Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

[Volinnooga]

Would their missing players have made a difference tonight?

missing RJ was not what lost this game.

I didn’t say it did. I merely asked if her presence would have made a difference.

 

[UTtoDC]

Would their missing players have made a difference tonight?

missing RJ was not what lost this game.

If RJ played, TN would have won this game going away, and that debacle after being 16 pts doesn't happen! She would have gotten buckets against the ND D pretty easily and helped stop the bleeding.

Now, both teams had star players out, so it comes out in the wash.

I'm more frustrated that Jewel S sat on the bench during their 3rd quarter comeback when our offense was sputtering and the egregious lack of T/Os at the end of the game.

 

[Orange_Mamba]

That extension is looking lovely.

 

[TNRazor]

This is getting old. It's like this every year all over again. In a close game against a quality opponent we have no chance. Pull the plug Danny.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

If RJ played, TN would have won this game going away, and that debacle after being 16 pts doesn't happen! She would have gotten buckets against the ND D pretty easily and helped stop the bleeding.

Now, both teams had star players out, so it comes out in the wash.

I'm more frustrated that Jewel S sat on the bench during their 3rd quarter comeback when our offense was sputtering and the egregious lack of T/Os at the end of the game.

Agree with your last paragraph.

With ND missing 3 players, a coach with a pulse could have coached UT to a win tonight.

 

[Majors]

I didn’t say it did. I merely asked if her presence would have made a difference.

All things equal of a healthy roster by both. We lose

 

[Majors]

That extension is looking lovely.

Meaningless. Hollys would have expired last year had she coached through her contract extension.

 

[SoCalVolFan]

Adequate coach? Wow

What I should have said was Coach Harper has topped out on her abilities. The Lady Vols will probably win 20 games or so on the season, which on a national level is pretty good but for us is just an adequate job. I am not sure she is the answer to our championship aspiration. We are good but not great or elite.

 

[Butch s]

What I should have said was Coach Harper has topped out on her abilities. The Lady Vols will probably win 20 games or so on the season, which on a national level is pretty good but for us is just an adequate job. I am not sure she is the answer to our championship aspiration. We are good but not great or elite.

She is not the answer to our championship aspirations, and we are not good

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Meaningless. Hollys would have expired last year had she coached through her contract extension.

My point was she didn’t deserve the extension. She was mid before she got extended the team went on a little run then bam a new contract. Like, they didn’t take into account her body of work before then.

 

[volman128]

My point was she didn’t deserve the extension. She was mid before she got extended the team went on a little run then bam a new contract. Like, they didn’t take in account her body of work before then.

We love rewarding mediocrity at UT

 

[Orange_Mamba]

I truly think the discourse surrounding her coaching ability from the media will start happening now. You can say we didn’t have Kea, but those girls was up 15 without her.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

Kellie's not going to accomplish squat here, unless people are already so far removed from the idea of being elite that making an odd Sweet Sixteen is good enough.

 

[brieeallen]

Kellie needs to be fired immediately

 

[dapeak]

I said what I said when I said what I said. Fire her.

 

[Deebowbear]

Kellie's not going to accomplish squat here, unless people are already so far removed from the idea of being elite that making an odd Sweet Sixteen is good enough.

May not make that

 

[Volfan1000]

This is getting old. It's like this every year all over again. In a close game against a quality opponent we have no chance. Pull the plug Danny.

Who does Danny White realistically go after if he decides to move on from Harper after this season?

 

[brittannica]

Who does Danny White realistically go after if he decides to move on from Harper after this season?

This is his chance to prove he cares about women’s sports, and Tennessee basketball (for women at least) is not a poverty program. I would like to see a swing for the fences move similar to what US soccer did for the women’s national team. Try to poach Becky Hammond; it likely wouldn’t be successful, but you never know. Based on a cursory Google, Kellie makes more than Hammond. Sell a coach on the challenge of restoring the program to its former glory. This shouldn’t be hard unless we want to tie our own hands by sticking to people with ties to the program.

 

[glv98]

Who does Danny White realistically go after if he decides to move on from Harper after this season?

Jon Grudin. Heard he was spotted at Island Home Airport.

Seriously, if/when White moves on, I honestly don't think the old guard insisting on Pat ties will have that much pull. Not that many of them left, and they're getting old! Debby Jennings was actually a classmate of mine at UT when I had some communications classes so you know she's old.

Honestly I think Fulmer only gave in to them bc he didn't care that much, was way more concerned about football and keeping Rick Barnes. KJH had a magical run at Mo State and made it easy for Fulmer who had no desire to fend off the old guard.

 

[Orange Maniac]

This is his chance to prove he cares about women’s sports, and Tennessee basketball (for women at least) is not a poverty program. I would like to see a swing for the fences move similar to what US soccer did for the women’s national team. Try to poach Becky Hammond; it likely wouldn’t be successful, but you never know. Based on a cursory Google, Kellie makes more than Hammond. Sell a coach on the challenge of restoring the program to its former glory. This shouldn’t be hard unless we want to tie our own hands by sticking to people with ties to the program.

Hammond was my first choice when Holly was let go. She may have come then, but not so sure about now. I don't anticipate a head coaching change at this time. Kellie is winning just enough to hang on.

 

[Orange_Mamba]

We really lost that game.

 

[volman128]

We really lost that game.

The bad part was when we were up by 12 at halftime I told my brother "betcha we'll still lose". That's the state of our program now.

 

[Rixxx]

Kellie's not going to accomplish squat here, unless people are already so far removed from the idea of being elite that making an odd Sweet Sixteen is good enough.

It seems from the outside looking in that the women are successful in the classroom which is super important. If the team continues to win 20 games a season and makes the NCAA tournament the AD is probably satisfied with status quo. They are student athletes who were recruited to play basketball while working towards a degree on scholarship. I know all that sounds naive, but I am trying to think like the AD does.

 

[Coach Jumper]

It seems from the outside looking in that the women are successful in the classroom which is super important. If the team continues to win 20 games a season and makes the NCAA tournament the AD is probably satisfied with status quo. They are student athletes who were recruited to play basketball while working towards a degree on scholarship. I know all that sounds naive, but I am trying to think like the AD does.

If the AD thinks that way,,,for such a program as TN's
Then HE needs to look for work!
This is a Final four program,,,not an NCAA also ran program

 

[Majors]

It seems from the outside looking in that the women are successful in the classroom which is super important. If the team continues to win 20 games a season and makes the NCAA tournament the AD is probably satisfied with status quo. They are student athletes who were recruited to play basketball while working towards a degree on scholarship. I know all that sounds naive, but I am trying to think like the AD does.

That means the Thornton Center tudors are doing their job. And the girls understand academics are what allows them to stay on the team.