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MedicT said:
Like I wrote earlier, somewhere LOL, if we see a repeat of last year we are in for one very interesting off season.
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We'll know after the USCe game....either way.

He will have done enough to stay, or not.

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MedicT said:
One step backward and I think he is done. IMHO
Hart or the Boosters? who knows.......
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Would you consider a loss to Ms State a "step backward" because it seems to me it would just be par for his career. Would we have to lose to Vandy or Ky this year, oh wait, what about Vandy?

I guess my question is given his record vs the SEC and ranked opponents what would constitute a "step back"?
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Would you consider a loss to Ms State a "step backward" because it seems to me it would just be par for his career. Would we have to lose to Vandy or Ky this year, oh wait, what about Vandy?

I guess my question is given his record vs the SEC and ranked opponents what would constitute a "step back"?
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Loss to Troy?????
 
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I'm on the Gruden/anybody-but-Dooley bandwagon right now.

I was a big Dooley supporter up until the Florida game--he totally lost me with that collapse. GOOD coaches do more with less and pull big wins out over teams they aren't supposed to beat. Dooley has done nothing but lose every big game, lose games he should have won, and won squeakers over teams we should have destroyed. NC State is his lone good win in 3 years.

Dooley got a pass for the first 2 seasons, but this year is simply inexcusable. It would be different if we were seeing some marked improvement and competitiveness without the horrific implosions, but we haven't. We fell apart against Florida, and thanks to Georgia being careless with the football in the first half, we barely stayed afloat against the Dawgs.

Good coaches do more with less. Kiffin, for goodness' sake, beat Georgia, South Carolina, and nearly Alabama with that rickety roster we had in 2009. We had a headcase of a QB in Crompton, 2 laughably undersized walk-on seniors STARTING on our O-Line, and a starting DT with no knees in Wes Brown.

Dooley has the better QB, O-Line, D-Line, Linebackers, and Corners.
Kiffin had better RBs, Safeties, and Kicker.
WRs are a push, if even a slight edge to Dooley.

Nevertheless, Dooley has underachieved with this talent and needs to be let go. A GOOD coach doesn't let his team implode against Florida like they did. A GOOD coach holds on to win that game, especially after we stopped that fake punt. A GOOD coach doesn't let his team get dominated by Georgia in the first quarter like we were. UGA let us back in that game with poor handling of the football, and that was the only reason that game wound up close at the end.

I hate it as much as everyone else--I hoped Dooley would be good, if not at least serviceable, but the fact is he isn't going to get us anywhere.

Next year will be rough with or without Dooley, with games @UF, @Bama, and @Oregon. I'd prefer it be tough without him, and with someone new. If Dooley doesn't get fired this season, he will next season, so might as well get a head start on the rebuilding process for the new coach.

The point is also not JUST losing, but HOW we lost. If it had been a close-fought game with FEW mistakes against UF and UGA, then we were just out-classed in talent; but that wasn't the case. The case was collapse and implosion with mistake after mistake, showing poor discipline and thus poor coaching.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Would you consider a loss to Ms State a "step backward" because it seems to me it would just be par for his career. Would we have to lose to Vandy or Ky this year, oh wait, what about Vandy?

I guess my question is given his record vs the SEC and ranked opponents what would constitute a "step back"?
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Personally, having played the game(not at UT or DIV I for that matter) I tend to judge progress by what I see on the field as opposed to just W/L especially at this stage of rebuilding. My thinking being the wins will come if play is improving. Doesn't make my opinion correct but that is the way I look at it.

With that said, I want to see a defense greatly improved on Saturday.
 
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MedicT said:
Personally, having played the game(not at UT or DIV I for that matter) I tend to judge progress by what I see on the field as opposed to just W/L especially at this stage of rebuilding. My thinking being the wins will come if play is improving. Doesn't make my opinion correct but that is the way I look at it.

With that said, I want to see a defense greatly improved on Saturday.
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I think we can agree that something better change THIS week.
 
