John Brice - Rick Barnes Extended, $5.9 Million

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Witch_Doctor said:
Witch Doctor say pay the man, let him retire with dignity and THEN you can talk about hiring a Better coach after he leaves. Witch Doctor say Barnes will have left a program that others WANT to be part of.
Witch Doctor say google "Tennessee Football" if you have questions, until then we cant pretend we are some elite ball program thats getting held back by him. idiots.
PS top kids coming, young up and coming coaches coming in to learn under him..Pay 6.9 million, its going to pay off now and later.

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best thing this Tennessee basket-weaving forum larper has ever said
 
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Witch_Doctor said:
Witch Doctor say pay the man, let him retire with dignity and THEN you can talk about hiring a Better coach after he leaves. Witch Doctor say Barnes will have left a program that others WANT to be part of.
Witch Doctor say google "Tennessee Football" if you have questions, until then we cant pretend we are some elite ball program thats getting held back by him. idiots.
PS top kids coming, young up and coming coaches coming in to learn under him..Pay 6.9 million, its going to pay off now and later.

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They can TALK about hiring a better coach, but it won’t happen. They can’t appreciate and enjoy what they already have. TN has only upgraded their basketball coach 3x out of the 10 hires in the last 60 years and two of those hires were after the program was in horrible shape (Buzz didn’t destroy TN basketball).
 
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GregAmsler said:
What kind of money was Phil playing with when he gave his buddy Kevin Steele millions of university dollars as a handout before leaving?
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That was borderline criminal, especially in light of the current walk money Fulmer, himself, is receiving for being so bad at his job.
 
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Couldn't go back through the posts to find the one I was thinking of but read somebody say that making the tourney more increases the chances of advancing but someone disagreed with it.

I'd pose it differently, theoretically does making the Elite 8 more often increase your chances of winning a NC? If so, then by the same logic making the tourney more would increase your chances of advancing in it.

It's pretty simple, you can't advance without making it. So yes, making it more often increases your chances of advancing. That is not the same thing as reflecting on your %s of actual success. That all comes down to a game-by-game equation.
 
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Vols8086 said:
And of that list, we are the only program that doesn't have a winning record in the NCAA tourney. We are also the only program listed that doesn't have 4 or more tourney wins, and everyone but Oregon has at least 5.

Which is the only gripe anybody really has about Barnes, yet a lot on here want to completely minimize that fact.
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Projection 101...lol.

The only "minimizing" to be seen on this board seems to be those who apparently only watch b-ball in March, cannot contextualize (e.g., no Fulky means no NCAA run), and suffer from selective amnesia as it relates to our program's history.
 
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zjcvols said:
Because one is a 42 year old who did something that hasn’t happened in 16 years, has improved every year and made the CWS in his fourth year while the other is a 67 year old who has made one S16 in his last 12 years of coaching
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I like Rick Barnes... but bump for the truth. The game is changing around him and his philosophy is not. Jmo
 
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Catbone said:
I like Rick Barnes... but bump for the truth. The game is changing around him and his philosophy is not. Jmo
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Good thing for us there's no way for all these 5* to find out how outdated CRB is from watching his teams play on TV or opposing coaches to use it against us in recruiting or message boards to break it down for them...lol.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Good thing for us there's no way for all these 5* to find out how outdated CRB is from watching his teams play on TV or opposing coaches to use it against us in recruiting or message boards to break it down for them...lol.
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Some of these posters have no clue about sports in general.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Projection 101...lol.

The only "minimizing" to be seen on this board seems to be those who apparently only watch b-ball in March, cannot contextualize (e.g., no Fulky means no NCAA run), and suffer from selective amnesia as it relates to our program's history.
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I can contextualize just fine, its the sunshine pumpers like yourself that cannot. What would Fulky have done? Dude has been here for 5 years and has one 15 game stretch where he looked like a difference maker. The other 4.5 years he has been an oft injured energy role player. Guess what, he is already injured again. Please tell me we aren't trying to make Fulky a thing again...

Furthermore, it is about Rick Barnes entire career, not just one season or one coaching stop. If you want to make it about his UT career though, the best team he may every have here won 3 NCAA tourney games over 2 years. Barnes has the worst record in college basketball history against higher seeds in the tourney (among coaches who have 10 more more games). His teams average has been a 5 seed and as a 5 seed or lower he is 4-12 in round 1 for his career. Of coaches that have coached 30+ years at P5 schools, I believe he is the only one with a losing record in the NCAA tourney.

I think he is great at recruiting, culture building, and regular season success. I think he raises the floor of any program he goes to. I can readily admit that because it is painfully obvious in his long history. Why do you and others struggle to admit his shortcomings and issues in March when they are literally smacking you in the face? Projections (well good ones anyway) are based off of evidence. Please tell me what I'm missing here.
 
