John Wall Ineligible?

#77
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getyopopcornready said:
I don't consider that "cheating". Using your connections with AAU coaches, schools, etc.. is pretty common. Using your connections to Lebron James, WWW, and having guys on your team who barely passed English 101 is quite an eyebrow raiser.

It probably isn't too hard selling Michigan State in the Detroit and Flint areas either.
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How is using LeBron James any different than Bernard King "bumping into" the Harris family at their hotel? In fact, I guarantee LBJ has interacted a whole bunch more with Cal than Bernard has with Pearl.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, everyone else in college basketball is using future neurosurgeons.
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Ofcourse Robert Dozier's SAT score would represent a respectable "Student-Athlete".. Scoring over 500 points less than what he scored on his first test proves that something was going on there.. Although I don't understand why Cal would waste an assigned test taker on a SOCON level player.

I met Andre Allen two nights before we played them in the state tournament in 2000 and I don't think two words came out of his mouth that could be considered human conversation.

Ofcourse we all know Rose had some trouble attaining a qualifying test score

And Cal preaches integrity and academics to UK fans? They are delusional enough to believe anything he says though so I dont blame him.
 
#79
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getyopopcornready said:
I've acknowledged the fact that both coaches do their fair share of cheating, but it seems like when Cal is called out as a cheater there seems to be more defense come to his aid, then if someone calls Bruce a cheater on here.



Not even comparable. Kiffin also hasn't had 2 final fours vacated at 2 other schools.
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How is it not comparable? Kiffin had exactly as much to do with Bryce Brown's questionable association as Calipari had with Wall's. The point was, in neither case did the coach have anything to do with it.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How is using LeBron James any different than Bernard King "bumping into" the Harris family at their hotel? In fact, I guarantee LBJ has interacted a whole bunch more with Cal than Bernard has with Pearl.
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I'm not denying that Pearl doesn't have connections.. Just that he should get some better ones
 
#81
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emainvol said:
How is it not comparable? Kiffin had exactly as much to do with Bryce Brown's questionable association as Calipari had with Wall's? The point was, in neither case did the coach have anything to do with it.
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Bryce Brown was selling candy bars outside Wal-mart as a sophomore in high school with his handler who has no connections.

John Wall was playing AAU bball for an actual agent who was also handling his "recruitment" and just happens to know some powerful people.

It really doesn't matter anyway. Pearl and Cal do their fair share.
 
#82
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getyopopcornready said:
Bryce Brown was selling candy bars outside Wal-mart as a sophomore in high school with his handler who has no connections.

John Wall was playing AAU bball for an actual agent who was also handling his "recruitment" and just happens to know some powerful people.

It really doesn't matter anyway. Pearl and Cal do their fair share.
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I agree that they both do their fair share, however, the point with Kiffin and Calipari is that in neither case is the NCAA investigation relevant to the coach in question. It's ridiculous for people to suggest otherwise.

Basically what is happening is that people are talking the same stupid crap on here that fans of other teams are talking about us elsewhere. I would like to think that the UT fanbase is a bit smarter than that.
 
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emainvol said:
I agree that they both do their fair share, however, the point with Kiffin and Calipari is that in neither case is the NCAA investigation relevant to the coach in question. It's ridiculous for people to suggest otherwise.

Basically what is happening is that people are talking the same stupid crap on here that fans of other teams are talking about us elsewhere. I would like to think that the UT fanbase is a bit smarter than that.
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Ok, go ahead and blame Kiffin for recruiting a player who had a questionable background. That's fine

But how many times does Cal get before everyone realizes that he simply recruits players with questionable backgrounds and character? I think Cal's background speaks volumes as far as what type of guy he is. How can you compare someone who has coached a total of 6 games to a guy who has had 2 final fours vacated, 4 KNOWN players who have had qualifying questions, and obviously has some questionable connections?
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Ok, go ahead and blame Kiffin for recruiting a player who had a questionable background. That's fine

But how many times does Cal get before everyone realizes that he simply recruits players with questionable backgrounds and character? I think Cal's background speaks volumes as far as what type of guy he is. How can you compare someone who has coached a total of 6 games to a guy who has had 2 final fours vacated, 4 KNOWN players who have had qualifying questions, and obviously has some questionable connections?
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You are misunderstanding, I am not blaming Kiffin, I am saying that in both cases it is irrelevant. As for recruiting these players, well when you recruit the best this crap tends to follow them. If Tennessee had pulled John Wall, Derrick Rose or Robert Dozier, they would have the same problems.
 
