Kavanaugh Confirmation

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InVOLuntary said:
I mean, It's all a form of subsidy. Just like the child tax credit. May as well take away the housing deduction. I went for years without enough of deductions to itemize because we paid off our house in our mid 40's. Our only deduction was our child tax credit for several years. Why do we reward people for being 1000s of dollars in debt. Would we not be better served by rewarding people for not being in debt?
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The flip side is you are discouraging people to not have any assets, like a home, car, etc. Sounds like you want to punish people for being in debt due to buying a home, etc. If you do that our economy completely falls apart. Not to mention the thousands of small businesses that are in debt from capital investments. I might be reading your post wrong, but that is a recipe for disaster.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Oh I don’t think anybody on the conservative side underestimates the liberals , they have been mad and screeching since 2016 so it’s nothing new to say they are mad . What is new is when conservatives get mad , that’s what happened in 2016 and what the liberals just caused to happen again . It’s a funny circle to watch , libs poke and poke and poke the bear until it stands up and slaps them then they have the nerve to act like it wouldnt or shouldnt happen . The Bear lays back down ( because that’s what conservatives do ) and they start poking all over again just because it laid back down .
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I think it's more like the bear was startled out of hibernation and pooped on himself in the midst of his confused state.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I just have to laugh at folks on the right calling Obama the most divisive President.

Trump's entire presidency is insulting people and sticking his thumb in their eye.

I get that it's satisfying to you to have someone like him just constantly provoke and antagonize moderates and progressives. We'll see how that works out for you.
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You’re a partisan hack so you can’t see it but Trump is just more of the same when it comes to insults. The problem you have is those insults are now aimed at you.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
The flip side is you are discouraging people to not have any assets, like a home, car, etc. Sounds like you want to punish people for being in debt due to buying a home, etc. If you do that our economy completely falls apart. Not to mention the thousands of small businesses that are in debt from capital investments. I might be reading your post wrong, but that is a recipe for disaster.
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So you don't think people are assets?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I just have to laugh at folks on the right calling Obama the most divisive President.

Trump's entire presidency is insulting people and sticking his thumb in their eye.

I get that it's satisfying to you to have someone like him just constantly provoke and antagonize moderates and progressives. We'll see how that works out for you.
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So if you had a son he wouldn’t look like Trump? Barry was the most divisive race baiter that ever held office. He didn’t leave much of solid base from his community organizer days either.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Oh I don’t think anybody on the conservative side underestimates the liberals , they have been mad and screeching since 2016 so it’s nothing new to say they are mad . What is new is when conservatives get mad , that’s what happened in 2016 and what the liberals just caused to happen again . It’s a funny circle to watch , libs poke and poke and poke the bear until it stands up and slaps them then they have the nerve to act like it wouldnt or shouldnt happen . The Bear lays back down ( because that’s what conservatives do ) and they start poking all over again just because it laid back down .
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This argument works the exact same way for both sides. The Right is still pissed about Obama and Hillary, two years later. The right is still poking the bear, as you say. The division is real and intense. We have a President that lost the popular vote, won the electoral college handily, and the Senate just passed a SCOTUS pick by two votes. There isn't some broad overreaching mandate here. We are bitterly divided. November is a toss-up.
(And don't go at me on the electoral college, I'm completely fine with our system.)
 
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zeppelin128 said:
The flip side is you are discouraging people to not have any assets, like a home, car, etc. Sounds like you want to punish people for being in debt due to buying a home, etc. If you do that our economy completely falls apart. Not to mention the thousands of small businesses that are in debt from capital investments. I might be reading your post wrong, but that is a recipe for disaster.
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Also, no I'm not advocating small business interest deductions being taken away. That's a cost of doing business. We removed the auto interest deduction years ago. If you can't afford a home/child withoutthe government subsidizing the cost, maybe you shouldn't purchase a home or have a child.

My point in saying this is not that I advocate taking the interest deduction away. It's to point out people are always for taxes that don't affect them. If you have a child, you want the tax credit. If you have a mortgage, you want the interest deduction. I don't have either.

Our government shapes behavior by taxing. They encourage people to purchase a home by offering a the interest deduction. I don't think people are having babies for that $2,000 credit you get. If you ever had a child $2,000 you would kniw that $2000 is a drop in the bucket.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
This argument works the exact same way for both sides. The Right is still pissed about Obama and Hillary, two years later. The right is still poking the bear, as you say. The division is real and intense. We have a President that lost the popular vote, won the electoral college handily, and the Senate just passed a SCOTUS pick by two votes. There isn't some broad overreaching mandate here. We are bitterly divided. November is a toss-up.
(And don't go at me on the electoral college, I'm completely fine with our system.)
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I’m most curious about what is going to happen in these tossup House races.
 
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C-south said:
Lol not me. I just think that 2 people working the exact same job with the exact same income should have the exact same tax burden.
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What if it's not the same job.

Should a guy investing in real estate, whose investment home appreciates $100,000 pay the same on that as the guy who makes $100,000 day trading in REITs, and the same as the guy who was paid $100,000 to paint the house?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I just have to laugh at folks on the right calling Obama the most divisive President.

Trump's entire presidency is insulting people and sticking his thumb in their eye.

I get that it's satisfying to you to have someone like him just constantly provoke and antagonize moderates and progressives. We'll see how that works out for you.
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The ones that are butt hurt are the ones he's telling the truth about.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What if it's not the same job.

Should a guy investing in real estate, whose investment home appreciates $100,000 pay the same on that as the guy who makes $100,000 day trading in REITs, and the same as the guy who was paid $100,000 to paint the house?
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Sure as long as the guy is selling the home for $100,000 profit. Why would you tax income differently based on how it was earned? Jealousy?
 
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luthervol said:
I think it's more like the bear was startled out of hibernation and pooped on himself in the midst of his confused state.
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I don’t think it’s himself he pooped on when he woke up . That’s why we see protesters scratching and beating on the locked doors of the S.C. .
 
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lawgator1 said:
What if it's not the same job.

Should a guy investing in real estate, whose investment home appreciates $100,000 pay the same on that as the guy who makes $100,000 day trading in REITs, and the same as the guy who was paid $100,000 to paint the house?
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Did the guy investing in real estate realuze 100k profit on the sale of the asset or was it simple appreciation?
Primary residence/vacation home/investment property?
Owned as individual, LLC, S Corp or C corp?
Did he pay his county and city property taxes while he owned?
Has he fully depreciated the asset?
Is he cashing out or reinvesting the money into another property or business?
 
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