Jon Gruden to Replace Les Miles at LSU?

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#52
It's dumb because your sole reason for saying Dungy was a lesser coach was because he supported Mike Vick. It had nothing to do with football.
 
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tvolsfan said:
If someone hires Jon Gruden, I'm just going to be upset that it wasn't us.
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I agree. He was my top choice prior to the Kiffin signing. I'm still willing to give Dooley a chance though. Maybe it will end up being a disaster but I have no problem giving him a chance. Plus as I stated earlier, I like the staff he has assembled. That's a big part of the reason I think it could work out. I like a lot of the staff.
 
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volinexile17 said:
It's dumb because your sole reason for saying Dungy was a lesser coach was because he supported Mike Vick. It had nothing to do with football.
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Where did I say that?

I said that's one of the differences between the two.

Pretty sure I said I'd take Gruden over Dungy and part of my reasoning was that Dungy only won one championship with Manning.

But okay... You're still cool though. :crazy:
 
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volinexile17 said:
That is one of the saddest things I've ever seen on this board.
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It is sad.... because it's true.

tvolsfan said:
No it's not. Gruden is at least as good as Dungy, and I'd definitely take him first.
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Gruden is who I was really hoping MH would hand a blank check to. Maybe that's one of Maannny reasons I wouldn't make a good AD, but oh well.
 
#56
#56
Is this better?

Gruden won a championship with Brad Johnson.

Dungy won a championship with Peyton Manning.

The Bucs defense was awesome but I don't care. Winning with BJ requires better coaching than PM. Outside of Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer, look at the quarterbacks winning Super Bowls over the last 10 or 20 years.
 
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braths said:
You can't be any worse of an AD than the one we currently have.
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I'd disagree with that. The only hire we could be questioning right now is Dooley. Other than that, I'm not sure how much he could have done differently. (I don't watch college baseball at all, so I can't speak about that hire, which everyone hates.)
 
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lilesrt said:
There is alot of chatter on tigerdroppings about Jon Gruden replacing Les Miles at years end if Les Miles loses to Alabama in Tiger Stadium this season. That would make Miles 0-3 vs. Saban. At first I thought it was just "hear say" fan chatter but now they have an article posted on ESPN Insider about this being a real possibility. Could you guys imagine what would happen to this site if Jon Gruden passed on the UT job but accepted the LSU gig? I do not even want to imagine.
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Miles losing to Saban is a safe bet, but LSU doesn't need a Gruden to win. They have enough talent to do it with someone as incompetent as Les Miles. Dooley could probably win there.

We've got the situation that calls for a Gruden. They simply don't need that much firepower from a coach.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Is this better?

Gruden won a championship with Brad Johnson.

Dungy won a championship with Peyton Manning.

The Bucs defense was awesome but I don't care. Winning with BJ requires better coaching than PM. Outside of Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer, look at the quarterbacks winning Super Bowls over the last 10 or 20 years.
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Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger(2)
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady(3)
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner
John Elway(2)
Brett Favre
Troy Aikman(3)
Steve Young
Mark Rypien
Phil Simms
Joe Montana

Did it for you... three bad quarterbacks have won Super Bowls out of the past 20. Congrats to Dungy for winning ONE Super Bowl with maybe the greatest qb of all time. Gruden won a Super Bowl with one of the worst quarterbacks to ever win the Lombardi.
 
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#63
Gruden also was good with the bad Raiders team he took over. The Glazers and a lot of older guys past their prime ruined Tampa.
 
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utmba93 said:
Exactly. You have my support if you want the AD job.:good!:
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The problem with that is it's no guarantee we get him, but it would be worth the shot to go for him or another high level guy. If Bama managed to pull Nick Saban from Miami to coach at a lower level in Tuscaloosa for 4 million a year, I think we could have gotten someone great for a lot of money. I really think that method was as good as we could have done.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The problem with that is it's no guarantee we get him, but it would be worth the shot to go for him or another high level guy. If Bama managed to pull Nick Saban from Miami to coach at a lower level in Tuscaloosa for 4 million a year, I think we could have gotten someone great for a lot of money. I really think this method was as good as we could have done.
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I totally agree and would have been fine with the gamble. The loss would have been this season (it's a loss anyway).

The upside would have been that if high level coaches turned us down, we wouldn't have to convince a true candidate to take the job without having time to do some recruiting. The season will be over in December as there is little hope for any bowl game this year (much less one we'd really care to win).

As is, we've got two or three years to see if this much bigger gamble pays off. I feel like we bet on the longshot in the KY Derby--and I don't see the longshot winning again for a while.
 
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DuckRiverVol said:
Could very well happen if Miles takes the Michigan job as rumored.
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Why?

Gruden - Tennessee graduate assistant.

Gurden's wife - Tennessee alum.

