jobless claims rise again

#76
#76
overseasorange2 said:
Any professional outplacement individual will tell you that finding a job is a full time job. If you don't believe me than ask one. If you are doing something else, than you delaying your next offer.

PS. I am not in a union, and I would never consider being in one. That's one thing you and I apparently agree on.
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i've heard people say that and it's ridiculously stupid. you can't possibly spend over a couple of hours a day looking for a job.

if you aren't in a union why did they pay you to go do nothing after you got laid off? are you telling me the company provided that without any pressure from labor?
 
#77
#77
droski said:
i've heard people say that and it's ridiculously stupid. you can't possibly spend over a couple of hours a day looking for a job.

if you aren't in a union why did they pay you to go do nothing after you got laid off? are you telling me the company provided that without any pressure from labor?
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believe me, I've heard this more than a few times; my fiancee being a career counselor and all. so annoying.
 
#78
#78
sjt18 said:
One great BIG PROBLEM... It isn't "your" own we're talking about when you draw a check for doing nothing rather than taking a lower job and making a contribution to the economy. It is OUR own... our money, NOT YOURS, NOT THE FEDERAL GOV'T's.
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Believe me, I have paid the government back many times over in the last 21 years, and out of a MUCH higher tax bracket than I would have been in had I just went out and taken any job. Had I taken the lower paying job, they would have also had my house on their hands(A check from Walmart would not have covered it). So both the government and I came out ahead.....call it a government investment that actually worked out for them too:)
 
#79
#79
droski said:
i've heard people say that and it's ridiculously stupid. you can't possibly spend over a couple of hours a day looking for a job.

if you aren't in a union why did they pay you to go do nothing after you got laid off? are you telling me the company provided that without any pressure from labor?
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Most of the Major oil companies provide such a service. It was Amoco Production company.
 
#80
#80
overseasorange2 said:
Believe me, I have paid the government back many times over in the last 21 years, and out of a MUCH higher tax bracket than I would have been in had I just went out and taken any job. Had I taken the lower paying job, they would have also had my house on their hands(A check from Walmart would not have covered it). So both the government and I came out ahead.....call it a government investment that actually worked out for them too:)
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The initial unemployment? Maybe. The ridiculous extenstion and especially since you could have work if you were humble/ethical enough to take it? NO.
 
#81
#81
droski said:
i've heard people say that and it's ridiculously stupid. you can't possibly spend over a couple of hours a day looking for a job.

if you aren't in a union why did they pay you to go do nothing after you got laid off? are you telling me the company provided that without any pressure from labor?
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Maybe not, but I did and I know it paid off. I got a job relatively quick compared to other people there.

In anycase, Lunch is over, and I don't want to become unemployed and much off the government. Adios
 
#84
#84
overseasorange2 said:
Any professional outplacement individual will tell you that finding a job is a full time job. If you don't believe me than ask one. If you are doing something else, than you delaying your next offer.

PS. I am not in a union, and I would never consider being in one. That's one thing you and I apparently agree on.
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Nonsense. I am essentially a career job hopper. Every 1-3 years I change jobs and find the new job while holding down the current job. It takes very little time and effort.
 
#85
#85
allvol123 said:
Nonsense. I am essentially a career job hopper. Every 1-3 years I change jobs and find the new job while holding down the current job. It takes very little time and effort.
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Wow! Aren't you wonderful!!!!! It's alot easier to find a job while still employed. I can't really believe how niave some people are on his board.:bad:
 
#86
#86
overseasorange2 said:
Wow! Aren't you wonderful!!!!! It's alot easier to find a job while still employed. I can't really believe how niave some people are on his board.:bad:
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If finding a job is a full time job how is it a lot easier to find a job if you are working?
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#87
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droski said:
If finding a job is a full time job how is it a lot easier to find a job if you are working?
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There is a perception amongst potential employers that if he is working he must be good, if not, probably not. I heard on NPR last week that some employers eliminate candidates just because they are unemployed, I have also been told by headhunters that some companies did not want to interview anybody over the age of 50. A double whammy if you are in that category.

And no, it's not easier getting an engineering job if you are currently working flipping burgers. If you currently work as an engineer for Exxon, yes. I mean't that if you are currently working as a professional in your chosen career, then it's easier to find a similar job. In fact, I get offers all the time. BUT I don't think that would be true. if I was working as a janitor some where just to have any JOB.
 
#88
#88
sjt18 said:
When good companies hire for positions like you think you deserve... who do you think will get picked up first: those who were industrious enough to take what was available and add to their skill set or those who sat on their duff adding to the economic burden that extended the recession?

You need to wise up and find a job.
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Actually statistics show that taking a crappy job like that hurts your chances of getting rehired in your field. Just sayin'.
 
