Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Vladimir Lenin and Donald Trump - Socialist Comrades

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MontyPython said:
Donald Trump is not a Republican. He's a Socialist.

He is now hell-bent on changing our nation from a free-market Democratic Republic to a Socialist collective.

Proof certain:

(1) Trump continues to advocate for the $600/week federal unemployment insurance. Combined with the average state benefits around $400, the average unemployed American was being paid around $52,000 per year TO NOT WORK. This is insane! Given the federal minimum wage is $7.25 - equivalent to roughly $16,000/annually - why would any low-wage people work at this point? I've seen this first hand here in NC, where adults simply refuse to take jobs that are available and, instead, sit at home on their ass and collect $1,000/week. With adults unavailable from the work pool, guess who's working instead? That's right: Kids! 14 and 15 year olds are now having to pick up the slack from lazy ass adults.

Why is this happening? Trump's (and Democrats') pure Socialist policy of paying (read: rewarding) the unemployed to not work.

(2) On Monday, Trump floated the possibility of taking unilateral action if a deal could not be made with Democrats, claiming he has the power to step in and curtail Congress should there be a need. The president specifically noted the moratorium on housing evictions that recently expired. Trump said:

"A lot of people are going to be evicted but I’m going to stop it because I’ll do it myself if I have to," Trump said at the White House. "I have a lot of powers with respect to executive orders and we’re looking at that very seriously right now."

This is equally insane and another example of pure Socialist policy. Sure, preventing renters from being evicted will help renters, but what about the owners? Obviously, such a policy harms all property owners who rent out to tenants. Moreover, it again rewards renters for NOT PAYING THEIR RENT, and most importantly, ENCOURAGES RENTERS NOT TO PAY THEIR RENT. Why would anyone pay their rent anymore if there is no consequence for NOT paying rent?!? If Trump were to prevent evictions via Executive Order, he would clearly cement himself as a dyed-in-the-wool Socialist. Period.

This is unabashed Socialism.

(3) Finally, the obvious huge fallacy in Trump's "logic": If he succeeds in continuing the $600/week fed unemployment money, why would he even consider an executive order preventing evictions?!? Under this scenario, the average two-person household IF UNEMPLOYED, could be receiving $2,000/PER WEEK TO SIT ON THEIR ASS AND DO NOTHING! This is $8,000+ per month. How the hell could "normal people" not afford to pay their rent, if they're collecting $8K/month in unemployment benefits?

Answer: Trump is a Socialist plain and simple. The facts speak for themselves.

Rewarding people to remain unemployed for extended periods of time is NOT the American way. If Trump and Democrats have their way, this situation will continue through AT LEAST the beginning of 2021 if not longer.

We don't live in a Socialist collective. This is a capitalist society, and it needs to stay that way.

Trump is a damn fool.
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You are correct. Now tell me, because I'm curious, what would you do differently?
 
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Roustabout said:
A Democrat who appointed constitutional judges, supports strong borders,opposes socialized medicine, and wants to get us out of bad trade deals. Has also managed to keep us out of new conflicts. Removed oppressive regulations. Made us energy independent. Now Is fixing prescription prices.
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In other words, a JFK/Larry McDonald style Democrat that wouldn't have made it out of the primaries today.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In other words, a JFK/Larry McDonald style Democrat that wouldn't have made it out of the primaries today.
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Pretty much. I loathe trump as a person, but at least he isn’t some pretty packaged candidate like Obama who secretly hates America.

When I look at what he’s accomplished despite a pandemic and constant attacks and attempts to undermine his presidency, it’s pretty amazing.
 
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MontyPython said:
Donald Trump is not a Republican. He's a Socialist.

He is now hell-bent on changing our nation from a free-market Democratic Republic to a Socialist collective.

Proof certain:

(1) Trump continues to advocate for the $600/week federal unemployment insurance. Combined with the average state benefits around $400, the average unemployed American was being paid around $52,000 per year TO NOT WORK. This is insane! Given the federal minimum wage is $7.25 - equivalent to roughly $16,000/annually - why would any low-wage people work at this point? I've seen this first hand here in NC, where adults simply refuse to take jobs that are available and, instead, sit at home on their ass and collect $1,000/week. With adults unavailable from the work pool, guess who's working instead? That's right: Kids! 14 and 15 year olds are now having to pick up the slack from lazy ass adults.

Why is this happening? Trump's (and Democrats') pure Socialist policy of paying (read: rewarding) the unemployed to not work.

