Just So Everyone Knows, Gruden is a .500 head coach.

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Gruden, who has never coached defense, had the following offensive rankings in Tampa Bay: 18/18/23/20/31/18/19

guy can really coach em up! He is brian billick with some charm...total joke people are gaga over this guy
 
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PowerSweep said:
Gruden, who has never coached defense, had the following offensive rankings in Tampa Bay: 18/18/23/20/31/18/19

guy can really coach em up! He is brian billick with some charm...total joke people are gaga over this guy
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Surely you understand the difference in coaching players that you had little hand in choosing (NFL), and coaching players who you single-handedly chose and groomed to fit what you want to do (college). The college game provides no salary cap restrictions, much less parity, and advantages provided in terms of facilities and amenities that other schools can't compete with. The NFL is a much more level playing field, and coaches habe less power and control of things, thus creating a greater level if parity.
 
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PowerSweep said:
Gruden, who has never coached defense, had the following offensive rankings in Tampa Bay: 18/18/23/20/31/18/19

guy can really coach em up! He is brian billick with some charm...total joke people are gaga over this guy
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You're a complete fool. Look at who his QB's were. He won the Super Bowl with Brad Johnson FFS. He went to the playoffs with Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia.
 
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Is comparing him to his nfl peers ok? I mean...an offensive guru who couldn't even get his offenses to the average mark in 7 yrs? Good Lord some of you are idiots
 
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Boston Vol said:
You're a complete fool. Look at who his QB's were. He won the Super Bowl with Brad Johnson FFS. He went to the playoffs with Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia.
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He won the super bowl w a crappy offense on the back of a "best in the league" defense and as those guys got older his teams mostly sucked...his offenses were hard to watch...lack of talent...ok, he took mediocre or sub par players and collectively molded them into a consistent collection of sub par offenses...

What distinguishes his record from brian billick, a man that no one is trying to hire?
 
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He was something like 60 million under the salary cap at Tampa, and still won a Superbowl. The guy is good, maybe he won't be at the college level, but ripping him because he built an NFL team to contender status, maintaining an above .500 winning percentage, and winning a Superbowl is just crazy.
 
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He had crap talent in Tampa. You can bet that with a Super Bowl ring, and his charisma, he would have top 5 talent at UT. There is the difference in college coaching and NFL coaching.

A bad coach couldn't win a Super Bowl with the best talent in the league, though.
 
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PowerSweep said:
Is comparing him to his nfl peers ok? I mean...an offensive guru who couldn't even get his offenses to the average mark in 7 yrs? Good Lord some of you are idiots
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Sure its ok, but it still means nothing as it relates to translating to the college game.

He controls EVERYTHING in college coaching. NFL only allows him to manage what the owners want. If the owners are comfortable with Brad Johnson, Chris Simms, and Jeff Garcia, then the coach has no control. I think you have to admit that that personnel puts him behind the 8-ball and he overcame it to finish with a record north of .500. In the NFL, career records above .500 are generally considered successful careers.
 
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PowerSweep said:
He won the super bowl w a crappy offense on the back of a "best in the league" defense and as those guys got older his teams mostly sucked...his offenses were hard to watch...lack of talent...ok, he took mediocre or sub par players and collectively molded them into a consistent collection of sub par offenses...

What distinguishes his record from brian billick, a man that no one is trying to hire?
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Brian Billick had the best Personnel Director in the game, Ozzie Newsome, running the show. He still ran the team into the ground. Gruden had a s***show of a front office that drafted Carnell Williams instead of Aaron Rodgers.
 
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He's not coming anyway so this is all a moot point...but he didnt build jack squat in tampa...he inherited the best defense in the league and rode it to the super bowl...the yr before gruden got there they were 15th in the league on offense and after he got there they were never higher than 18th...guy can coach em up, little doubt about that
 
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Boston Vol said:
Brian Billick had the best Personnel Director in the game, Ozzie Newsome, running the show. He still ran the team into the ground. Gruden had a s***show of a front office that drafted Carnell Williams instead of Aaron Rodgers.
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Great...tell me all those all pro offensive guys newsome drafted as billick took dilfer to a super bowl win...I'll be waiting
 
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PowerSweep said:
He's not coming anyway so this is all a moot point...but he didnt build jack squat in tampa...he inherited the best defense in the league and rode it to the super bowl...the yr before gruden got there they were 15th in the league on offense and after he got there they were never higher than 18th...guy can coach em up, little doubt about that
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The biggest reason Tampa won the Super Bowl was Jon Gruden. Don't believe me just look at the quotes from Sapp, Barber, Rice, Brooks, and Lynch. They all say he provided that organization with something Dungy never had.
 
