jobless claims rise again

#101
#101
droski said:
if you have been umployed for 6+ months you either:

a) need to switch industries

b) need to move

c) need to take less money

You are correct that times suck, but there are jobs available for those willing to take them.
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Moving is not always practical. And it is not as easy as you make it out to be. There are quite a few circumstances that come into play with the economy being the way it is. Perhaps the magic wand theory of jobs there for the taking worked a few years back but an across the board generalization does not apply in this market.
 
#102
#102
CSpindizzy said:
Moving is not always practical. And it is not as easy as you make it out to be. There are quite a few circumstances that come into play with the economy being the way it is. Perhaps the magic wand theory of jobs there for the taking worked a few years back but an across the board generalization does not apply in this market.
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Droski lives in Camelot:)
 
#103
#103
CSpindizzy said:
Moving is not always practical. And it is not as easy as you make it out to be. There are quite a few circumstances that come into play with the economy being the way it is. Perhaps the magic wand theory of jobs there for the taking worked a few years back but an across the board generalization does not apply in this market.
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and it's this exact attitude is why we see people unemployed for 6 months to a year. "it's not practical." "it's not easy." of course it's not. but if you have to survive you make those tough decisions. long term unemployment just punts that decision down the road. monster.com doesn't have zero jobs available. hell my alcoholic brother found a new job with a higher salary within a month of getting fired for not showing up to work for a week while he was on a bender.
 
#105
#105
droski said:
so you have friends who you fell are capable, good workers, who have been unemployed for 6 months? as far as i can tell all this downturn has done is weed out the winners from the losers.
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That was true in the 80's. Since then about a million jobs have been lost in the oil indusrty. Geez, when were you born? If I was currently an unemployed oil worker due to the government's moratorium, somehow:crazy:I just could not feel guilty about taking their meager unemployment check.
 
#106
#106
PS. Those jobs are now going to foreigners because the rigs are on their way to offshore China, Africa etc. Congrats to Obama for handling that so well.
 
#107
#107
overseasorange2 said:
That was true in the 80's. Since then about a million jobs have been lost in the oil indusrty. Geez, when were you born? If I was currently an unemployed oil worker due to the government's moratorium, somehow:crazy:I just could not feel guilty about taking their meager unemployment check.
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so you are saying there is a cyclical change that is making oil jobs less and less available in the US. don't you think that some of these peopel therefore clearly need to switch professions or move ot where the oil jobs are?
 
#108
#108
droski said:
and it's this exact attitude is why we see people unemployed for 6 months to a year. "it's not practical." "it's not easy." of course it's not. but if you have to survive you make those tough decisions. long term unemployment just punts that decision down the road. monster.com doesn't have zero jobs available. hell my alcoholic brother found a new job with a higher salary within a month of getting fired for not showing up to work for a week while he was on a bender.
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Tell me how a family of four can just pick up and move elsewhere in trying to sell their home in a poor housing market to find work elsewhere.

No one is saying these are not tough decisions. I've seen people basically sell almost everything they own to survive while looking for a job.

Congrats to your alcoholic brother. Not everyone is as fortunate as he is or as stupid as his employer is for hiring such a person. Perhaps the job market is much better in that portion of the country to just hire drunks with no bother to check previous work history. As for tough decisions, some people have a choice of working 40+ hours a week in a minimum wage job cleaning toilets or taking unemployment allowing for time to look for better jobs. As I said, a lot of scenarios out there for people to consider. This is not the 'worthless bum riding the system' environment of a decade ago. Times have changed.
 
#109
#109
droski said:
so you have friends who you fell are capable, good workers, who have been unemployed for 6 months? as far as i can tell all this downturn has done is weed out the winners from the losers.
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Yes, I live in Houston. And it takes most people about that long to find a job in their field, and I cannot blame somebody for trying to maintain doing was they like to do. It's not all about money, some people do what they do because it's their passion. If you can't understand that, I give up.
 
