Joe Milton Has as much Upside as...

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Milton is a day 3 guy who could be a backup to Richardson, Allen or even Levis. He’s 100 percent boom or bust in the nfl. Heupel’s offense is QB friendly but Milton has struggled with reads. He looks to be improving every week, but I don’t think someone gambles a 1 on him.
 
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Volador said:
You are kidding, right? They are taking body parts from healthy people and stitching them together to come up with NFL quarterbacks right now.
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A team drafting top 5 is looking for a franchise guy. Milton is not that. He’ll probably stick around the league as a backup for many years
 
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Was not saying Joe is as good as Vick or Newton was, just pointing out that they had similar physical attributes to Joe. While Newton was a MVP he was not considered a high quality starter for very ;long due to other parts of his game. In short arm strength and speed aren't the major indicators to a QB's success in the NFL as they may be in college. Look at Justin Fields, has alot of the same attributes but is slow going through reads leading to sacks. It's nice to have a QB that can run if the play breaks down but is far better to have a QB that can read the D presnap and rapidly go through his reads postsnap with enough arm to make the throws as well as good ball placement.
 
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Milton is healthy finally. The Georgia game at home will do a lot to help his draft spot and cement his legacy as a QB. I do think he definitely gets drafted and I think he probably goes higher than some think bc some team will fall in love with his potential.
 
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volfan_28 said:
Everybody’s brain has limits though. Some people process information faster than other people. I’m no expert evaluator by any stretch, but seems to me that Hooker excels in this area whereas Milton is a tick slow. Nico seems to have a loooong way to go in this area but I’ll chalk that up to him being a freshman who’s still adjusting to collegiate speed
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Has it ever crossed anyone's mind Hooker had much more game experience ? Compare the college resume and games played.

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That doesn't mean Hooker isn't a better qb. Just means he played a lot more meaningful snaps. Experience helps when trying to figure out what a defense is doing. Live game action always trumps what you see in practice. But JM's career numbers are not bad.
 
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VolDaddy61 said:
You mean He isn't the worst QB in the the SEC ?!
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anyone who thinks he is the worst is crazy... he is probably top4 easily when its all said and done. Especially when you look at current SEC starters and approach if from a draftable perspective. I can't think of more than 3 guys i'd draft ahead of him.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Has it ever crossed anyone's mind Hooker had much more game experience ? Compare the college resume and games played.

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They seem to be figuring it out with Joe. Hooker does process faster. He's more instinctive. But give Heupel credit. He has discovered ways to mitigate that while maximizing the things JM does well.

I would like to see Milton and this O be the finishers that Hooker and his units were. The Vols had 481 yds vs UK this year. Last year in a pretty impressive blowout... it was 433. The Vols scored 7 times in both games. But in 22 there were 6 TDs and 1 FG. This year 3 TDs and 4 FGs. QB performance is ALWAYS a big factor in TDs vs FGs.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Agree with your overall point, but I don’t think he’s a better runner than Allen. Allen is probably faster.

But Joe’s upside is huge and he will get drafted on that basis. He’ll move up draft boards as we get closer to the draft.
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Josh Allen has a top recorded running speed of 20.31mph. Joe was over 22mph on his 81 yard td run.
 
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volnbama_ said:
A team drafting top 5 is looking for a franchise guy. Milton is not that. He’ll probably stick around the league as a backup for many years
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Lots of circumstances play into it... but Milton is a better version of Richardson.

Senior resumes:

Milton- 65.4% completions, 7.8 yds/att, 15 TD, 4 INT, 224 yds/gm, 147 QBR
Richardson- 53.8% completions, 7.8 yds/att, 17 TD, 9 INT, 212 yds/gm, 131 QBR

It will only help him more if he continues to play like he has the last couple of games.
 
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My client appreciates all the support in this thread.

Seriously, think the biggest hurdle in the draft for Milton will be in the interviews and pre-draft process.

Gotta be able to prove he can make quick decisions and read defenses properly.

NFL is a QB starved league and getting worse at the position weekly it seems.

I don't think Milton is a Day 1 pick but somewhere between Rds 3 and 5 seems right. All these teams will be drooling over the arm strength. It's whether he can show he can handle the decision making and accuracy with his throws thatll determine where he ends up.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Has it ever crossed anyone's mind Hooker had much more game experience ? Compare the college resume and games played.

Joe
www.espn.com

Joe Milton III Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

Complete career NFL stats for New England Patriots Quarterback Joe Milton III on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Hendon
www.ncaa.com

Hendon Hooker: College football career, stats, highlights, records

Here's a quick guide to quarterback's Hendon Hooker college career at Tennessee.
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Honestly, not really. But it could explain why Joe is playing better down the stretch. Perhaps the game is slowing down for him now. Even though he has 6 years of college experience, there's no substitute for live game experience. Good point.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Buffalo's Josh Allen.

Identical size: 6'5" 235

Joe runs better.

Joe's arm stronger.

Allen 63.4% pro career completion rate; Joe ~65% in 2022 and (lots of drops) 2023.

Milton 27 TD passes and 4 Ints in 3 years at Tennessee.

Give Milton 3 NFL WRs, 2 NFL TEs and an NFL OLine.

No, Joe Milton is not (yet) Joe Burrow or Peyton Manning. But neither is Josh Allen (nor will he ever be), yet the Buffalo offense is built around his strengths, and it's perennially a Top-10 team.

