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The thing that worries me about Gruden IF he coached Tennessee is after 2 years will he want to be back in NFL. We need a proven coach but we definitely cannot fire Dooley and only get gruden 2 years.
 
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MedicT said:
Oh? An 8/4 Gruden trumps an 8/4 Dooley? How smart would that be considering we would have to empty the coffers to get him? Especially on an untested SEC coach. Don't hand me the BS about a SB ring. Coach Fulmer has a NC ring and that wasn't good enough.
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Serious question, do you really believe NC = SB?
 
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BJWeeks said:
The thing that worries me about Gruden IF he coached Tennessee is after 2 years will he want to be back in NFL. We need a proven coach but we definitely cannot fire Dooley and only get gruden 2 years.
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I'd say it's time we stop making decisions out of fear.
 
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Volsfan895 said:
Dooley having an 8-4 season this year means he didn't win a big time game most likely. If Gruden went 2 plus years with no significant victories I would be critical of him as well so quit making this a personal attack on Dooley. He is a like able coach but this is about results and he hasn't had them so far. So in your logic after winning an NC a coach is allowed to only rest on his past for a decade?
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We are not evaluating Coach Fulmer. We are discussing J Gruden who has never coached in the SEC. In fact, he has never had a Head Coaching position in collegiate football. He might do very well and he might not.
 
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MedicT said:
We are not evaluating Coach Fulmer. We are discussing J Gruden who has never coached in the SEC. In fact, he has never had a Head Coaching position in collegiate football. He might do very well and he might not.
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You brought Fulmer into the discussion and I asked you a question about what you meant. Gruden would be a rockstar here and recruits galore would want to play for him. Season ticket sales would explode and that is good for the university in anyway you look at it. So what if he hasn't been a college HC before? Dooley went from being a position coach to head coach and you don't seem to have a problem with that.
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Volsfan895 said:
You brought Fulmer into the discussion and I asked you a question about what you meant. Gruden would be a rockstar here and recruits galore would want to play for him. Season ticket sales would explode and that is good for the university in anyway you look at it. So what if he hasn't been a college HC before? Dooley went from being a position coach to head coach and you don't seem to have a problem with that.
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I don't want a "rockstar" flash in the pan coach. I want a coach with his eye on the continuous improvement that leads to winning football games. One positive aspect about all the negative attitudes toward the program will be seeing how the team/staff respond. If they improve in the face of it then I'm convinced Dooley will produce competitive SEC football in the years to come. If not then a change will come. Still don't think Gruden would be the best choice in any case.
 
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MedicT said:
I don't want a "rockstar" flash in the pan coach. I want a coach with his eye on the continuous improvement that leads to winning football games. One positive aspect about all the negative attitudes toward the program will be seeing how the team/staff respond. If they improve in the face of it then I'm convinced Dooley will produce competitive SEC football in the years to come. If not then a change will come. Still don't think Gruden would be the best choice in any case.
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So you agree with 99% of what is said here, no way it should be into year 3 before Dooley beats anyone that is not a patsy OOC opponent, a third tier SEC team like Vandy and Ky (maybe), or is looking at least competitive in big games for all 4 quarters.

"Continuous Improvement" and "The Dooley Experiment" are oxymorons.
 
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I am convinced though, that a couple of "Chucky faces" during a game on national TV would be enough to keep the Grudenites happy regardless of what was happening on the field.
 
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MedicT said:
Oh? An 8/4 Gruden trumps an 8/4 Dooley? How smart would that be considering we would have to empty the coffers to get him? Especially on an untested SEC coach. Don't hand me the BS about a SB ring. Coach Fulmer has a NC ring and that wasn't good enough.
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Nobody can 100% guarentee the performance of a player or coach. Its the job of the AD to evaluate the coaching situation and place the program in the best possible situation to succeed at the highest level going forward. If a candidate has the proven skill set to achieve this over the current coach, than the AD should make the move if that person is available. If you wait too long than the window will close on your oppertunities.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
So you agree with 99% of what is said here, no way it should be into year 3 before Dooley beats anyone that is not a patsy OOC opponent, a third tier SEC team like Vandy and Ky (maybe), or is looking at least competitive in big games for all 4 quarters.

"Continuous Improvement" and "The Dooley Experiment" are oxymorons.
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If Gruden comes here he starts next season 1/4 and the entire "hang the coach" routine starts again. 3/2 into a 12 game season with the losses to FL and UGA where we had the lead at one point in both and you want Dooley gone? With a third year SEC coach?
 
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MedicT said:
If Gruden comes here he starts next season 1/4 and the entire "hang the coach" routine starts again. 3/2 into a 12 game season with the losses to FL and UGA where we had the lead at one point in both and you want Dooley gone? With a third year SEC coach?
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Rome wasn't built in a day.......but 3 years is plenty.
 
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MedicT said:
If Gruden comes here he starts next season 1/4 and the entire "hang the coach" routine starts again. 3/2 into a 12 game season with the losses to FL and UGA where we had the lead at one point in both and you want Dooley gone? With a third year SEC coach?
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Do you mean year 2 if next year is year zero or legitimately year 3?
 
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MedicT said:
If Gruden comes here he starts next season 1/4 and the entire "hang the coach" routine starts again. 3/2 into a 12 game season with the losses to FL and UGA where we had the lead at one point in both and you want Dooley gone? With a third year SEC coach?
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If our best offensive players leave, it will be rough regardless of the coach. Nobody will call for Grudens head in his first year here.
 
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OCIVol said:
Let me start by saying, I am a supporter of the Vols. Some may think of me as a sunshine pumper or pro-Dooley because I support Dooley and the Vols. I'm not sure that label is fair. That being said, I will support whoever is our head coach. Currently, I support Dooley and hope he succeeds. Dooley has rebuilt our roster and our scholarship numbers are close to 85. We also have NFL talent on the offensive side of the ball (still lacking on defense). Dooley inherited a horrible situation and should be commended for cleaning things up after the Fulmer-Kiffin transition. We are a much better football team now than we were two years ago.

With that being said, Dooley needs to win one of the next three games (if not more). I have talked privately with Montrell, and we are hearing the same thing re: Gruden. Money is not an issue. Gruden is ready to get back into coaching and wants to coach at the collegiate level. The University of Tennessee is a job that not only intrigues him, but it is a job he would take.

I would hope that peoples' thirst for Gruden would not result in them cheering against Dooley and the Vols. If we can go 8-4 or 9-3 this year, we will land an excellent recruiting class and continue to head in the right direction. On the other hand, if we could get Gruden, there may be potential for much more.

My final take, I hope we do not get Gruden because I hope Dooley succeeds this year and in the future at UT. Only time will tell.
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I thought it was BS?
 
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