#110
#110
CSpindizzy said:
Tell me how a family of four can just pick up and move elsewhere in trying to sell their home in a poor housing market to find work elsewhere.
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you walk away from the house. just like a lot of people. what's your other option? milk the govt and your fellow taxpayers until by some miracle you find a job that hasn't existed for 6 months prior?
 
#111
#111
overseasorange2 said:
Yes, I live in Houston. And it takes most people about that long to find a job in their field, and I cannot blame somebody for trying to maintain doing was they like to do. It's not all about money, some people do what they do because it's their passion. If you can't understand that, I give up.
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it's not my job as a taxpayer to pay for people's passions. sorry.
 
#113
#113
droski said:
and it's this exact attitude is why we see people unemployed for 6 months to a year. "it's not practical." "it's not easy." of course it's not. but if you have to survive you make those tough decisions. long term unemployment just punts that decision down the road. monster.com doesn't have zero jobs available. hell my alcoholic brother found a new job with a higher salary within a month of getting fired for not showing up to work for a week while he was on a bender.
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Totally agree.

However, I will say that monster.com and careerbuilder.com are absolutely worthless. The only lead for a job to come from both were for open sales jobs...
 
#115
#115
VOLinthaATL said:
Totally agree.

However, I will say that monster.com and careerbuilder.com are absolutely worthless. The only lead for a job to come from both were for open sales jobs...
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i got a job off of monster.com. you are competing against hundreds of others, but i wouldn't say they are worthless. at least it gives you an idea as to who is hiring and then maybe you use your contacts to get someone to help you jump the line.
 
#116
#116
droski said:
i got a job off of monster.com. you are competing against hundreds of others, but i wouldn't say they are worthless. at least it gives you an idea as to who is hiring and then maybe you use your contacts to get someone to help you jump the line.
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I agree with that.

However, when your jsut one of the thousands and thousands of resumes on there it's nearly impossbile. Your resume could be fantastic and you have all the experience in the world for a certain job but if a company's HR rep doesn't think your resume is pretty enough it get's completely skipped. There is a problem there in my opinion...
 
#117
#117
droski said:
you walk away from the house. just like a lot of people. what's your other option? milk the govt and your fellow taxpayers until by some miracle you find a job that hasn't existed for 6 months prior?
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And live in a box under a bridge? Where is this fantasy money coming from? Milk the government? Considering how much a person puts in, I'm more inclined to word it as someone getting back what they've put in. You make it sound so easy. Perhaps you should be a job counselor or start your own firm.
 
#118
#118
CSpindizzy said:
And live in a box under a bridge? Where is this fantasy money coming from? Milk the government? Considering how much a person puts in, I'm more inclined to word it as someone getting back what they've put in. You make it sound so easy. Perhaps you should be a job counselor or start your own firm.
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once again. long term unenmployment punts the decision down the road to make the neccasary hard decisions in your career. i'm not saying it's easy, just that paying people for 6 months to a year and hoping they all of sudden figure it out isn't helping anything,
 
#119
#119
droski said:
once again. long term unenmployment punts the decision down the road to make the neccasary hard decisions in your career. i'm not saying it's easy, just that paying people for 6 months to a year and hoping they all of sudden figure it out isn't helping anything,
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Yes, because everyone in that situation is clueless and just cannot 'figure it out'.
 
#121
#121
droski said:
yes everyone unemployed for over HALF A YEAR is clueless.
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I may have been clueless, but after 7 months I got a job that paid higher than the last, and subsequently stayed with that company for 20 years with a great pension. But hey maybe I should have gone to Burger King:eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
#122
#122
and your evidence that you couldn't have gotten that job if you got a job in the meanwhile is. . .?
 
#123
#123
That was the advise of the professional job counselors that my x-company provided. OH but I am sure you have better advise in all your experiences. Like was brought up previously, getting a minimum wage job would have probably detered a future employer Thank god you are not my stock broker.
 
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