Jim Tressel (merged)

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#602
The whole deal with Bruce was ridiculous. I could see him getting in trouble for paying his players but, lying about a BBQ to the NCAA? So what? People lie everyday. The NCAA need to get over themselves. I said in a previous post that I was pissed for months about it because I thought Bruce Pearl was a hell of a coach. Sorry for getting off topic. I'm still pissed really. I felt like we could've been a really good basketball team for years to come. I swear we have the worst luck. Will we ever see the light at the end of the tunnel?
 
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#603
Hiring a coach under a show cause order means the following:

(1) an appearance before the NCAA to discuss why they should be allowed to hire him and how they will monitor him to ensure that he does not misbehave again;
(2) additional sanctions might be leveled against the program for hiring him;
(3) the program has to submit additional reports to the NCAA every six months while the order is in effect;
(4) any new penalties incurred while the coach is employed at a given school may result in additional, meaning more severe penalties. (This is especially significant given the NCAA's new guidelines holding the HC accountable for the actions of his/her staff.);
(5) any penalties assigned to the individual carry over to his new position (including the five games/bowl ban for Tressel).

If we only had to worry about (5), it wouldn't be that bad. But given the fact that UT is on probation, do you really want to give the NCAA reason to snoop around campus even more than usual, looking for additional severe punishments to drop on us? I think Coach Tressel would be an excellent choice under most circumstances, but here it would be an unwelcome cloud hanging over us.
 
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If not for the NCAA (over reaching) baggage, i would love to have the guy.

No one but us has to like our coach anyway.
 
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Why do people assume that Petrino, who has been described as an excellent coach that "lies like it's his second language", will be honest and faithful this time despite his past history to the contrary? Don't ask the win-at-all-costs fans, but ask the university administrators at Arky or Louisville whether they would hire him again. For the record, I'd bet that SOMEONE will weaken and hire him again. May God have mercy on their souls.
 
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globadoc said:
Why do people assume that Petrino, who has been described as an excellent coach that "lies like it's his second language", will be honest and faithful this time despite his past history to the contrary? Don't ask the win-at-all-costs fans, but ask the university administrators at Arky or Louisville whether they would hire him again. For the record, I'd bet that SOMEONE will weaken and hire him again. May God have mercy on their souls.
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Yea, ask Arky what they think. He would be back in a second.
Wins=fans
Fans=money
Money= a happy AD and University
 
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Id take Tressel. He'd miss the first 5 games at most which is just basically Oregon and UF (I think) and a bowl game. If we even went to a bowl game it would be improvement. He has won a bunch at both college levels and knows how to coach. Looking at the long term picture hes the better choice. At least wed have a proven coach so even if we did suck we would know the reason.
 
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TN_Vol_Fo_Life said:
Petrino is a snake. Arkansas is in shambles. He left ATL in shambles. He left Louisville in shambles. Pass. Zero integrity and cares zero about defense.
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He left for better job offers, and he was getting them because he was a great coach. I don't care if this guy robbed little old ladies for pocket change, we can contract ourselves out of trouble. Plus maybe he has changed, or not, I don't care. We are hiring a coach to win ballgames.
 
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chumleypm said:
Yea, ask Arky what they think. He would be back in a second.
Wins=fans
Fans=money
Money= a happy AD and University
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But...they have an opening and he's not being considered. Thus, I am at least 99% sure that you are wrong. (1% withheld because stranger things have happened!)
 
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globadoc said:
But...they have an opening and he's not being considered. Thus, I am at least 99% sure that you are wrong. (1% withheld because stranger things have happened!)
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I think there are other things considered in firing a coach and then hiring them a year later.
I will say I am 100% sure, if they could get away with it without media scrutiny, Petrino is rehired at Arky.
 
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chumleypm said:
What does that have to do with winning football games?
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It has absolutely nothing to do with winning football games. Look at his track record dude. Louisville, Atlanta, Arkansas. I don't hate the guy. I think he's a great coach. We need stability with our next hire and I don't think Patrino will give us that.
 
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globadoc said:
Why do people assume that Petrino, who has been described as an excellent coach that "lies like it's his second language", will be honest and faithful this time despite his past history to the contrary? Don't ask the win-at-all-costs fans, but ask the university administrators at Arky or Louisville whether they would hire him again. For the record, I'd bet that SOMEONE will weaken and hire him again. May God have mercy on their souls.
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Hart lies

Guess it just matters who one lies to...
 
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chumleypm said:
I think there are other things considered in firing a coach and then hiring them a year later.
I will say I am 100% sure, if they could get away with it without media scrutiny, Petrino is rehired at Arky.
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(If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were one of my business partners who would love to see Petrino from a fan perspective even though he really knows better.)

