Joshua Dobbs progress thread

#26
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RocketDobbs11 said:
Coaches have asked alot of him against 2 top 10 teams in the country. For example the deep cross against the grain vs Auburn that was picked off. Granted, he didn't have to throw it, but asking a true freshman to make that throw in the first place is a bit much. We've seen his best attributes currently are to run the read option well and throw the 5-10 yard passes on the money, so why aren't we seeing more of that to set up the deep ball and not vice versa? Coaches need to do a better job protecting him, and he'll hit that deep ball eventually. Heck, he should've already hit a few if our receivers would have judged the ball correctly (North vs Mizzou and the non-PI deep ball called against Auburn). JMO.
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Dont forget about the strike he thru to Josh Smith that he dropped.
 
#27
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RocketDobbs11 said:
Coaches have asked alot of him against 2 top 10 teams in the country. For example the deep cross against the grain vs Auburn that was picked off. Granted, he didn't have to throw it, but asking a true freshman to make that throw in the first place is a bit much. We've seen his best attributes currently are to run the read option well and throw the 5-10 yard passes on the money, so why aren't we seeing more of that to set up the deep ball and not vice versa? Coaches need to do a better job protecting him, and he'll hit that deep ball eventually. Heck, he should've already hit a few if our receivers would have judged the ball correctly (North vs Mizzou and the non-PI deep ball called against Auburn). JMO.
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I'm almost CERTAIN the coaches didn't ask him to make that throw. If they did, they all need to be asked to leave. Right now. Six hours before kickoff even. Teams know his weaknesses and his strengths and they are defending appropriately. This isn't at all completely on the coaches.
 
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volfanbill said:
Dobbs' inability to check down his receivers is indicative of play calling? Dobbs' wildly inaccurate arm on anything over a 5 yard pass is indicative of play calling?
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No, that's on him

But you call plays that play to the strengths of the personnel

If I know you can't hit a receiver on a deep out, I'm not likely to call one on 3rd and 5, like we have seen.

Play calling on both sides of the ball has handicapped this team at times
 
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#30
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volfanbill said:
there's a huge difference in saying Dobbs should have led Tennessee to victory against Bama, Mizzou and Aubie vs Dobbs should have been able to find the end zone. So many on here are ready to crown Dobbs as the future of the program, but really, what has he shown so far? A wildly inaccurate arm, inability to check down and the idea to run as soon as any footsteps are heard. I don't see what's so great about him. The OP has made some really stupid posts before, but this is one is spot on. What has Dobbs done so far? Nothing. Now he finally gets a shot against a team that is at best on equal talent. If he doesn't look good here, I don't see how anyone can be riding the Dobbs is the future wagon.
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Dobbs has hit receivers right in the hands inside the 5, but he can't catch it for them. I guess a better qb woulda made em catch it.
 
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CountVolcula said:
No, that's on him

But you call plays that play to the strengths of the personnel

If I know you can't hit a receiver on a deep out, I'm not likely to call one on 3rd and 5, like we have seen.

Play calling on both sides of the ball has handicapped this team at times
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see my comment just above yours. Aubie and Mizzou figured this out and defended those ten yards and in heavy, allowing the deep ball. They were daring Tennessee to beat them this way and they couldn't do it. I'm not arguing that the WRs have made some bad drops (but they've done that all season), that the OL isn't HORRIBLE or that the play calling is questionable. But simply based on what Dobbs has done thus far, there's no reason to be excited by him.
 
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volfanbill said:
ok then. Do you see the VAST difference in your two posts here?
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No I don't. I'm sure you do cause you're going to interpret it the way you want. But what I've said in both post is that he doesn't deserve to be bashed for his play against 3 top 10 teams in he nation. Nothing to get your panties in a wad about. See ya in the next "sky is falling thread."
 
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#33
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I completely agree Crunch! Dobbs really stinks because he cant come in and dominate as a freshman against three top 10 teams with the plethora of talent we have on the roster around him. He looked horrible in the Bama game when he came in against the best team in the country, on the road, and took over for Worley in the 2nd half only squeezing out a few points (how many points did Worley get on the board?). After what we have seen, he will probably never be able to hack it in the SEC. I really cant stand how Dobbs has the nerve to keep the ball on the option read, he should just do what Worley did and hand off everytime. Dobbs has been solely to blame for the last three loses, without a doubt. I say we just cut him loose so we can have an extra scholly for 2015 and go ahead and burn Ferg's redshirt with two games left in the season. At least that way we will have another freshman QB to ridicule until the end of the season...gotta keep things exciting right? :rolleyes:
 
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BornOrange33 said:
No I don't. I'm sure you do cause you're going to interpret it the way you want. But what I've said in both post is that he doesn't deserve to be bashed for his play against 3 top 10 teams in he nation. Nothing to get your panties in a wad about. See ya in the next "sky is falling thread."
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then let me help you:

Yet, some think he should of been lighting these teams up. It's comical.
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No one in this thread has said he should be "lighting these teams up." We've said he should at least be able to get in the end zone. And if he can't do that today, then there is legitimate reason for serious concern about Dobbs as our future.
 