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and believe me, I think that the fact that the NCAA (who absolutely loves to bend people over) has cleared Cal in two different cases speaks volumes as well. They don't exactly show favoritism, if they did, Kentucky wouldn't have gotten hammered in the late 80s
 
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emainvol said:
You are misunderstanding, I am not blaming Kiffin, I am saying that in both cases it is irrelevant. As for recruiting these players, well when you recruit the best this crap tends to follow them. If Tennessee had pulled John Wall, Derrick Rose or Robert Dozier, they would have the same problems.
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Heck yea I wish we had that problem, just like we had when we got Bryce. The only thing I'm arguing is that it seems like some of you are Kentucky fans with the way you attack others when they call Cal a cheater.. which he is.. and so is Bruce, but Cal just does it better
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Heck yea I wish we had that problem, just like we had when we got Bryce. The only thing I'm arguing is that it seems like some of you are Kentucky fans with the way you attack others when they call Cal a cheater.. which he is.. and so is Bruce, but Cal just does it better
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Make no mistake, I hate Kentucky with a passion.
 
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hatvol96 said:
At least he had major accomplishments to vacate. More than can be said for some of his rivals in the East.
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I'm not disputing his accomplishments. I'm just saying that part of his reputation as being a cheater is because his accomplishments have been vacated by the 'AA.
 
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We should hire Cal--get to a final four--lose, and then get it vacated as he did for two different universities. My hero coach!! That's why he is so much better than Pearl.
 
#95
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getyopopcornready said:
Ofcourse Robert Dozier's SAT score would represent a respectable "Student-Athlete".. Scoring over 500 points less than what he scored on his first test proves that something was going on there.. Although I don't understand why Cal would waste an assigned test taker on a SOCON level player.

I met Andre Allen two nights before we played them in the state tournament in 2000 and I don't think two words came out of his mouth that could be considered human conversation.

Ofcourse we all know Rose had some trouble attaining a qualifying test score

And Cal preaches integrity and academics to UK fans? They are delusional enough to believe anything he says though so I dont blame him.
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As would you if he coached the orange .:ermm:
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
We should hire Cal--get to a final four--lose, and then get it vacated as he did for two different universities. My hero coach!! That's why he is so much better than Pearl.
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Again only if he coached the orange .:)



Better players usually produce better teams
 
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Although in this case, Cal should be free and clear, you can't blame the masses for dredging his name through the mud again.

If you are stupid enough to cheat, and are even more stupid to be so obvious about it and get caught, then you must face the scrutiny that will come with every minor little issue. People will be watching. People will have it out for you. And rightfully so.

One prominent poster here stated before he actually respects Cal because he knows how to "work the system to his advantage" (ahem......cough...cheat...cough). Cal is a dumb cheater. He's landed different schools in trouble with the NCAA and has been linked to a shady booster. How much respect can you have for someone this dumb? He's either dumb for being involved and getting caught, or he is even dumber if this was all going on without him knowing. Defenders of Cal on here can keep on defending. Enjoy yourself.

Pearl may have questionable tactics involving R Smith and D West. However, he may not. We do not know for a certainty. So far, he has managed to stay under the radar if he has done anything "shady". Until then and if that happens, no comparison between the two can really be made.

Regarding John Wall - I hope he is screwed and never plays in college. Not because I dislike Cal, but because I despise Kentucky Basketball.
 
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emainvol said:
Like it or not, bending the rules isn't breaking them.
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Agreed. The NCAA says its not OK for a recruit to earn any type of monetary benefits, that's all they care about. Anything goes as long as someone isn't making some money that the NCAA can't have a part of. But I personally wonder sometimes if there is some money involved in these recruits somehow.. WWW has to have some sort of money motivation to talk to these recruits and vice versa.. Why would a recruit care so much about playing for Cal? And why would WWW care so much about talking to these recruits?
 
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From my perspetive, having someone take the SAT (or ACT) for a player who can't tell the difference in an Algebraic Equation and a rock is not "Bending" the rules.

Having a 3rd party arrange the test taking by the alternate does not absolve one of wrongdoing.
 
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