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IPorange said:
Actually statistics show that taking a crappy job like that hurts your chances of getting rehired in your field. Just sayin'.
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DING!DING!DING....We have a winner. Thank you. I am glad we have someone out there that lives in the real world.:good!:
 
#90
#90
overseasorange2 said:
There is a perception amongst potential employers that if he is working he must be good, if not, probably not. I heard on NPR last week that some employers eliminate candidates just because they are unemployed, I have also been told by headhunters that some companies did not want to interview anybody over the age of 50. A double whammy if you are in that category.

And no, it's not easier getting an engineering job if you are currently working flipping burgers. If you currently work as an engineer for Exxon, yes. I mean't that if you are currently working as a professional in your chosen career, then it's easier to find a similar job. In fact, I get offers all the time. BUT I don't think that would be true. if I was working as a janitor some where just to have any JOB.
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Agreed.

If you have three identical candidates for a good white collarish job with good qualifcations, and A is currently employed in the same field, B was laid off from a similar position within the last two or three months, and C was laid off in the last couple of months but is currently employed as a janitor, who gets hired? A and then B, and probably not unless desperate C.

If you feel ethically driven to go out and take "any job," you better not be ethically driven to put it on your resume.
 
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#91
IPorange said:
Agreed.

If you have three identical candidates for a good white collarish job with good qualifcations, and A is currently employed in the same field, B was laid off from a similar position within the last two or three months, and C was laid off in the last couple of months but is currently employed as a janitor, who gets hired? A and then B, and probably not unless desperate C.

If you feel ethically driven to go out and take "any job," you better not be ethically driven to put it on your resume.
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actually reports say B and C wouldn't even get interviewed in the current job market. C is just doing what has to be done to support himself
 
#92
#92
Exactly. In the above scenario employers will wonder why said prospect was laid off. Cutting loose dead wood? Too old? Outdated skills set? Demanded too many perks/raises/benefits? I'd rather take a chance stealing someone else's talent than taking a chance on the unemployed talent pool. Sounds heartless but it happens.

Being overly qualified is a problem with taking the lesser skill set jobs. I was laughed out of places and also told I was a risk of making too many demands for having a higher skill set than the job entailed.

It's ruthless and cutthroat out there.
 
#93
#93
CSpindizzy said:
Exactly. In the above scenario employers will wonder why said prospect was laid off. Cutting loose dead wood? Too old? Outdated skills set? Demanded too many perks/raises/benefits? I'd rather take a chance stealing someone else's talent than taking a chance on the unemployed talent pool. Sounds heartless but it happens.

Being overly qualified is a problem with taking the lesser skill set jobs. I was laughed out of places and also told I was a risk of making too many demands for having a higher skill set than the job entailed.

It's ruthless and cutthroat out there.
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I'll agree with that. :hi:
 
#94
#94
It IS tough out there. The current unemployment numbers are not just because of "laziness."

That is the sort of thinking behind the "let them eat cake" line of the French Revolution.
 
#95
#95
IPorange said:
It IS tough out there. The current unemployment numbers are not just because of "laziness."

That is the sort of thinking behind the "let them eat cake" line of the French Revolution.
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I am sure some people are abusing the system, but the majority are not. That happens anywhere. Should I stop contributing to my charities because some of the money doesn't go where I think it is? Speaking of abuse...I wonder how much of the American tax payer money is being properly handled by the Afghanistan/Iraq government. Surely they are not corrupt:crazy::eek:lol:
 
#96
#96
overseasorange2 said:
I am sure some people are abusing the system, but the majority are not. That happens anywhere. Should I stop contributing to my charities because some of the money doesn't go where I think it is? Speaking of abuse...I wonder how much of the American tax payer money is being properly handled by the Afghanistan/Iraq government. Surely they are not corrupt:crazy::eek:lol:
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unfortunately, the amount of money we are giving them is peanuts compared to what we pee away for turtle fences and the like over here.

Heck, developing an F-22 and then only buying several dozen of them is a colossal waste of money to me too, in a blown investment sort of way.
 
#97
#97
IPorange said:
unfortunately, the amount of money we are giving them is peanuts compared to what we pee away for turtle fences and the like over here.

Heck, developing an F-22 and then only buying several dozen of them is a colossal waste of money to me too, in a blown investment sort of way.
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justifying wasted money with more wasted money is kinda useless
 
#99
#99
IPorange said:
It IS tough out there. The current unemployment numbers are not just because of "laziness."

That is the sort of thinking behind the "let them eat cake" line of the French Revolution.
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if you have been umployed for 6+ months you either:

a) need to switch industries

b) need to move

c) need to take less money

You are correct that times suck, but there are jobs available for those willing to take them.
 
#100
#100
overseasorange2 said:
I am sure some people are abusing the system, but the majority are not. That happens anywhere. Should I stop contributing to my charities because some of the money doesn't go where I think it is? Speaking of abuse...I wonder how much of the American tax payer money is being properly handled by the Afghanistan/Iraq government. Surely they are not corrupt:crazy::eek:lol:
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depends of your definition of abuse. there are plenty of people who could be employed if they did what was neccasary and probably unpleasant. long term unemployment insurance only delays those type of neccasary decisions.
 
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