In his case, university policies and legal concerns certainly trump media scrutiny. His last actions in hiring his mistress in the athletic department (not the affair itself -- who cares about that) put the university at risk of an expensive and embarrasing Gloria Allred-esque lawsuit. To hell with wins and losses, he could have cost the university a year's athletic profits or more. Any university president will look at that and have a catatonic fit at the thought of bringing him in. Even if you don't expect him to have another affair or to hire another mistress, the fact that he was so willing to expose the university to such damage to its finances and reputation is and should be a major, major sticking point to any administrator. We all know that Jimmy Cheek won't ever go along with that hire!. Frankly, it will probably be a concern for NFL franchises as well.

As I said, somebody will hire him as a coach, if not this year, then next year or the next. They will win games, sell tickets, etc. And then Petrino will be Petrino, and something wicked their way comes....
 
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globadoc said:
Hiring a coach under a show cause order means the following:

(1) an appearance before the NCAA to discuss why they should be allowed to hire him and how they will monitor him to ensure that he does not misbehave again;
(2) additional sanctions might be leveled against the program for hiring him;
(3) the program has to submit additional reports to the NCAA every six months while the order is in effect;
(4) any new penalties incurred while the coach is employed at a given school may result in additional, meaning more severe penalties. (This is especially significant given the NCAA's new guidelines holding the HC accountable for the actions of his/her staff.);
(5) any penalties assigned to the individual carry over to his new position (including the five games/bowl ban for Tressel).

If we only had to worry about (5), it wouldn't be that bad. But given the fact that UT is on probation, do you really want to give the NCAA reason to snoop around campus even more than usual, looking for additional severe punishments to drop on us? I think Coach Tressel would be an excellent choice under most circumstances, but here it would be an unwelcome cloud hanging over us.
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Tressel will never be hired as a Head Coach for a major college program. No university wants any parts of that let alone the stigma he will bring with him.
 
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#620
Would take Tressel before most candidates mentioned here.

Besides the show cause, name me a major discernible difference between the resumes of Tressel and Bob Stoops...

I could argue that Tressel's is even better.

Tressel can coach, recruit, and win. Nobody can dispute that.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Would take Tressel before most candidates mentioned here.

Besides the show cause, name me a major discernible difference between the resumes of Tressel and Bob Stoops...

I could argue that Tressel's is even better.

Tressel can coach, recruit, and win. Nobody can dispute that.
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I agree.
 
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globadoc said:
(If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were one of my business partners who would love to see Petrino from a fan perspective even though he really knows better.)

In his case, university policies and legal concerns certainly trump media scrutiny. His last actions in hiring his mistress in the athletic department (not the affair itself -- who cares about that) put the university at risk of an expensive and embarrasing Gloria Allred-esque lawsuit. To hell with wins and losses, he could have cost the university a year's athletic profits or more. Any university president will look at that and have a catatonic fit at the thought of bringing him in. Even if you don't expect him to have another affair or to hire another mistress, the fact that he was so willing to expose the university to such damage to its finances and reputation is and should be a major, major sticking point to any administrator. We all know that Jimmy Cheek won't ever go along with that hire!. Frankly, it will probably be a concern for NFL franchises as well.

As I said, somebody will hire him as a coach, if not this year, then next year or the next. They will win games, sell tickets, etc. And then Petrino will be Petrino, and something wicked their way comes....
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And we probably won't hire him, but he had a problem at Arkansas, not Tennessee. Maybe I'm slow but it seems he wouldn't do it again, at least not do it soon. My biggest argument is that we could financially hinder him from hurting our UT.
 
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How many of you remember Jim Wacker, coach of TCU, back in the 1980s? In 1984, his team was “ranked as high as #12, the TCU Frogs' highest ranking since 1960, and was invited to the Bluebonnet Bowl after an 8–3 record in the regular season. . . . After the season, Wacker was named as National Coach of the Year by ESPN, the UPI, and The Sporting News. He was awarded the 1984 Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award. After the first game of [1985], Wacker discovered that several players, including [All-American running back Kenneth] Davis, had been benefiting from a payment plan in violation of NCAA rules. He dismissed the players from the team and voluntarily reported the infractions to the NCAA, which issued stiff recruiting penalties on his team. These actions led to Wacker's reputation as a man of integrity. Fans of TCU remain bitter that the penalty heaped on TCU for the violations were severe given that the violations were voluntarily reported” (Jim Wacker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

I raise this point just to show how capricious the NCAA Infractions Committee is in levying its punishment. Like Pearl, Tressel’s personal transgressions were quite minor. However, he broke the cardinal rule of covering it up and lying to the NCAA about the matter and the NCAA hit him squarely between the eyes. If we weren’t already on probation, I would have no qualms about hiring Tressel. As for Petrino, he has a far more egregious track record on both a personal and professional level. How much pride can you really take in winning championships if you know that you sold your proverbial soul to the Devil to do so?
 
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Voodoomonkey said:
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I LOVE the office. Lol:eek:lol:
 
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