(2) On Monday, Trump floated the possibility of taking unilateral action if a deal could not be made with Democrats, claiming he has the power to step in and curtail Congress should there be a need. The president specifically noted the moratorium on housing evictions that recently expired. Trump said:

"A lot of people are going to be evicted but I’m going to stop it because I’ll do it myself if I have to," Trump said at the White House. "I have a lot of powers with respect to executive orders and we’re looking at that very seriously right now."

This is equally insane and another example of pure Socialist policy. Sure, preventing renters from being evicted will help renters, but what about the owners? Obviously, such a policy harms all property owners who rent out to tenants. Moreover, it again rewards renters for NOT PAYING THEIR RENT, and most importantly, ENCOURAGES RENTERS NOT TO PAY THEIR RENT. Why would anyone pay their rent anymore if there is no consequence for NOT paying rent?!? If Trump were to prevent evictions via Executive Order, he would clearly cement himself as a dyed-in-the-wool Socialist. Period.

This is unabashed Socialism.

(3) Finally, the obvious huge fallacy in Trump's "logic": If he succeeds in continuing the $600/week fed unemployment money, why would he even consider an executive order preventing evictions?!? Under this scenario, the average two-person household IF UNEMPLOYED, could be receiving $2,000/PER WEEK TO SIT ON THEIR ASS AND DO NOTHING! This is $8,000+ per month. How the hell could "normal people" not afford to pay their rent, if they're collecting $8K/month in unemployment benefits?

Answer: Trump is a Socialist plain and simple. The facts speak for themselves.

Rewarding people to remain unemployed for extended periods of time is NOT the American way. If Trump and Democrats have their way, this situation will continue through AT LEAST the beginning of 2021 if not longer.

We don't live in a Socialist collective. This is a capitalist society, and it needs to stay that way.

Trump is a damn fool.
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This post tells me that you really don't understand politics.

UPDATE — The White House and its GOP allies appear to be retreating from their opposition to a $600 per week supplemental unemployment benefit that has propped up both the economy and family budgets but is expiring Friday. Read the latest here.
With aid expiring, the White House offered a short-term extension Thursday of a $600 weekly unemployment benefit that has helped keep families and the economy afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic, but Democrats rejected it, saying President Donald Trump’s team failed to grasp the severity of the crisis.
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Second stimulus check updates: Democrats reject White House offer for one-week extension of $600 weekly unemployment benefit, press for more sweeping bill

Notice the words "retreating from their opposition..."

Then there's this from his treasury secretary:

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Sunday threw cold water on the prospect of extending $600-per-week unemployment benefits for Americans for the duration of the COVID-19 pandemic.

In an interview with ABC's "This Week," Mnuchin suggested that the payments, which expired last week, led to some out-of-work Americans being "overpaid" and indicated that he believed they were slowing the return of workers to the labor market.
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Mnuchin on $600 unemployment benefit: We can't be 'paying people more to stay home'

You think a Biden appointed Treasury Secretary would say something like that? So, why do you suppose Trump is saying one thing and his Secretary of $$ says something else? Think maybe it's because there's a big election coming up and Trump is on the ballot and Mnuchin is not?

As a fiscal conservative tax payer we're screwed no matter what but the lesser of two evils are the Republicans.
 
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Sea Ray said:
This post tells me that you really don't understand politics.



Second stimulus check updates: Democrats reject White House offer for one-week extension of $600 weekly unemployment benefit, press for more sweeping bill

Notice the words "retreating from their opposition..."

Then there's this from his treasury secretary:



Mnuchin on $600 unemployment benefit: We can't be 'paying people more to stay home'

You think a Biden appointed Treasury Secretary would say something like that? So, why do you suppose Trump is saying one thing and his Secretary of $$ says something else? Think maybe it's because there's a big election coming up and Trump is on the ballot and Mnuchin is not?

As a fiscal conservative tax payer we're screwed no matter what but the lesser of two evils are the Republicans.
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Mnunchin stole a half trillion untraceable and Trump signed off on it. No "fiscal conservative" would be applauding anything about their actions
 
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Sea Ray said:
This post tells me that you really don't understand politics.



Second stimulus check updates: Democrats reject White House offer for one-week extension of $600 weekly unemployment benefit, press for more sweeping bill

Notice the words "retreating from their opposition..."