Gruden family - Owns land in Tennessee.

I think he will stick with ESPN. He passed on Tennessee despite the obvious connections. Going to Baton Rouge makes no sense. I think Gruden could find an NFL gig if he wants to come back. Jmo.

I really don't understand why he'd go to LSU if he chose to do so.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Says the guy with 50 posts and doesn't even explain his thinking.

I could say the same thing to your half a**ed post.

But you're pretty cool though tough guy.
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I only have four posts (5 now) but live in Tampa and have for the last 7 years. I watched Gruden single handedly dismantle the team that Dungy's Staff created. To make things more ironic, the "offensive mastermind" made the Bucs one of the worst offenses in the NFL. The sad thing is the NFC SOUTH wasn't that strong the majority of the Gruden years "Interestingly, no team in the NFC South has earned back-to-back postseason appearances since the division's creation in 2002 Wapedia - Wiki: NFC South"
OFF/DEF
14 / 9 in 08
18 / 2 in 07
29 / 17 in 06
24 / 1 in05
22 / 4 in 04
9 / 4 in 03
24 / 1 in 02
Does Gruden know Xs and Os yes. Helps too when your old team doesn't change their play calling and you meet them in the super bowl.

Now I will admit the man is the best MNF commentator in a long time and explains plays and football theory well even to the average football fan. His place is in the booth not on a sideline. (he could go to LSU and that would be fine though!)

So look at what Dungy did in Indy.
OFF/DEF
14 / 8 in 02
2 / 13 in 03
2 / 28 in 04
3 / 11 in 05
3 / 21 in 06
5 / 3 in 07
15 /11 in 08
9 / 18 in 09

Gruden left TB hurting. He focused heavily on older players (veterans) rather than the youth and made many promises to the players that he failed to keep. Sounds like another coach we are familiar with.


Just because someone doesn't post often doesn't mean their post isn't worthwhile or valid. Especially when most posts are cynical or one or two words. Course what do I know..... I only have 5 posts.
 
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lilesrt said:
There is alot of chatter on tigerdroppings about Jon Gruden replacing Les Miles at years end if Les Miles loses to Alabama in Tiger Stadium this season. That would make Miles 0-3 vs. Saban. At first I thought it was just "hear say" fan chatter but now they have an article posted on ESPN Insider about this being a real possibility. Could you guys imagine what would happen to this site if Jon Gruden passed on the UT job but accepted the LSU gig? I do not even want to imagine.
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Was there not a lot of chatter on this very board about Jon being our next coach?

ESPN had a guy saying that LeBron was going to Miami, so that tells you all you need to now about ESPN.

I would not blink if he took the LSU job, I think he would be a good college coach but nothing to write home about.
 
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Vol_fan_in_Tampa said:
I only have four posts (5 now) but live in Tampa and have for the last 7 years. I watched Gruden single handedly dismantle the team that Dungy's Staff created. To make things more ironic, the "offensive mastermind" made the Bucs one of the worst offenses in the NFL. The sad thing is the NFC SOUTH wasn't that strong the majority of the Gruden years "Interestingly, no team in the NFC South has earned back-to-back postseason appearances since the division's creation in 2002 Wapedia - Wiki: NFC South"
OFF/DEF
14 / 9 in 08
18 / 2 in 07
29 / 17 in 06
24 / 1 in05
22 / 4 in 04
9 / 4 in 03
24 / 1 in 02
Does Gruden know Xs and Os yes. Helps too when your old team doesn't change their play calling and you meet them in the super bowl.

Now I will admit the man is the best MNF commentator in a long time and explains plays and football theory well even to the average football fan. His place is in the booth not on a sideline. (he could go to LSU and that would be fine though!)

So look at what Dungy did in Indy.
OFF/DEF
14 / 8 in 02
2 / 13 in 03
2 / 28 in 04
3 / 11 in 05
3 / 21 in 06
5 / 3 in 07
15 /11 in 08
9 / 18 in 09

Gruden left TB hurting. He focused heavily on older players (veterans) rather than the youth and made many promises to the players that he failed to keep. Sounds like another coach we are familiar with.


Just because someone doesn't post often doesn't mean their post isn't worthwhile or valid. Especially when most posts are cynical or one or two words. Course what do I know..... I only have 5 posts.
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Gruden dismantled what Dungy's staff did?

Dungy's staff didn't assemble that team. The GM did!

The only thing Gruden did was put them over the top.

Dungy required the best quarterback ever to win a championship.
 
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To further prove my point...

Rich McKay general manager took over in 93 and stayed til 2003. The Bucs were trash when he took over. He built their Super Bowl roster.

Do you know what he has done since? Rebuilt the Falcons after Vick became a screw up. He drafted Matt Ryan and got them back to the playoffs.
 
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