Kavanaugh Confirmation

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Vol_Doc said:
Many do take measures. It's reported that half of abortion patients were using contraception. Now, were they using it correctly? Dunno. There are also rape and incest victims, though that's likely a small percentage. My step sister's first child was actually a pre-marital "accident." No abortion. Turned into an amazing young man. Do some use abortion as contraception? Sure, but I doubt it's the majority.
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I agree i doubt it's the majority and I'm pro-choice for rape victims and incest. None of my pregnancies came at ideal times. For me, not a good enough reason to eliminate a life.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The flaw in our government is giving small population states the same power as large population states. It was done to keep the slave holding states happy and in the union. Now, all it does is arbitrarily dilute the power of progressive voters and enhance the power of conservatives.

The justification for that has not existed for 150 years. It's time to reform the Senate and the electoral process to stop minority rule.
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You are nothing but ignorant, the electoral college was put in place when all states were slave holding.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Perhaps i should qualify this further. I see a responsibility with the ability to create life. I have a problem with those who end up pregnant because they weren't responsible enough to take measures to prevent it. Then it's just a "problem" to be dealt with at said abortion clinic. Said abortion clinic receives my tax dollars for their irresponsibility under
" family planning" if find that ironic, it's family elimination.
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So you’re touching on how I feel. Personally my wife and I are pro life. But we both understand a role abortion plays.

I understand there are very valid reasons for abortion. I think the people who best should decide that are the mother father and doctor.

But I desperately want the unborn child to have real advocacy in that discussion. And abortion as a matter of convenience is total bull **** to me.

And as far as laws I believe the Feds should be 100% quiet in this matter. And supply zero funds. Let each state handle their own citizens and fund whatever they decide they want to do.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Once the human spermatazoa implants into the human ova human life has been created and it can only develop into a human, not a cow. I'm also pro choice. I chose not to eliminate my children though.
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Either vol_doc is arguing from intellectual dishonesty, or he/she is not a doctor. It's a genetic human. He's argued from the absurd, ignoring the difference between a human organism with a beating heart and a human heart with no organism. Now he's ignoring the difference between a genetic human life and a cow.

I find it interesting that doc accused religious arguments being the ones that define when life begins, but he's ignoring scientific arguments with religious zeal.

It's a wasted conversation.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So you’re touching on how I feel. Personally my wife and I are pro life. But we both understand a role abortion plays.

I understand there are very valid reasons for abortion. I think the people who best should decide that are the mother father and doctor.

But I desperately want the unborn child to have real advocacy in that discussion. And abortion as a matter of convenience is total bull **** to me.

And as far as laws I believe the Feds should be 100% quiet in this matter. And supply zero funds. Let each state handle their own citizens and fund whatever they decide they want to do.
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No, that's no different from where we are now. I do not want one red cent of my tax dollars whether state or federal to pay for an abortion.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
No, that's no different from where we are now. I do not want one red cent of my tax dollars whether state or federal to pay for an abortion.
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I don’t want to fund it either. I believe all fed funds should be stopped ASAP. As a republic I think we should let the states figure it out for their case.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I don’t want to fund it either. I believe all fed funds should be stopped ASAP. As a republic I think we should let the states figure it out for their case.
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Then you are simply trading federal tax dollars for state. How does that keep me from paying for abortions?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Either vol_doc is arguing from intellectual dishonesty, or he/she is not a doctor. It's a genetic human. He's argued from the absurd, ignoring the difference between a human organism with a beating heart and a human heart with no organism. Now he's ignoring the difference between a genetic human life and a cow.

I find it interesting that doc accused religious arguments being the ones that define when life begins, but he's ignoring scientific arguments with religious zeal.

It's a wasted conversation.
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Interesting take on it. Sorry, if I've offended you.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Then you are simply trading federal tax dollars for state. How does that keep me from paying for abortions?
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I live in TX. I’d guess if states had the ability to set their own rules I won’t be paying for abortions.

I won’t live in CA, MA, NY, etc... where it would be an issue.

That’s all I’m saying is that as a constitutional republic a choice like this belongs with the state’s not the Feds.
 
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hog88 said:
You are nothing but ignorant, the electoral college was put in place when all states were slave holding.
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I always find amusement in how loosely the word “progressive” is thrown around. There’s nothing progressive about places like California where inflation is constantly skyrocketing, taxes are absurd, and homelessness, mental illness, and drug use is rampant.
 
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C-south said:
I always find amusement in how loosely the word “progressive” is thrown around. There’s nothing progressive about places like California where inflation is constantly skyrocketing, taxes are absurd, and homelessness, mental illness, and drug use is rampant.
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It could mean progressively downward. Seems to be where they are heading.
 
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Avenatti's 2020 POTUS dreams looking dim

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/06/politics/democrats-avenatti-swetnick-accusation/index.html

love this part

Reached for comment Saturday, Avenatti pushed back, criticizing anonymous Democrats as "cowards" and saying the assessment shows the "failed leadership" in the Democratic Party.
"It is outrageous that these so-called Democrats would attack a sexual assault victim from coming forward," Avenatti told CNN. "I guess their position is that she should have shut her mouth and remained silent? It is disgusting that these cowards blame my client and the other accusers from coming forward.""
 
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Vol_Doc said:
Interesting take on it. Sorry, if I've offended you.
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You haven't offended me at all. I've merely pointed out that you've argued from the absurd with religious zeal. It's quite obvious, yet not offensive. It makes for a waste of time in discussion, but isn't offensive.

As a doctor, I'm sure you know the generally accepted definition of differing cell types. That a zygote is neither sperm nor egg, thus it is a completely new, genetically specific, and genetically human cell. The fact that the zygote goes through internal changes that prevent other sperm from entering--these internal changes prove that it's a living cell. Thus, we have a genetically specific, genetically human, living cell. A separate, genetically human life has begun. It's not a scientific question at all. It could be a religiously zealous denial. But it's a scientifically settled matter.

I'm sure, as a doctor, you understand the accepted definitions and distinctions between cells and organisms. In lay speak, its a living system of interrelated and subordinate properties working together for a predefined purpose. Since there is no factory in the mother/host producing organs, limbs, etc for the embryo, and all of these are developed from the zygote forward, it is scientifically defined that as far back as the zygote, a genetically specific, genetically human organism, which was alive since the single celled level, and is alive to be orchestrating the system of its own development, has formed.

Thus, as early as the zygote level, the genetic and scientific definition of a living human organism has been established.

To say, "people disagree so we really shouldn't set a line on this" is ridiculous logic, by the way.

Good evening doc.
 
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volinbham said:
Avenatti's 2020 POTUS dreams looking dim

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/06/politics/democrats-avenatti-swetnick-accusation/index.html

love this part

Reached for comment Saturday, Avenatti pushed back, criticizing anonymous Democrats as "cowards" and saying the assessment shows the "failed leadership" in the Democratic Party.
"It is outrageous that these so-called Democrats would attack a sexual assault victim from coming forward," Avenatti told CNN. "I guess their position is that she should have shut her mouth and remained silent? It is disgusting that these cowards blame my client and the other accusers from coming forward with evidence and some measure of credibility""
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FIFY avenetti
 
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