Then there's this from his treasury secretary:



Mnuchin on $600 unemployment benefit: We can't be 'paying people more to stay home'

You think a Biden appointed Treasury Secretary would say something like that? So, why do you suppose Trump is saying one thing and his Secretary of $$ says something else? Think maybe it's because there's a big election coming up and Trump is on the ballot and Mnuchin is not?

As a fiscal conservative tax payer we're screwed no matter what but the lesser of two evils are the Republicans.
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In case you haven't been paying attention the past 3.5 years, Trump ALWAYS tries to straddle issues and be able to say that he took one side or the other depending on which way the wind is blowing.

His saber-rattling aside, everything Donald does is SOLELY geared towards himself. Namely getting re-elected.

And, oh BTW, which President elect promised to balance the budget, yet ran up over a $1 trillion dollar deficit last year? Hmmmmmmmm... I'll give you a hint... it's the President that already ran a bunch of his own companies into the ground, and now he's doing the same thing to the United States government.
 
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MontyPython said:
In case you haven't been paying attention the past 3.5 years, Trump ALWAYS tries to straddle issues and be able to say that he took one side or the other depending on which way the wind is blowing.

His saber-rattling aside, everything Donald does is SOLELY geared towards himself. Namely getting re-elected.

And, oh BTW, which President elect promised to balance the budget, but ran up over a $1 trillion dollar deficit last year? Hmmmmmmmm...
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When was the last time we actually had a budget?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
These things are often present in socialism, but they are not what makes socialism. Socialism is about who controls the means of production. Having tons of welfare and huge tax rates itself are not socialism.
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Social programs and high income taxes for the wealthy are tenets of socialism.
 
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Super secret evil liberal meeting has been moved to secret lair #5. Don't forget to burn a flag or two before bringing your questions/suggestions, Comrades.
 
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MontyPython said:
In case you haven't been paying attention the past 3.5 years, Trump ALWAYS tries to straddle issues and be able to say that he took one side or the other depending on which way the wind is blowing.

His saber-rattling aside, everything Donald does is SOLELY geared towards himself. Namely getting re-elected.

And, oh BTW, which President elect promised to balance the budget, yet ran up over a $1 trillion dollar deficit last year? Hmmmmmmmm... I'll give you a hint... it's the President that already ran a bunch of his own companies into the ground, and now he's doing the same thing to the United States government.
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Like I said, it's politics. Look at the HEROES bill. That tells you how much the Dems would spend if they could. It's all on paper for you to see. Republicans are your best best if you're a fiscal conservative
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Social programs and high income taxes for the wealthy are tenets of socialism.
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Yes, but those tenants alone are not sufficient to be called socialism. Socialism specifically requires that the collective control the means of production. A huge burdensome welfare state subsidized by private sector free markets is NOT socialism.
 
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Roustabout said:
Pretty much. I loathe trump as a person, but at least he isn’t some pretty packaged candidate like Obama who secretly hates America.

When I look at what he’s accomplished despite a pandemic and constant attacks and attempts to undermine his presidency, it’s pretty amazing.
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I honestly don't see how that guy still gets out of bed each morning. Especially since this corona nonsense.
 
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#45
Sea Ray said:
Like I said, it's politics. Look at the HEROES bill. That tells you how much the Dems would spend if they could. It's all on paper for you to see. Republicans are your best best if you're a fiscal conservative
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The last 40 years prove exactly the opposite.

80-92 GOP (red)
92-00 DEM (blue)
00-08 GOP
08-16 DEM
16-20 GOP

Read em and weep...

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#46
Hate to break the news to you guys, but Congress sets the budget not the President. The only “surplus” you see on that chart is from when Newt ran the house.
 
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Does anyone wanna tell 8 who starts the process by proposing the budget and who ends it by signing it...
 
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MontyPython said:
The last 40 years prove exactly the opposite.

80-92 GOP (red)
92-00 DEM (blue)
00-08 GOP
08-16 DEM
16-20 GOP

Read em and weep...

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You need to brush up on civics. The House of Representatives control the purse strings. Republicans held the House from 1995 through 2006. Dems have controlled the House the past two yrs. Wise up
 
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SamRebel35 said:
These things are often present in socialism, but they are not what makes socialism. Socialism is about who controls the means of production. Having tons of welfare and huge tax rates itself are not socialism.
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SamRebel35 said:
Yes, but those tenants alone are not sufficient to be called socialism. Socialism specifically requires that the collective control the means of production. A huge burdensome welfare state subsidized by private sector free markets is NOT socialism.
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We may have finally found a conservative who actually knows what Socialism is.
 
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