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Hopvol said:
A couple of you apparently never done any research on NFL winning percentages. Guy Chamberlin is #1 with .784, that is just slightly higher than Fulmers's .745 but you really cant even compare college to the NFL. Totally different animal.

So, just looking at the NFL. John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin were tied at the beginning of the season at .688. The NFL is tough, there are no gimmies.

I dont get why anyone would question hiring Gruden. It would be the biggest hire in college football ever.
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And how many wins does that guarantee? ZERO! Just saying, he is probably a bigger unknown than most of the other candidates mentioned.
 
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The biggest hire in college football ever...THE BIGGEST HIRE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL EVER... holy cow that is so retarded it's hard to know whether to laugh or just feel sorry for you
 
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oregonvol said:
Ah, it's so cute how the Doolovers have a new purpose in life - to question the record of a Super Bowl champion coach.

Don't worry Doolovers, Gruden may take Dooley's job, but that doesn't mean you have to replace that big poster of Dooley you've got hanging over your bed.
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Wipe your chin, you have some JG on there.
 
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PowerSweep said:
The biggest hire in college football ever...THE BIGGEST HIRE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL EVER... holy cow that is so retarded it's hard to know whether to laugh or just feel sorry for you
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Lets just use your argument that Gruden actually isn't that good of a coach. Does that matter? It has been proven all you need is superior talent and an above average coaching staff to succeed. Do you really think Gruden couldn't recruit or put together a top notch staff? Just look at the list of all the average or below average coaches that have won National Titles.
 
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No I don't think there is any evidence at all that he can suddenly out recruit bama fla ga lsu because he is an engaging mnf personality...for the record dooley imo one of the 5-10 worst coaches in sec history...had I been named head coach in jan 2010 I would have done no worse than 4 wins in 3 yrs at UT...but we can and should hire a proven ncaa coach
 
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When comparing HC records, would it be going out on a limb to say that CBS at OK is comparable to CPF at UT? Stoops has a higher winning percentage over almost as many games (about 40 less than CPF). Would he be such a bad guy to get for maybe less money? He is also a GOOD Defensive guy in the SEC.
 
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PowerSweep said:
No I don't think there is any evidence at all that he can suddenly out recruit bama fla ga lsu because he is an engaging mnf personality...for the record dooley imo one of the 5-10 worst coaches in sec history...had I been named head coach in jan 2010 I would have done no worse than 4 wins in 3 yrs at UT...but we can and should hire a proven ncaa coach
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Since you're apparently averse to looking things up:

We beat UGA in recruiting in 2010 and LSU in recruiting in 2012.

And that's with one of the worst HFC in SEC history at the helm.
 
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mgu7 said:
Pete Carroll .489
Nick Saban .469
Butch Davis .414
Lane Kiffin .250
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Big difference in temp coaches and one who was there 11 years. If you just took a look at Gruden's first two seasons, he was .500 with no post-season appearances.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
Big difference in temp coaches and one who was there 11 years. If you just took a look at Gruden's first two seasons, he was .500 with no post-season appearances.
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Oh yes, his first two seasons at Oakland he was 8-8 each year right after they went 4-12 the previous year. And hadn't had a winning record in 4 years prior to that. Then after those two 8-8 years he won 12 and then 10 in Oakland.

And when they fired him in Tampa Bay it came off of two consecutive 9-7 records. The year after Gruden was out - record was 3-13.
 
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So we were collectively 0-3 against all of them, 0-3 against two and 1-2 against 2...what a great point you have made there...only someone delusional thinks we are going to suddenly start consistently outrecruiting teams w massive in state talent edges and who have stable coaching situations

DC Vol said:
Since you're apparently averse to looking things up:

We beat UGA in recruiting in 2010 and LSU in recruiting in 2012.

And that's with one of the worst HFC in SEC history at the helm.
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