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volatil said:
What have you seen in the way of improvement???? I saw a team that had 9 players on the field for a two point conversion. That same play had to burn a timeout that we very much needed at the end of the game. Saw a team give up 600 yards of offense in consecutive SEC games. Saw a team struggle mightily against an awful Akron team. Please don't say the obligatory "we changed to a 3-4, it takes time". That may be true but we wouldn't have changed had Wilcox not jumped off a sinking ship.
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Last night the N Y Jets did NOT have enough players on the field and had to call a timeout...TWICE!!!

I guess the NFL Pro coaches are pathetic too, LOL.

Coaches are people and ALL people will make mistakes sometimes especially in the heat of a game where seconds are ticking off the clock.

You don't seem to know much about football because even in the NFL where players practice 10 to 12 hours per day it normally takes 2 YEARS for a team to switch to a 3-4 D, learn everything, clear up mistakes and get to where they can react instantly and play the 3-4 the way it's designed to be played.

As to Wilcox...He always wanted to move back to the Pacific NorthWest since that's home for him and you do NOT know if CDD told him he was going to make a change or not so it's just more ASSumptions and rumors which is mostly what this anti-Tennessee thread is all about.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Last night the N Y Jets did NOT have enough players on the field and had to call a timeout...TWICE!!!

I guess the NFL Pro coaches are pathetic too, LOL.

Coaches are people and ALL people will make mistakes sometimes especially in the heat of a game where seconds are ticking off the clock.

You don't seem to know much about football because even in the NFL where players practice 10 to 12 hours per day it normally takes 2 YEARS for a team to switch to a 3-4 D, learn everything, clear up mistakes and get to where they can react instantly and play the 3-4 the way it's designed to be played.

As to Wilcox...He always wanted to move back to the Pacific NorthWest since that's home for him and you do NOT know if CDD told him he was going to make a change or not so it's just more ASSumptions and rumors which is mostly what this anti-Tennessee thread is all about.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Last night the N Y Jets did NOT have enough players on the field and had to call a timeout...TWICE!!!

I guess the NFL Pro coaches are pathetic too, LOL.

Coaches are people and ALL people will make mistakes sometimes especially in the heat of a game where seconds are ticking off the clock.

You don't seem to know much about football because even in the NFL where players practice 10 to 12 hours per day it normally takes 2 YEARS for a team to switch to a 3-4 D, learn everything, clear up mistakes and get to where they can react instantly and play the 3-4 the way it's designed to be played.

As to Wilcox...He always wanted to move back to the Pacific NorthWest since that's home for him and you do NOT know if CDD told him he was going to make a change or not so it's just more ASSumptions and rumors which is mostly what this anti-Tennessee thread is all about.

VFL...GBO!!!
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If it takes two seasons to install a 3-4 defense, then it wasn't wise to switch to it in a do-or-die season. That reminds me of Fulmer's decision to bring in the Clawfense on the other side of the ball in 2008. Initiating a two-year installation process does not automatically buy the head coach another year.
 
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I think if its Gruden it would unite the fan base. The coaching staff he puts together would be awesome.
 
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ukvols said:
If it takes two seasons to install a 3-4 defense, then it wasn't wise to switch to it in a do-or-die season. That reminds me of Fulmer's decision to bring in the Clawfense on the other side of the ball in 2008. Initiating a two-year installation process does not automatically buy the head coach another year.
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There's NOT been 1 person with any say so at all say this is a do-or-die season for CDD...NOBODY.

The ONLY person that will make that decision is AD Hart and maybe some big $$$ boosters but the rumor is that most big boosters said NO WAY to another multi-Million $$$ buyout PLUS what it would cost to get a big name, proven coach and new coaching staff in here.

The ONLY people that said this is a do-or-die season are YOU people and NOBODY else that matters at all.

CDD wanted to switch to the 3-4 D since day 1 that he got here but he couldn't find the right coaches with ONLY 2 weeks to hire a coaching staff AND try to hold a recruiting class together and try to add some more good players to that class.

He also had to give Wilcox and the other coaches at least a 2 year contract to get them to come to Tennessee so he couldn't make the 3-4 D move until some of those contracts were over or until he could convince Wilcox and the others to leave voluntarily.

What you Grudenites do NOT know is simply amazing.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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