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Catbone said:
I like Rick Barnes... but bump for the truth. The game is changing around him and his philosophy is not. Jmo
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If this were true he wouldn’t be getting all these elite recruits. All these idiot Barnes haters keep making this claim but none of them can actually explain how his style is “outdated” or how he should change it. They just regurgitate whatever garbage they hear on Tony Basilio or Fanrun Radio
 
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SGMVols said:
If this were true he wouldn’t be getting all these elite recruits. All these idiot Barnes haters keep making this claim but none of them can actually explain how his style is “outdated” or how he should change it. They just regurgitate whatever garbage they hear on Tony Basilio or Fanrun Radio
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There have been multiple people breakdown his outdated offense, both here and elsewhere. Specifically his affinity for the elbow jumper and lack of spacing within his motion offense. The same motion offense (which is a version of the flex offense) that he has run for decades. The shots the offense seems to gravitate toward are considered some of the worst shots analytically.

His offense has been stale and only been above average here when he had Grant and Admiral to dump the ball to and bail him out late in the shot clock.

But again, mention anything negative about Barnes at all and you're an idiot. Even though much of this is verifiable by a basic Google search.
 
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Vols8086 said:
I can contextualize just fine, its the sunshine pumpers like yourself that cannot. What would Fulky have done? Dude has been here for 5 years and has one 15 game stretch where he looked like a difference maker. The other 4.5 years he has been an oft injured energy role player. Guess what, he is already injured again. Please tell me we aren't trying to make Fulky a thing again...

Furthermore, it is about Rick Barnes entire career, not just one season or one coaching stop. If you want to make it about his UT career though, the best team he may every have here won 3 NCAA tourney games over 2 years. Barnes has the worst record in college basketball history against higher seeds in the tourney (among coaches who have 10 more more games). His teams average has been a 5 seed and as a 5 seed or lower he is 4-12 in round 1 for his career. Of coaches that have coached 30+ years at P5 schools, I believe he is the only one with a losing record in the NCAA tourney.

I think he is great at recruiting, culture building, and regular season success. I think he raises the floor of any program he goes to. I can readily admit that because it is painfully obvious in his long history. Why do you and others struggle to admit his shortcomings and issues in March when they are literally smacking you in the face? Projections (well good ones anyway) are based off of evidence. Please tell me what I'm missing here.
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I just love it when a "realist" suddenly shows up to educate us "sunshine pumpers" about that totally awful Rick Barnes--in the most condescending way possible, of course--by cherry-picking facts, ignoring inconvenient truths, and taking a unreasonably myopic view of the program under Barnes.

It's really a treat to have these sharp basketball minds with significant AD experience grace our presence. It's just a shame that they only seem to appear when Barnes gets a raise and/or extension. Funny, that.
 
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Vols8086 said:
There have been multiple people breakdown his outdated offense, both here and elsewhere. Specifically his affinity for the elbow jumper and lack of spacing within his motion offense. The same motion offense (which is a version of the flex offense) that he has run for decades. The shots the offense seems to gravitate toward are considered some of the worst shots analytically.

His offense has been stale and only been above average here when he had Grant and Admiral to dump the ball to and bail him out late in the shot clock.

But again, mention anything negative about Barnes at all and you're an idiot. Even though much of this is verifiable by a basic Google search.
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I definitely am not doubting you on this, but do you happen to have links to some of this analysis? I'd legitimately be interested in reading it and learning more about the offense from a technical perspective.
 
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Vols8086 said:
There have been multiple people breakdown his outdated offense, both here and elsewhere. Specifically his affinity for the elbow jumper and lack of spacing within his motion offense. The same motion offense (which is a version of the flex offense) that he has run for decades. The shots the offense seems to gravitate toward are considered some of the worst shots analytically.

His offense has been stale and only been above average here when he had Grant and Admiral to dump the ball to and bail him out late in the shot clock.

But again, mention anything negative about Barnes at all and you're an idiot. Even though much of this is verifiable by a basic Google search.
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Keep grinding that axe, buddy. I'm sure that call from DW seeking advice on the next UT basketball HC hire is coming any day now.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Phil deserves the credit for keeping Barnes on board after the UCLA fiasco. Danny playing with house money now.
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Boyd was responsible for keeping Rick Barnes, not Fulmer.

"During his time, he's used some of his own money to help UT out, such as last spring when he put together a bonus package to keep UT Knoxville basketball coach Rick Barnes from leaving for a job with UCLA, records show. Documents show Boyd pledged up to $300,000 of his own money to create a bonus pool and found nine other supporters to join him. Together they created a pool of up to $3 million for Barnes, and spared UT from having to come up with the money itself."

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Vols8086 said:
I understand there is always some luck/good fortune involved. However, more often than not, a superior team will eventually win out and advance. That's why your Final Four teams are all typically pretty darn good with maybe 1 surprise in there. By your estimation, Barnes has just had a lot of bad luck and bad fortune over 30+ years. With that large a data sample, it's more than just a bad bounce or two.
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I would say the shot at the end of the game by Loyola in 2017 was a bad bounce. I would say the foul at the end of the Purdue game was a 50-50 call. I don't think anyone can even argue with that.
 
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