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Everyone wants to say we have young players. When do the young players grow up and become game changers? You only get an average of 50 games in college, if your lucky, to show what you can do. Some of these freshman players have used a quarter of those games already. I just know that even just average programs don't use the terms young, freshman, red shirt, etc. as an excuse they just reload. Look at South Carolina, Georgia, etc. Yeah, they have been more successful recently but why is that? Their recruiting hasn't been much better than ours recently. They've just had players step up. I will admit that they have probably retained more talent than we have. It just seems like all these teams don't ever drop off much but Tennessee can't even get in the race.
 
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VolAce said:
I completely agree Crunch! Dobbs really stinks because he cant come in and dominate as a freshman against three top 10 teams with the plethora of talent we have on the roster around him. He looked horrible in the Bama game when he came in against the best team in the country, on the road, and took over for Worley in the 2nd half only squeezing out a few points (how many points did Worley get on the board?). After what we have seen, he will probably never be able to hack it in the SEC. I really cant stand how Dobbs has the nerve to keep the ball on the option read, he should just do what Worley did and hand off everytime. Dobbs has been solely to blame for the last three loses, without a doubt. I say we just cut him loose so we can have an extra scholly for 2015 and go ahead and burn Ferg's redshirt with two games left in the season. At least that way we will have another freshman QB to ridicule until the end of the season...gotta keep things exciting right? :rolleyes:
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your inability to read is sad.
 
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volfanbill said:
see my comment just above yours. Aubie and Mizzou figured this out and defended those ten yards and in heavy, allowing the deep ball. They were daring Tennessee to beat them this way and they couldn't do it. I'm not arguing that the WRs have made some bad drops (but they've done that all season), that the OL isn't HORRIBLE or that the play calling is questionable. But simply based on what Dobbs has done thus far, there's no reason to be excited by him.
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He looks to have a limited skill set, yet the vanilla ice cream offense pisses me off

There are not many I miss from the Dooley years, but I miss Jim Chaney.
 
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volfanbill said:
then let me help you:
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I stand by what I said. He's a true freshman. His only WR that played last year-Howard. Just had his position coach say his route running last year was basically similar to backyard football. So it's not like the kids got a lot to work with.
 
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Dobbs has had 2 wks. to get ready. I know that he has the arm to throw deep but does he have the touch? Today could be a statement game for him or just raise more questions. Hoping for the former.
 
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BornOrange33 said:
I stand by what I said. He's a true freshman. His only WR that played last year-Howard. Just had his position coach say his route running last year was basically similar to backyard football. So it's not like the kids got a lot to work with.
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and NO ONE is arguing that either.
 
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VolAce said:
I completely agree Crunch! Dobbs really stinks because he cant come in and dominate as a freshman against three top 10 teams with the plethora of talent we have on the roster around him. He looked horrible in the Bama game when he came in against the best team in the country, on the road, and took over for Worley in the 2nd half only squeezing out a few points (how many points did Worley get on the board?). After what we have seen, he will probably never be able to hack it in the SEC. I really cant stand how Dobbs has the nerve to keep the ball on the option read, he should just do what Worley did and hand off everytime. Dobbs has been solely to blame for the last three loses, without a doubt. I say we just cut him loose so we can have an extra scholly for 2015 and go ahead and burn Ferg's redshirt with two games left in the season. At least that way we will have another freshman QB to ridicule until the end of the season...gotta keep things exciting right? :rolleyes:
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#44
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VolAce said:
Yalls inability to accept reality is sad. We dont have the talent...its just that simple.
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So Dobbs can't check down or have good touch on deep passes because of the talent. Got it.

or are you saying Dobbs doesn't have talent?
 
#45
#45
BornOrange33 said:
People that give him flak thus far amaze me. The kid has had to start his first 3 games all against top 10 talent. He's inexperienced, his WR are inexperienced. Yet, some think he should of been lighting these teams up. It's comical.
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There are plenty of comics on here.
That's why I love it.:eek:lol:
GO VOLS!
 
#46
#46
volfanbill said:
So Dobbs can't check down or have good touch on deep passes because of the talent. Got it.

or are you saying Dobbs doesn't have talent?
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No, but expecting a true freshman to have the nuances of the game down to a mastery level after playing in 3 games is unreasonable. Let me know if you need a definition for the word nuances.
 
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fade route said:
No, but expecting a true freshman to have the nuances of the game down to a mastery level after playing in 3 games is unreasonable. Let me know if you need a definition for the word nuances.
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again, no one has said he has to have the spot mastered down. But it's arguable as to whether or not he's at apprentice level. I guess if you know the definition of nuances you know the definition of apprentice.
 
#49
#49
Hes a FRESHMAN... how many FRESHMAN have you ever seen run through all of their progressions and then hit the checkdown? But lets be realistic, how many drops has he had to deal with? I dont see the issue with the deep touch really...like someone said before, deep balls are a combination of the QBs ability and timing with the WR, and the WR being where he is supposed to be. You cant put the blame on Dobbs for that. I think he has performed admirably considering the circumstances. I do not expect a freshman QB to progress the amount you Nancies are suggesting he should in THREE games against TOP 10 teams. But please, twist my words around to suit your argument.
 
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