‘23 JUCO OT Larry Johnson III ( Tennessee commit)

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engineerVOL said:
Dontavius Blair‘s black stripe remains on his helmet to this day.
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I went to quite a few practices under Butch. D Blair was maddening to watch. He would look completely dominant for 4 or 5 plays in good v good and then completely miss the OL coverage call for 3. He was very gifted athletically but very unmotivated to learn the scheme which was admittedly tough on OL.
 
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Based on last years update it looks like they updated juco 12/13-12/15 ish. Curious to see how they evaluate him
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's an interesting take.

Did you notice that our class/recruits took a huge bump with the recent rerank? Think about that. The exact same class. The exact same recruits. All that changed was their rankings. Not their skills or attributes.

The rankings changed.

By your logic, that means that our class got more prone to win, and our staff became better recruiters, all because some websites changed their evaluation of some players.

You guys argue that correlation proves causation and then whistle past the graveyard about the facts that challenge your assumptions.
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I don’t understand how this disproves the correlation between total talent based on ranking winning vs not. Rankings are finished at the end of the year and clearly our staff is good at evaluating talent

I’m an eternal optimist as well and I too buy into a staff and give them the benefit of the doubt. But until that fact is proven wrong on a consistent basis I will believe it’s true
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
I don’t understand how this disproves the correlation between total talent based on ranking winning vs not. Rankings are finished at the end of the year and clearly our staff is good at evaluating talent

I’m an eternal optimist as well and I too buy into a staff and give them the benefit of the doubt. But until that fact is proven wrong on a consistent basis I will believe it’s true
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It doesn't disprove the correlation. I admitted the correlation, as a matter of fact.

It does clearly highlight the difference between correlation and causation. And whether they want to admit it or not, the "better get ranked classes or else, because history shows a corellation between class rankings and championships" crowd are actually arguing that that correlation is causing the winning of championships.

But the reranking clearly shows a loose coupling between ranking and actual attributes. The ranking is a variable. It is a perception. And it changes independent from what actually effects the future team's results.

Are you claiming that the final ranking is what affects future game results? We should trust the overall process as the ultimate criteria, even though the process includes repeated statements such as, "We were wrong repeatedly, but trust us on our final word"?

The important questions become:

Did our players become more championship quality because the websites changed their opinions?
Did our coaches become better recruiters because some websites changed their opinions to agree with them?
Or did the websites implicitly admit that our staff were better in these cases at finding and grading talent?

Further, if the answers to the above questions were: No, No, Yes

Then the natural next question would be:

Who will we generally trust more to find and grade the talent that will make up our recruiting classes? The websites, or the staff that the websites changed their opinions to more closely align with?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It doesn't disprove the correlation. I admitted the correlation, as a matter of fact.

It does clearly highlight the difference between correlation and causation. And whether they want to admit it or not, the "better get ranked classes or else, because history shows a corellation between class rankings and championships" crowd are actually arguing that that correlation is causing the winning of championships.

But the reranking clearly shows a loose coupling between ranking and actual attributes. The ranking is a variable. It is a perception. And it changes independent from what actually effects the future team's results.

Are you claiming that the final ranking is what affects future game results? We should trust the overall process as the ultimate criteria, even though the process includes repeated statements such as, "We were wrong repeatedly, but trust us on our final word"?

The important questions become:

Did our players become more championship quality because the websites changed their opinions?
Did our coaches become better recruiters because some websites changed their opinions to agree with them?
Or did the websites implicitly admit that our staff were better in these cases at finding and grading talent?

Further, if the answers to the above questions were: No, No, Yes

Then the natural next question would be:

Who will we generally trust more to find and grade the talent that will make up our recruiting classes? The websites, or the staff that the websites changed their opinions to more closely align with?
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I have more faith in the evaluations of the staff obviously. But here’s one key factor everyone fails to consider. Often times staffs take the best of who they can get. You want a better chance at winning? You need to be beating out the big schools for the talented recruits.

Which I think we’re starting to do again for the most part
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
I have more faith in the evaluations of the staff obviously. But here’s one key factor everyone fails to consider. Often times staffs take the best of who they can get. You want a better chance at winning? You need to be beating out the big schools for the talented recruits.

Which I think we’re starting to do again for the most part
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So, your answer is that you have more faith in our staff's evaluations, as long as those evaluations agree with the other staffs that you have more faith in.

OK. That's your choice.

I agree that the staff gets who they can get. And I agree that we will win some and lose some. But there will always come the time that you have to answer whether you trust the rankings more than the staff, and whether you trust other staffs more than our staff.

