Kavanaugh Confirmation

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AirVol said:
BK was honest too.

Serious question LG, do you believe everything Ford said under oath?
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Serious answer, I'm not sure what facts to believe. It was a long time ago and so I'm not sure we can ever feel like we are confident in knowing the accurate facts.

Unlike everyone else, however, I do not question the sincerity of either K or Ford. I think she genuinely believes it happened as she remembers it and I do not think she was put up to it by the Clintons, etc. On the other hand, I think K believes fully in his denials and is not hiding something.

To me, the Dems' demand for more inquiries etc is silly because its not going to help prove whether it happened or not. On the other hand, the GOP's claims that the Dems had this lady fabricate it I find equally absurd.

People hoping for a smoking gun were never going to get what they wanted. It annoys me when either side claims they found one because that is just not, and never was going to be, true.
 
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BearCat204 said:
One side has bias without any fact.....hint, it's your side
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He doesn't have principle on his side, so he can only disparage the one who does. That was the reason for the delayed counselor... I was pointing out a supposed US attorney that belittled a person for supporting the principle of "innocent until proven guilty".

He is so far from the principle he is supposed to operate under that he mocks those who aren't. He is Luther. A man so devoid of principles that his only defense is to claim that no one else has them either.
 
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lawgator1 said:
People hoping for a smoking gun were never going to get what they wanted. It annoys me when either side claims they found one because that is just not, and never was going to be, true.
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I agree. The problem for me is that smart people always knew this was the case, yet some Democrats were still hellbent on exploiting the process.
 
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Roustabout said:
Sounds like Kavanaugh is the victim of a smear campaign.
Ramirez best friend doesn’t recall any such thing happening. But, BKs roommate says while he didn’t see it, Ramirez wouldn’t lie. Why would that even be entertained?
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Yah. No apparent vendetta from the roommate.

Ramirez accusation: I wasnt there but she wouldn't lie.

k testimony about yearbook: I wasnt there but he's lying.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Serious answer, I'm not sure what facts to believe. It was a long time ago and so I'm not sure we can ever feel like we are confident in knowing the accurate facts.

Unlike everyone else, however, I do not question the sincerity of either K or Ford. I think she genuinely believes it happened as she remembers it and I do not think she was put up to it by the Clintons, etc. On the other hand, I think K believes fully in his denials and is not hiding something.

To me, the Dems' demand for more inquiries etc is silly because its not going to help prove whether it happened or not. On the other hand, the GOP's claims that the Dems had this lady fabricate it I find equally absurd.

People hoping for a smoking gun were never going to get what they wanted. It annoys me when either side claims they found one because that is just not, and never was going to be, true.
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Our side doesn’t need a “smoking gun,” regardless of how you want to define this dog and pony show. The burden rests with the “prosecution” to prove their allegations. Dry-eyed whimpering in a 10 year old’s voice doesn’t move the needle of veracity. Most of us called it from the onset, and have, unsurprisingly, been accurate.

The cloak and dagger BS has been perpetuated by your side.
 
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Our side doesn’t need a “smoking gun,” regardless of how you want to define this dog and pony show. The burden rests with the “prosecution” to prove their allegations. Dry-eyed whimpering in a 10 year old’s voice doesn’t move the needle of veracity. Most of us called it from the onset, and have, unsurprisingly, been accurate.

The cloak and dagger BS has been perpetuated by your side.
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That was my thought as well. What smoking gun does anyone need, except those who are desire praying that the confirmation gets blocked?

A person accused of a crime, presumed innocent, doesn't need a smoking gun. The prosecutors do.

Dumb to try to act like the anti-K crowd is on the same playing field as everyone else.
 
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GAVol said:
I agree. The problem for me is that smart people always knew this was the case, yet some Democrats were still hellbent on exploiting the process.
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Squints said:
Our side doesn’t need a “smoking gun,” regardless of how you want to define this dog and pony show. The burden rests with the “prosecution” to prove their allegations. Dry-eyed whimpering in a 10 year old’s voice doesn’t move the needle of veracity. Most of us called it from the onset, and have, unsurprisingly, been accurate.

The cloak and dagger BS has been perpetuated by your side.
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As I say, I believe she was sincere and genuinely believes her memory of it is correct. Just as I believe his denial is sincere.

Both political parties played political partisan games. Blaming it all on one side or the other just shows you fell for it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Everybody has bias in this situation.

I just don't trust the people that wrap themselves in the flag and claim to defend theirs as grounded "in the principle of personal liberties our country is founded on."

And that goes for you and for Trump. No one believes either of you.
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From your own statements you don’t believe Luther either then.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I say, I believe she was sincere and genuinely believes her memory of it is correct. Just as I believe his denial is sincere.

Both political parties played political partisan games. Blaming it all on one side or the other just shows you fell for it.
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Lol... I never said both sides weren't political as hell. Believe it or not, having a difference of opinion is not indicative of a difference in intelligence or gullibility.
 
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I highly recommend watching this for everyone but Luther , I don’t think you can make it all the way through this one buddy without smashing your phone with a hammer .
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Notice how the guy looks down and away all the time while responding to questions...

(for you liberals..that means he is lying.)
 
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lawgator1 said:
Serious answer, I'm not sure what facts to believe. It was a long time ago and so I'm not sure we can ever feel like we are confident in knowing the accurate facts.

Unlike everyone else, however, I do not question the sincerity of either K or Ford. I think she genuinely believes it happened as she remembers it and I do not think she was put up to it by the Clintons, etc. On the other hand, I think K believes fully in his denials and is not hiding something.

To me, the Dems' demand for more inquiries etc is silly because its not going to help prove whether it happened or not. On the other hand, the GOP's claims that the Dems had this lady fabricate it I find equally absurd.

People hoping for a smoking gun were never going to get what they wanted. It annoys me when either side claims they found one because that is just not, and never was going to be, true.
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Do the obvious lies (boof, ralph, devil's triangle, Renate Alumnus) have no force for you?
 
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