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MedicT said:
If Gruden comes here he starts next season 1/4 and the entire "hang the coach" routine starts again. 3/2 into a 12 game season with the losses to FL and UGA where we had the lead at one point in both and you want Dooley gone? With a third year SEC coach?
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I didnt see many hang the coach posts until it became obvious to anyone with eyes that he is a sub par leader, a sub par coach, unproven, and will never be successful in the SEC. He might take a WAC or MAC team in the right direction but is not on par with what we have grown to expect from UT.

See you see it one way, I see it as beating Florida for a half until the leadership wheels came completely off, a Georgia team that made a lot of mistakes but ultimately ending the game on 4 consecutive turnovers is abysmal, the first half of Akron we had to make adjustments to overcome their powerful attack, and our defense allowed more yards to Ga State than any other team they had faced. You act as if this is Dooleys first year, its not. Its his 3rd. I dont buy into the year 0 bs.

Again ANYONE that has greatness inside them would have shown at least a glimpse of it and the only glimpse I get from Dooleys tenure is a glimpse of what Ole Miss and Vandy fans feel like.
 
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vol4eva said:
If our best offensive players leave, it will be rough regardless of the coach. Nobody will call for Grudens head in his first year here.
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Barring a guaranteed first round pick, Bray would be stupid to leave if Gruden was the coach.

That being said, I'm not sure he'll be the best QB on campus next year.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
Can you PM me who you think it will be or is that rumor dead?
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I think any new coach would open up the quarterback battle, especially Gruden. I've heard great things about Peterman, and feel he would bring some things to the table that might push him to the front of the pack if given the opportunity. It's tough to unseat a SR QB however. He'd really need to impress.
 
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TNfan3 said:
Gruden in his second year at Tennessee will have us competing for the sec east title.
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Woah woah slow down there "Speed Racer!" You don't know that at all. The only guarantee at this point if Gruden was hired as UT's coach is that it would generate a LOT of media buzz, which would probably generate a lot of interest from recruits. That's it! That's all you can say with any certainty!

Gruden has zero experience as a college head coach. He's never had worry about recruiting. He's never had to worry about all the NCAA restrictions on pracitce, contact with kids, etc. He's never had to worry about the development of young 18-21 year olds (as a head coach). He's never had to worry about disciplining players for off the field behavior. Success in the NFL does not guarantee success in college.
 
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OCIVol said:
Let me start by saying, I am a supporter of the Vols. Some may think of me as a sunshine pumper or pro-Dooley because I support Dooley and the Vols. I'm not sure that label is fair. That being said, I will support whoever is our head coach. Currently, I support Dooley and hope he succeeds. Dooley has rebuilt our roster and our scholarship numbers are close to 85. We also have NFL talent on the offensive side of the ball (still lacking on defense). Dooley inherited a horrible situation and should be commended for cleaning things up after the Fulmer-Kiffin transition. We are a much better football team now than we were two years ago.

With that being said, Dooley needs to win one of the next three games (if not more). I have talked privately with Montrell, and we are hearing the same thing re: Gruden. Money is not an issue. Gruden is ready to get back into coaching and wants to coach at the collegiate level. The University of Tennessee is a job that not only intrigues him, but it is a job he would take.

I would hope that peoples' thirst for Gruden would not result in them cheering against Dooley and the Vols. If we can go 8-4 or 9-3 this year, we will land an excellent recruiting class and continue to head in the right direction. On the other hand, if we could get Gruden, there may be potential for much more.

My final take, I hope we do not get Gruden because I hope Dooley succeeds this year and in the future at UT. Only time will tell.
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This almost deserves a boom imo.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I think any new coach would open up the quarterback battle, especially Gruden. I've heard great things about Peterman, and feel he would bring some things to the table that might push him to the front of the pack if given the opportunity. It's tough to unseat a SR QB however. He'd really need to impress.
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A Gruden-coached Tyler Bray would be terrifiying imo.
 
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MedicT said:
Oh? An 8/4 Gruden trumps an 8/4 Dooley? How smart would that be considering we would have to empty the coffers to get him? Especially on an untested SEC coach. Don't hand me the BS about a SB ring. Coach Fulmer has a NC ring and that wasn't good enough.
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Friend, do you just see what you want to see rather than what was actually written?

I'm pretty sure he meant that he would trade a loss or two THIS year for Gruden rather than have Dooley hang on by a thread by winning 8 underwhelming games. So would I.

How is a Super Bowl BS??? My goodness. The NFL is HARDER than the SEC, so I'm sure Gruden would fare just fine.

And we fired Fulmer TEN YEARS after he won the NC. My goodness, it's not like we fired him a year or two after winning it.

Friend, you may not want Gruden, and that's fine. But you aren't supporting your case by using shoddy logic and unreasonable arguments in your posts in this thread.

Gruden or not, I want Dooley gone. He just can't and won't get it done.

Let's tease out your logic a bit:

1. Gruden won a SB, but that's offset because Fulmer won a NC and was still fired ten years later. (What a glaring non-sequitor!)

2. Fulmer winning a NC still didn't save him from being eventually fired.

3. Gruden winning a SB didn't save him from being eventually fired.

4. We shouldn't want Gruden, a SB-winning coach, because he was fired for having an average record in the NFL after winning said SB. And because he has no experience of coaching in the SEC.