My point is that THAT is the actual point people are making, when they actually claim that they are making informed claims about our future success. They are doing no such thing. They are admitting an incompetence in rating talent, and arguing a preference for the "authority" they want to appeal to.

To take it back to my original point. We have a 2 month old account, named after a town in GA, bashing our recruits because UGA's staff is the standard for our faith.

Kick rocks with that.
 
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yourstruly23 said:
Hubbs and AP are acting like he may or may not be a take on their Podcast. Did LJ3 jump the gun?
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I said the same thing earlier in this thread. And I felt that before I listened to the pod. Like - he wasn’t recruited out of high school abs barely recruited in JUCO. He might not understand the process.

The staff hasn’t really acknowledged the commitment on Twitter. Last person they didn’t do that to was Stallings. I think he might’ve jumped the gun.
 
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yourstruly23 said:
Hubbs and AP are acting like he may or may not be a take on their Podcast. Did LJ3 jump the gun?
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Yeah, usually AP has a video already with an actual take, per the coaches. This may be a thing, where it's an "offer" that may or may not be committable, based on Transfer Portal or other Tackles that may become available.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
I said the same thing earlier in this thread. And I felt that before I listened to the pod. Like - he wasn’t recruited out of high school abs barely recruited in JUCO. He might not understand the process.

The staff hasn’t really acknowledged the commitment on Twitter. Last person they didn’t do that to was Stallings. I think he might’ve jumped the gun.
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It happened with Gerald Mincey last year, and people were questioning if he jumped the gun as well. We see how that worked out.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
I said the same thing earlier in this thread. And I felt that before I listened to the pod. Like - he wasn’t recruited out of high school abs barely recruited in JUCO. He might not understand the process.

The staff hasn’t really acknowledged the commitment on Twitter. Last person they didn’t do that to was Stallings. I think he might’ve jumped the gun.
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Must’ve missed it. Have they acknowledged the TE or kicker? Maybe they announce them all at once after the portal ends.
 
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yourstruly23 said:
Hubbs and AP are acting like he may or may not be a take on their Podcast. Did LJ3 jump the gun?
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A few years ago a HS sophomore went to several P5 camps and when he returned from each camp he posted on Twitter that he had received scholarship offers. Several ACC and SEC schools. Coaches had to call his HS coach to find out what was going on. The player thought that since he had been invited to the camp that the schools were offering him. He just did not know
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, your answer is that you have more faith in our staff's evaluations, as long as those evaluations agree with the other staffs that you have more faith in.

OK. That's your choice.

I agree that the staff gets who they can get. And I agree that we will win some and lose some. But there will always come the time that you have to answer whether you trust the rankings more than the staff, and whether you trust other staffs more than our staff.

My point is that THAT is the actual point people are making, when they actually claim that they are making informed claims about our future success. They are doing no such thing. They are admitting an incompetence in rating talent, and arguing a preference for the "authority" they want to appeal to.

To take it back to my original point. We have a 2 month old account, named after a town in GA, bashing our recruits because UGA's staff is the standard for our faith.

Kick rocks with that.
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Calm down and get off the homer high horse

1) I trust our staff
2) I trust the staff at Alabama and Georgia
3) it’s proven that the highest overall rated classes do better
4) we are closing the gap
5) but they are still getting more five stars and high for stars and we are
6) I think we’ll get there

People argue for each individual 3 star, I do too. But you can’t ignore that the more 4 and 5 stars you have the better chance you have at hitting
 
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So now we're uncertain if we're actually taking him or not?


It would take me ten minutes just to run around this guy.
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
Calm down and get off the homer high horse

1) I trust our staff
2) I trust the staff at Alabama and Georgia
3) it’s proven that the highest overall rated classes do better
4) we are closing the gap
5) but they are still getting more five stars and high for stars and we are
6) I think we’ll get there

People argue for each individual 3 star, I do too. But you can’t ignore that the more 4 and 5 stars you have the better chance you have at hitting
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Is it?

According to 247's talent composite, OSU has the 3rd most talented roster. Michigan has the 13th most talented roster.

UT has the 19th most talented roster according to 247. Bama is #1. LSU is #8. UF is # 14. USCe is #21. Clemson btw is #5.

TCU btw is #32. OU is 9. Texas is 6.

Others of "note". Nebraska is 24th. Stanford is 23rd. Auburn is 18th. Miami is 12th.

And your 4th most talented team in the country according to the authoritative ranking of 247's composite scores is.... Texas A&M.
 
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