondering if we're making too big of a big deal out of the show cause.
 
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