There is room in the NFL for Joe Milton.
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Surely you aren't comparing Allen's comp. % in the pros to Milton's in college football. For one, there is little difference in their respective numbers, but Allen is throwing against pros in much tighter windows. It's fine to compare their physical skills, but Milton isn't in the same zip code as Allen as a passer.

Allen has the strongest arm in the NFL, currently. Joe's may be stronger, but its negligible at that point. Allen can throw it 80 yds, so how often will it really be practical/relevant that Milton can maybe throw it 90 yds? It's probably sufficient to say that both have strong arms and can make every throw on the field based solely on arm strength.

What evidence is there that Milton is a better runner? Milton has rushed for 627 yards in 40 career college games. Josh Allen ran for 762 yds in 16 games last season, alone. In college, he ran for 767 yds in 27 career games. Allen ran a 4.75 40 at the NFL Combine and Milton ran a 4.78 40 at Tennessee's Pro Day, last spring.

There is certainly a place for Milton in the NFL based solely on his physical traits. Someone is going to fall in love with his ability and think they can be the one to refine him much like Heupel has twice, now.
 
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sjt18 said:
They seem to be figuring it out with Joe. Hooker does process faster. He's more instinctive. But give Heupel credit. He has discovered ways to mitigate that while maximizing the things JM does well.

I would like to see Milton and this O be the finishers that Hooker and his units were. The Vols had 481 yds vs UK this year. Last year in a pretty impressive blowout... it was 433. The Vols scored 7 times in both games. But in 22 there were 6 TDs and 1 FG. This year 3 TDs and 4 FGs. QB performance is ALWAYS a big factor in TDs vs FGs.
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Agree with finishing 100%. I just think the more Joe plays the better he will get. Same with our wr's and I guess some ways the staff as well. Knowing what we can execute etc. I do believe Nico is going to be very good. As far as red zone execution we need to run the ball either with Milton or the rbs in the RZ. Some of the play calling has left me scratching my head in that area
 
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If he gets drafted he will tote a clipboard. He doesn’t have the mental capability. Size and stature are there but not between the ears. Honestly I must be watching a different Joe Milton bc this dude isn’t that good. There are a ton of other QBs in the country that are way better. He has a big game against UCONN and he getting props. This actually makes me laugh. He will get beat up the next two weekends. He holds the ball too long and runs like an ostrich.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Surely you aren't comparing Allen's comp. % in the pros to Milton's in college football. For one, there is little difference in their respective numbers, but Allen is throwing against pros in much tighter windows. It's fine to compare their physical skills, but Milton isn't in the same zip code as Allen as a passer.

Allen has the strongest arm in the NFL, currently. Joe's may be stronger, but its negligible at that point. Allen can throw it 80 yds, so how often will it really be practical/relevant that Milton can maybe throw it 90 yds? It's probably sufficient to say that both have strong arms and can make every throw on the field based solely on arm strength.

What evidence is there that Milton is a better runner? Milton has rushed for 627 yards in 40 career college games. Josh Allen ran for 762 yds in 16 games last season, alone. In college, he ran for 767 yds in 27 career games. Allen ran a 4.75 40 at the NFL Combine and Milton ran a 4.78 40 at Tennessee's Pro Day, last spring.

There is certainly a place for Milton in the NFL based solely on his physical traits. Someone is going to fall in love with his ability and think they can be the one to refine him much like Heupel has twice, now.
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A better comparison in this situation would be the college numbers. However it's all speculation on all of our parts to know what a guys gonns do at the next level factually. If AR can do it I believe Milton can play effectively also. I also don't know how Joe was developed at Michigan. He has had some struggles but he is getting better and is more efficient. He can help himself greatly the next 3 weeks and the bowl game if he chooses to play.
 
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Voldawg1970 said:
If he gets drafted he will tote a clipboard. He doesn’t have the mental capability. Size and stature are there but not between the ears. Honestly I must be watching a different Joe Milton bc this dude isn’t that good. There are a ton of other QBs in the country that are way better. He has a big game against UCONN and he getting props. This actually makes me laugh. He will get beat up the next two weekends. He holds the ball too long and runs like an ostrich.
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Bud, take a look at his numbers against the better teams .... he isn't a bad qb. I get it you want to blame the qb. It's not always just the qb. His numbers are what they are on the season, but his wrs have been inconsistent at best on one hand, play calling at times hasn't helped him along with a few times him not being accurate. Its a combination. AR had worse performances and a much worse record in CFB. Dude was playing well. Horrible take in my opinion
 
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BigALWiLson said:
That doesn't mean Hooker isn't a better qb. Just means he played a lot more meaningful snaps. Experience helps when trying to figure out what a defense is doing. Live game action always trumps what you see in practice. But JM's career numbers are not bad.
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I agree. Based only on the proverbial "eye test," Joe has begun to exhibit more consistently decisive commitment as both a runner and passer. And that has become apparent only within the last few weeks. If we harken back to 1998, we should recall that Tee Martin struggled in the first half of the season, which, like Joe, was his first full season as starting quarterback at UT. Experience, continued exposure to more and more game-speed repetitions, and growing familiarity with what his comrades in arms will do under fire all play into his improving effectiveness.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Cam Newton was MVP. Milton will be lucky to be as good as Newton or Vick. Hooker will be a backup
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This.. people just throwing Cam Newton name around lol, a lot of his downfall was his own doing (along with some injuries) but give me a prime Cam over Josh Allen.

I do think the Josh Allen comps are more accurate for Joe, he's not the runner Cam was.
 
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