Joshua Dobbs progress thread

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crunchimusmaximus said:
A deep ball is a deep ball regardless of who you are playing...so far he has only thrown one or two that looked even close accurate....and don't act like Auburns pass defense is anywhere close to elite....Murray without any wrs carved them up for over 400 yards and plenty of average qbs have also had a lot of success against them.....not to mention, I am not sensing any killer instinctive from Dobbs....something that Ferguson reportedly possesses......
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You don't "sense any killer instinct from Dobbs"? Please elaborate.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
Ok, I know he is young and almost fresh on campus, but I am not nearly sold on Dobbs being our qb of the future.....I am hoping he can help prove me wrong today against Vandy which has plenty of holes to exploit. The main thing I have been dissapointed with so far is the lack of touch and abillity to hit deep balls....I am hoping it has been more of a timing issue than anything...but so far he has not shown good deep ball abillity...there have been some big drops, but still, you know something must be wrong when Worely looks better throwing a deep ball.

Also, Dobbs inabillity to get it into the endzone is very very alarming...there was really no excuse against Auburn...our running game was pretty effective and AUs secondary is hardly elite......a talented passer should have produced at least one td throw throughout this 3 game stretch.

I hope Dobbs can prove me wrong, but if he falls to connect on any deep throws this game and can't reach the endzone at least once then I think it will be time for Ferguson to show what he is capable of.
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If you think Worley throws a better deep ball you're delusional.
 
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volfanbill said:
there's a huge difference in saying Dobbs should have led Tennessee to victory against Bama, Mizzou and Aubie vs Dobbs should have been able to find the end zone. So many on here are ready to crown Dobbs as the future of the program, but really, what has he shown so far? A wildly inaccurate arm, inability to check down and the idea to run as soon as any footsteps are heard. I don't see what's so great about him. The OP has made some really stupid posts before, but this is one is spot on. What has Dobbs done so far? Nothing. Now he finally gets a shot against a team that is at best on equal talent. If he doesn't look good here, I don't see how anyone can be riding the Dobbs is the future wagon.
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Now you can join the op in stupid post catagory.....freshman starting on a rebuklding team against top notch teams....time to grasp some reality
 
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Playing against three top #10 teams great defenses and so-so defenses, he is a freshman, he is very very smart, great arm great legs, average OL……YADA YADA YADA.. HE HAS to show progression against an evenly matched team if he produces the same stats like 24/40 for 210 yards runs for 91 yards O TDs and 2 INTs then it does not matter who plays next week because there will be no bowl and you DO NOT want to burn any red shirt to "see what he can do against a crappy UK team that will show you NOTHING…...
 
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orange_glory said:
Everyone wants to say we have young players. When do the young players grow up and become game changers? You only get an average of 50 games in college, if your lucky, to show what you can do. Some of these freshman players have used a quarter of those games already. I just know that even just average programs don't use the terms young, freshman, red shirt, etc. as an excuse they just reload. Look at South Carolina, Georgia, etc. Yeah, they have been more successful recently but why is that? Their recruiting hasn't been much better than ours recently. They've just had players step up. I will admit that they have probably retained more talent than we have. It just seems like all these teams don't ever drop off much but Tennessee can't even get in the race.
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How people on this board can't figure out attrition amazes me. This my friend is the answer. And no our recruiting has not been on par with UGA or SC because of misses, dismissals, and going pro early.
 
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This thread is an epic fail.Dobbs is a true freshman,who is coming along very nicely.It's unbelievable that some on here are griping about his performance.
 
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volfanhill said:
How people on this board can't figure out attrition amazes me. This my friend is the answer. And no our recruiting has not been on par with UGA or SC because of misses, dismissals, and going pro early.
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Thats why I admitted to not retaining players. However, even with attrition other teams keep on. Look at Vandy, their recruiting classes ought to be called attrition classes but they still have found a way to beat teams we have not. Yeah Yeah I know the teams they played were hurt, gave up on the coach, etc. Watch next year and see what happens. All these SEC teams losing great players and see who keeps on. We should at some point close the gap. We can't keep saying attrition is the problem because when we do we become Vandy and Miss St
 
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Let's compare our offensive productivity with Dobbs at the helm, accompanied by an inexperienced receiver corps, vs. the same period of Peyton's career. This year we scored 10 points against Alabama, the number one team in the country, 3 vs. Missouri, and 23 vs. Auburn, for a total of 36. Yes, I realize that we had a defensive score vs. Auburn.

Peyton first started against Washington State in 1994. We scored nine points that game, followed by 38 against what would prove to be a 4-7 Arkansas team, and 13 against an eventual 12-1 Alabama squad, for a total of 60 points. Peyton had a better and more experienced supporting cast, but, as great as he would eventually become, that offense didn't really begin to hum until the end of the season, when we posted 52 and 65 points against Kentucky and Vanderbilt, respectively, and 45 vs. Virginia Tech in the Gator Bowl.

