John Wall Ineligible?

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Wall won't have to worry about much anyway. This stuff usually gets resolved fairly easily, although I wonder if the NCAA is looking to make examples out of players with their new emphasis on third parties.
 
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Unimane said:
It's great that you and hat are so eager to jump to the defense of Cal, but do just the opposite for Pearl. Great Vol fans here.
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Yea it surprises me sometimes how Pearl and Cal "supposedly" do the same thing but these "Vol" fans tend to take it personally when someone says bad things about Cal.
 
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There seems to be a considerable amount of misunderstanding surrounding the John Wall eligibility issue. This is an amateur status issue not an institutional violation issue. That means that the NCAA Committee on Infractions is not involved. This issue is between the NCAA and the individual (John Wall) - not the University or any of its staff.

The unresolved issue with the NCAA centers around documentation supporting evidence that Wall's AAU Coach (Clifton) was reimbursed for any expenses he incurred while accompanying John to "unofficial visits" to the institution in which he signed his LOI. This includes any meals, lodging costs, etc.

It is my understanding that the issue of Clifton's agent status while an AAU coach is now cleared. If not, then other players on this AAU team such as Ryan Kelly of Duke would be under investigation as well.
 
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CatsQueue said:
There seems to be a considerable amount of misunderstanding surrounding the John Wall eligibility issue. This is an amateur status issue not an institutional violation issue. That means that the NCAA Committee on Infractions is not involved. This issue is between the NCAA and the individual (John Wall) - not the University or any of its staff.

The unresolved issue with the NCAA centers around documentation supporting evidence that Wall's AAU Coach (Clifton) was reimbursed for any expenses he incurred while accompanying John to "unofficial visits" to the institution in which he signed his LOI. This includes any meals, lodging costs, etc.

It is my understanding that the issue of Clifton's agent status while an AAU coach is now cleared. If not, then other players on this AAU team such as Ryan Kelly of Duke would be under investigation as well.
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sssshhhh. Quit stating the facts. :crazy:
 
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Unimane said:
It's great that you and hat are so eager to jump to the defense of Cal, but do just the opposite for Pearl. Great Vol fans here.
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I often wonder if certain posters are truly Vols fans. Then again, I'm just a lowly peasant who needs to go "kill myself" according to Hat so what do I know?
 
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getyopopcornready said:
why do kentucky fans feel they need to come over here and explain this issue?
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because so many people seem to be confused about this issue?

getyopopcornready said:
Yea it surprises me sometimes how Pearl and Cal "supposedly" do the same thing but these "Vol" fans tend to take it personally when someone says bad things about Cal.
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I am not defending him at all if he did something wrong he and the program should be punished. I stated a few days ago that I liked Cal, til he got to Kentucky. The problem is, our fans like to act like we are the choirboys of the SEC, and we aren't. Hell, I didn't see any of you guys calling Kiffin a cheater when Bryce Brown's amateur status came into question. Glass houses guys.
 
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Bottom line: Is Calipari completely innocent of any shady business while coaching and recruiting? Probably not, you would be hard pressed to find a coach that is. Is he on the same level as Kelvin Sampson like a lot of people on here seem to think? No, and it is silly to claim otherwise.
 
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The issue with Wall is not if his AAU coach was reimbursed, but did Wall receive benefits from an agent. If the agent issue is resolved, he would have to pay back money based on illegal benefits he received during his unofficial visits.
As for Cal, there have been several things happen at Memphis and other places that he knew nothing about. I wonder how much control he has over his program when these things happen without his knowledge. He is smart enough to have others do the dirty work for him--so for appearance purposes, he looks clean.
 
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emainvol said:
Bottom line: Is Calipari completely innocent of any shady business while coaching and recruiting? Probably not, you would be hard pressed to find a coach that is. Is he on the same level as Kelvin Sampson like a lot of people on here seem to think? No, and it is silly to claim otherwise.
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I agree to a point. But I don't think Calipari should be just lumped into a category with all the other coaches because everybody is supposedly doing it. That is not the case with Calipari; all of his major accomplishments have been vacated by the NCAA. Thus, he is not just like all the other coaches in the NCAA, but he's not on the level of Sampson either. Calipari has a reputation for being a slimeball by almost everyone except the fans of the school that he is at. That is not the case with most coaches.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
I agree to a point. But I don't think Calipari should be just lumped into a category with all the other coaches because everybody is supposedly doing it. That is not the case with Calipari; all of his major accomplishments have been vacated by the NCAA. Thus, he is not just like all the other coaches in the NCAA, but he's not on the level of Sampson either. Calipari has a reputation for being a slimeball by almost everyone except the fans of the school that he is at. That is not the case with most coaches.
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At least he had major accomplishments to vacate. More than can be said for some of his rivals in the East.
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emainvol said:
I am not defending him at all if he did something wrong he and the program should be punished. I stated a few days ago that I liked Cal, til he got to Kentucky. The problem is, our fans like to act like we are the choirboys of the SEC, and we aren't
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I've acknowledged the fact that both coaches do their fair share of cheating, but it seems like when Cal is called out as a cheater there seems to be more defense come to his aid, then if someone calls Bruce a cheater on here.

Hell, I didn't see any of you guys calling Kiffin a cheater when Bryce Brown's amateur status came into question. Glass houses guys
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Not even comparable. Kiffin also hasn't had 2 final fours vacated at 2 other schools.
 
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I agree, we should cheat and win something major just so we can say we accomplished something.
 
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Also, regarding Brown, he was investigated for visiting colleges as a high school sophomore with a guy who was not an agent. Wall was hangning and receiving compensation from a registered and known agent. He won't get more than a slap on the wrist, but it's not the same deal.
 
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Unimane said:
I agree, we should cheat and win something major just so we can say we accomplished something.
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Bruce has already done his fair share, he just didn't accomplish anything with it. But I'm sure there would be several people on here that would have something negative to say about him had he accomplished something
 
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getyopopcornready said:
I've acknowledged the fact that both coaches do their fair share of cheating, but it seems like when Cal is called out as a cheater there seems to be more defense come to his aid, then if someone calls Bruce a cheater on here.
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I'm far more forgiving of those who produce bigtime results.
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hatvol96 said:
I'm far more forgiving of those who produce bigtime results.
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There are no rewards for being "honest" and having integrity in college bball.. the only way to be successfull is to be a heck of a coach (Izzo) or use your "connections" to land the top talent (Cal)... Bruce better start meeting new people..
 
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getyopopcornready said:
There are no rewards for being "honest" and having integrity in college bball.. the only way to be successfull is to be a heck of a coach (Izzo) or use your "connections" to land the top talent (Cal)... Bruce better start meeting new people..
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Surely you don't think Izzo gets all those Flint guys just becaue he's an excellent tactician. I'm sure it has nothing to do with how tight he is with the high school coaches and grassroots guys in that area.
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hatvol96 said:
Surely you don't think Izzo gets all those Flint guys just becaue he's an excellent tactician. I'm sure it has nothing to do with how tight he is with the high school coaches and grassroots guys in that area.
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I don't consider that "cheating". Using your connections with AAU coaches, schools, etc.. is pretty common. Using your connections to Lebron James, WWW, and having guys on your team who barely passed English 101 is quite an eyebrow raiser.

It probably isn't too hard selling Michigan State in the Detroit and Flint areas either.
 
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