5. Instead, we should stick with a losing-record coach in Dooley who has won neither a NC nor SB. Has SEC experience, but abysmal.

I'm not sure what kind of argument you are making--it really makes no sense, whatsoever.

How does Fulmer winning a NC have any bearing on Gruden? Because someone won a championship doesn't mean they are a great coach? Fine. But it also doesn't support your argument that a coach who wins a championship is a bad coach. Very peculiar use of logic in that one.

Secondly, if Fulmer and Gruden received little grace even after winning championships, then WHY should Dooley, who has won nothing, receive ANY favors? He doesn't merit any.

Basically, your own arguments show why we should fire Dooley.

On Gruden's lack of SEC experience: If a former SEC-title winning coach was going to coach a team in the Sun Belt, why would a Sun Belt fan claim that the coach's experience in the SEC was not as good as coaching experience in the Sun Belt? You see how faulty this is, right?

Perhaps a different example: let's say a professor at an Ivy League university left to teach at a small college. The small college doesn't turn him away because he doesn't have experience teaching at a small college; rather, they hire him because he has the experience in a higher level of difficulty and prestige.

It's the same with Gruden. His experience as a Super Bowl winning NFL head coach is MORE valuable than just some experience coaching in the SEC.

To summarize: Your arguments are fallacious, Dooley has failed and needs to be let go, and hopefully Gruden will be our next coach.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
Friend, do you just see what you want to see rather than what was actually written?

I'm pretty sure he meant that he would trade a loss or two THIS year for Gruden rather than have Dooley hang on by a thread by winning 8 underwhelming games. So would I.

How is a Super Bowl BS??? My goodness. The NFL is HARDER than the SEC, so I'm sure Gruden would fare just fine.

And we fired Fulmer TEN YEARS after he won the NC. My goodness, it's not like we fired him a year or two after winning it.

Friend, you may not want Gruden, and that's fine. But you aren't supporting your case by using shoddy logic and unreasonable arguments in your posts in this thread.

Gruden or not, I want Dooley gone. He just can't and won't get it done.

Let's tease out your logic a bit:

1. Gruden won a SB, but that's offset because Fulmer won a NC and was still fired ten years later. (What a glaring non-sequitor!)

2. Fulmer winning a NC still didn't save him from being eventually fired.

3. Gruden winning a SB didn't save him from being eventually fired.

4. We shouldn't want Gruden, a SB-winning coach, because he was fired for having an average record in the NFL after winning said SB. And because he has no experience of coaching in the SEC.

5. Instead, we should stick with a losing-record coach in Dooley who has won neither a NC nor SB. Has SEC experience, but abysmal.

I'm not sure what kind of argument you are making--it really makes no sense, whatsoever.

How does Fulmer winning a NC have any bearing on Gruden? Because someone won a championship doesn't mean they are a great coach? Fine. But it also doesn't support your argument that a coach who wins a championship is a bad coach. Very peculiar use of logic in that one.

Secondly, if Fulmer and Gruden received little grace even after winning championships, then WHY should Dooley, who has won nothing, receive ANY favors? He doesn't merit any.

Basically, your own arguments show why we should fire Dooley.

On Gruden's lack of SEC experience: If a former SEC-title winning coach was going to coach a team in the Sun Belt, why would a Sun Belt fan claim that the coach's experience in the SEC was not as good as coaching experience in the Sun Belt? You see how faulty this is, right?

Perhaps a different example: let's say a professor at an Ivy League university left to teach at a small college. The small college doesn't turn him away because he doesn't have experience teaching at a small college; rather, they hire him because he has the experience in a higher level of difficulty and prestige.

It's the same with Gruden. His experience as a Super Bowl winning NFL head coach is MORE valuable than just some experience coaching in the SEC.

To summarize: Your arguments are fallacious, Dooley has failed and needs to be let go, and hopefully Gruden will be our next coach.
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Impressive.

**slow, increasingly dramatic standing ovation.
 
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Nice verbiage JoeKyle, but nothing in that tells me Gruden would succeed as an SEC coach. Performance of a professional athlete is an entirely different variable than the performance of a 19-21 year old kid who thinks he can play in the SEC because he was a star in HS.
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Now hearing that John Chavis wants to come home. Can we make him the head coach?
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i am hearing that we get Toney Dungy for the vfl progam a mentor, john chavis for defense, and Gruden will be the head coach. and Dooley stays on to coach the special teams. 2013 will be a dynasty year.
 
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MedicT said:
Nice verbiage JoeKyle, but nothing in that tells me Gruden would succeed as an SEC coach. Performance of a professional athlete is an entirely different variable than the performance of a 19-21 year old kid who thinks he can play in the SEC because he was a star in HS.
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I feel the same way about lackluster head coaches from the WAC, yet here we are.
 
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rockytop114 said:
i am hearing that we get Toney Dungy for the vfl progam a mentor, john chavis for defense, and Gruden will be the head coach. and Dooley stays on to coach the special teams. 2013 will be a dynasty year.
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you didn't hear that. Someone is messing with your drive-thru headset again
 
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