The bottom line is that it's never an ideal situation to start a true freshman quarterback, so let's reserve judgment on Dobbs' potential, let alone his play, for a while. Furthermore, Peyton's first three starts were against teams with a combined 24-12 record. Dobbs has played against currently the 1st, 6th and 8th-ranked teams, whose combined record is 29-2. That could factor into why Dobbs has not thrown a touchdown pass thus far.
 
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orange_glory said:
Thats why I admitted to not retaining players. However, even with attrition other teams keep on. Look at Vandy, their recruiting classes ought to be called attrition classes but they still have found a way to beat teams we have not. Yeah Yeah I know the teams they played were hurt, gave up on the coach, etc. Watch next year and see what happens. All these SEC teams losing great players and see who keeps on. We should at some point close the gap. We can't keep saying attrition is the problem because when we do we become Vandy and Miss St
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No team has had the attrition we have had over the past few years.
 
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orange_glory said:
Thats why I admitted to not retaining players. However, even with attrition other teams keep on. Look at Vandy, their recruiting classes ought to be called attrition classes but they still have found a way to beat teams we have not. Yeah Yeah I know the teams they played were hurt, gave up on the coach, etc. Watch next year and see what happens. All these SEC teams losing great players and see who keeps on. We should at some point close the gap. We can't keep saying attrition is the problem because when we do we become Vandy and Miss St
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we have changed coaches a few times in the last 5 years. think that might have something to do with it?
 
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He has thrown nice deep balls. They haven't caught them. He also has made check downs. He played three top ten teams. Dobbs will be the starting qb until he graduates or goes to the NFL.
 
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The big concern is the turn over ratio between us a VU, they have feasted on other teams mistakes, we must protect the ball.
 
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alwaysvol said:
we have changed coaches a few times in the last 5 years. think that might have something to do with it?
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Exactly...
Over the last six years they've had 4 different head coaches, coaching staffs, and systems.

Then you add in the normal attrition, transfers, dismissals, leaving early for the draft, and possibly players recruited to fit different types of systems...and you realize that the teams must have some consistency and stability before you have anything to "reload" .
 
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alwaysvol said:
we have changed coaches a few times in the last 5 years. think that might have something to do with it?
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I guess what I am saying is that even with coaching changes and attrition. If Vandy can beat Fla, etc. We should be able to beat them. We made Florida's back up QB look like an All American and they weren't totally healthy when we played them either. So is it the coaching changes, attrition, or playing teams when they are healthy the reason for our struggles. Vandy puts 11 on 11 just like we do.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
A deep ball is a deep ball regardless of who you are playing...so far he has only thrown one or two that looked even close accurate....and don't act like Auburns pass defense is anywhere close to elite....Murray without any wrs carved them up for over 400 yards and plenty of average qbs have also had a lot of success against them.....not to mention, I am not sensing any killer instinctive from Dobbs....something that Ferguson reportedly possesses......
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Aaron Murray is a 5th-year senior, the owner of several SEC records, and one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Are you serious with this comparison right now?
 
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orange_glory said:
Maybe Butch really did want to save Fergy's redshirt
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He wouldn't do any better my friend. No matter how accurate you are if you are if the WR can't catch the ball then it doesn't matter. Fergy will get in the game and struggle because he has no mobility.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
Aaron Murray is a 5th-year senior, the owner of several SEC records, and one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Are you serious with this comparison right now?
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Personally, I've been let down by his running ability too. Did you see how well Tebow, Cam Newton, and Vince Young ran from the QB position? So much better than Dobbs imo.
 
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orange_glory said:
I guess what I am saying is that even with coaching changes and attrition. If Vandy can beat Fla, etc. We should be able to beat them. We made Florida's back up QB look like an All American and they weren't totally healthy when we played them either. So is it the coaching changes, attrition, or playing teams when they are healthy the reason for our struggles. Vandy puts 11 on 11 just like we do.
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Florida's D was completely healthy when we played them. they lost alot more players by the time Vandy played them. not even close to the team we played.

Plus your arguement was, why some teams don't rebuild they reload. the examples you gave have not had the attrition from coaching changes like we have, and before you give me Auburn. that is completely different also. those players were recruited for that system by that coach who was the OC 2 years ago.
 
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alwaysvol said:
Florida's D was completely healthy when we played them. they lost alot more players by the time Vandy played them. not even close to the team we played.

Plus your arguement was, why some teams don't rebuild they reload. the examples you gave have not had the attrition from coaching changes like we have, and before you give me Auburn. that is completely different also. those players were recruited for that system by that coach who was the OC 2 years ago.
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Yes I agree with Auburn and Ohio St comes to mind(not so much the system but the coaching change).
 
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