Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

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movinonup said:
Do I think men are better coaches than women --- big NO. Do I think Pat was the best coach man or woman ever----absolutely.

Having said that, I think any woman we hire will always be compared to Pat. It may be time to have a man coach to step out of her shadow.
I know I am going to get killed for this, but I said what I said.
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I hope you aren’t killed. I am 100% behind Kellie but I wouldn’t care whether a coach was a male or female.
I sort of agree with the comparison to Pat thing in that Holly probably had the worst situation in the history of first head coaching jobs. I don’t know how long that comparison to Pat thing hangs on.
 
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Look at what Rick insell does year in and year out at MTSU.. by no means should he get the UT job (too old) but we need someone who can develop and recruit the way he does.
Darby and Tamia Scott looked like they should be wearing the opposite teams jersey. That MTSU team only has 2 seniors. They could very likely beat us again next year.
 
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They need someone up there thats a former player under Pat Summit that's been in the WNBA and won championships in college and at the pro level. But also someone who can recruit any payer in the top 20 in the nation and also the top female junior cllege players.....That **** on the HILL is a absolute disgrace to the program that Pat Summit built literally from the ground up Get Harper the **** out of there and hire a black women's coach up there on the HILL that's played for Pat Summit before. These other "coaches" i've seen listed above have absolutely nothing to do with the Lady Vols program. Keep it in house and fix it!
 
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franklinboy said:
They need someone up there thats a former player under Pat Summit that's been in the WNBA and won championships in college and at the pro level. But also someone who can recruit any payer in the top 20 in the nation and also the top female junior cllege players.....That **** on the HILL is a absolute disgrace to the program that Pat Summit built literally from the ground up Get Harper the **** out of there and hire a black women's coach up there on the HILL that's played for Pat Summit before. These other "coaches" i've seen listed above have absolutely nothing to do with the Lady Vols program. Keep it in house and fix it!
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So your talking about Candace Parker, Kara Lawson at best and most of the others either don't want to coach or are coaching bad teams right now. Lawson not having a great season at Duke thus far and Parker has never coached even though I think she could. I know she could recruit.
 
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Someone correct my math if I’m wrong:

We lose 6 scholarship players after this year, with one current commit coming, that will leave us with 8 open scholarships for next year.. we didn’t even fill the scholarships this year (by 3)
 
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Lucy said:
I hope you aren’t killed. I am 100% behind Kellie but I wouldn’t care whether a coach was a male or female.
I sort of agree with the comparison to Pat thing in that Holly probably had the worst situation in the history of first head coaching jobs. I don’t know how long that comparison to Pat thing hangs on.
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You never want to be the coach following the legend coach, you can never live up to the expectations. But Pat anointed her so there she was. Kellie comes in having played for Pat so she has some of the same expectations. Next coach needs to have no ties to LVols or Pat.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
You never want to be the coach following the legend coach, you can never live up to the expectations. But Pat anointed her so there she was. Kellie comes in having played for Pat so she has some of the same expectations. Next coach needs to have no ties to LVols or Pat.
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Holly was the best coach for the moment. All Kellie had to do was be better than Holly. Holly did the hard part of following the legend.
 
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Majors said:
Holly was the best coach for the moment. All Kellie had to do was be better than Holly. Holly did the hard part of following the legend.
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She did well with Pats players couldn't do much with her on. Kellie didn't inherit a good roster or culturr and hasn't been able to build one a good roster since although she did get the culture back under control. Holly would still be here if she could've kept the sweet sixteens going. She somehow got in the tourney with a 7 and 9 SEC record went out quickly. We still don't know how that team got in the tourney. Kellie looks to be headed toward that kind of season and then we can start over next season with someone new again.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
She did well with Pats players couldn't do much with her on. Kellie didn't inherit a good roster or culturr and hasn't been able to build one a good roster since although she did get the culture back under control. Holly would still be here if she could've kept the sweet sixteens going. She somehow got in the tourney with a 7 and 9 SEC record went out quickly. We still don't know how that team got in the tourney. Kellie looks to be headed toward that kind of season and then we can start over next season with someone new again.
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Pat was a shell of herself the last two years. Those teams should probably fall under Holly but Pat was the “Head Coach” just in name.
 
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Majors said:
Pat was a shell of herself the last two years. Those teams should probably fall under Holly but Pat was the “Head Coach” just in name.
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No problem saying that is true. I do know the recruiting started going south in Holly's last three seasons a little worse each one. We haven't done anything much in Kellie's five other than the portal. Holly did leave her Horston and Key which without them she probably would not be her now.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
No problem saying that is true. I do know the recruiting started going south in Holly's last three seasons a little worse each one. We haven't done anything much in Kellie's five other than the portal. Holly did leave her Horston and Key which without them she probably would not be her now.
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Also left her Burrell and Rennia Davis…who Kellie gets credit for their WNBA draft
 
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Majors said:
Also left her Burrell and Rennia Davis…who Kellie gets credit for their WNBA draft
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That team did some good things beat Indiana on the road. I think we had a third place SEC finish. I agree overall was far more talent on that team than the current one. Just wasn't a lot of depth off the bench that could really play.
 
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franklinboy said:
They need someone up there thats a former player under Pat Summit that's been in the WNBA and won championships in college and at the pro level. But also someone who can recruit any payer in the top 20 in the nation and also the top female junior cllege players.....That **** on the HILL is a absolute disgrace to the program that Pat Summit built literally from the ground up Get Harper the **** out of there and hire a black women's coach up there on the HILL that's played for Pat Summit before. These other "coaches" i've seen listed above have absolutely nothing to do with the Lady Vols program. Keep it in house and fix it!
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Dumbest post of the thread. Why not hire the best coach regardless of who it is?
 
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OldNSlow said:
Dumbest post of the thread. Why not hire the best coach regardless of who it is?
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If the UTAD wants to stay true to CPS's vision, a woman HC would be a priority and that does not mean they would not be the "best" candidate. There are lots of great woman coaches out there and until there is a level playing field (i.e.,, where a woman coach can legitimately compete for a D! men's job, I think there is a good case for prioritizing a woman head coach at the program CPS built as a launch pad for women's athletics.

But, I think it is high time to loosen the "Tennessee ties" requirement if and when, a new coach is hired.
 
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Does anyone actually know what CKH buyout is? I’ve seen some speculation but nothing concrete.
just curious.
 
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madtownvol said:
If the UTAD wants to stay true to CPS's vision, a woman HC would be a priority and that does not mean they would not be the "best" candidate. There are lots of great woman coaches out there and until there is a level playing field (i.e.,, where a woman coach can legitimately compete for a D! men's job, I think there is a good case for prioritizing a woman head coach at the program CPS built as a launch pad for women's athletics.

But, I think it is high time to loosen the "Tennessee ties" requirement if and when, a new coach is hired.
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There's certain coaches you should never want to follow at certain Universities...

CPS at Tennessee..
Geno at UCONN...
Saban at Alabama...

Plus there are more...I would never fathom following these successful coaches , it's a no win situation...
 
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