Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

[mudcat1973]

This post seems to discredit the legacy of Pat Summitt.

Just telling like it like I remember lady Vols dip some when Demoss left. Now Pat hire CCaldwell or ok it. Demoss was a part of six champs hips she went out on her own made wildcats better she left cats on her own . As far Pat Summit part of a head coach job hire your assistants Demoss had enough guts to be a head coach away from Tennessee As recalled Holly had offers to leave Tennessee before Pat Summit got sick. Pat Summit was great at getting players to play their best andand game coaching. Pat Summit was Very good recruiter too. Pat Summit a coach that draw players to rocky top. Their many stories of Pat recruiting and landing recruits. Did not say Caldwell land Parker I said she help I think I remember Pat and Parker Grandma on the same page. It does not hurt Pat Summit story by telling Demoss was a better coach assistant than Holly. Does anyone believe Holly was better coach than Demoss?

 

[Majors]

Just telling like it like I remember lady Vols dip some when Demoss left. Now Pat hire CCaldwell or ok it. Demoss was a part of six champs hips she went out on her own made wildcats better she left cats on her own . As far Pat Summit part of a head coach job hire your assistants Demoss had enough guts to be a head coach away from Tennessee As recalled Holly had offers to leave Tennessee before Pat Summit got sick. Pat Summit was great at getting players to play their best andand game coaching. Pat Summit was Very good recruiter too. Pat Summit a coach that draw players to rocky top. Their many stories of Pat recruiting and landing recruits. Did not say Caldwell land Parker I said she help I think I remember Pat and Parker Grandma on the same page. It does not hurt Pat Summit story by telling Demoss was a better coach assistant than Holly. Does anyone believe Holly was better coach than Demoss?

Only as good as those around you. One coach was with her through it all…not sure anyone can dispute that with a spin of another coach was the reason.

 

[NoBackBoard]

Banghart is 1-3 over their last 4 games and hasn’t done anything at UNC and has had some great recruiting classes the last 2 or 3 years. How is she any better?

She’s not, they just want anyone but Kellie. She does better recruiting, but Kellie’s winning percentage is superior.

In year 5 at UNC, Banghart has only won 64% of her games (82-46) and 55% of games in conference (39-32).

She made a Sweet 16 in 2022.

Kellie is also in year 5 and has won 68% of her games (92-44) and 70% of games in conference (43-18).

Kellie had us in the Sweet 16 the past two seasons.

The ACC is a slightly tougher conference than the SEC. However, Banghart should have better numbers to be qualified to lead the Lady Vols.

We can do better.

 

[mudcat1973]

Only as good as those around you. One coach was with her through it all…not sure anyone can dispute that with a spin of another coach was the reason.

It not spin telling Demoss was a better coach than Holly. Holly was able To help Pat get eight champs hips does mean she a better coach than Demoss.Could not Holly leaving Tennessee and improving the wildcats like Demoss did.

 

[knoxvol52]

Just telling like it like I remember lady Vols dip some when Demoss left. Now Pat hire CCaldwell or ok it. Demoss was a part of six champs hips she went out on her own made wildcats better she left cats on her own . As far Pat Summit part of a head coach job hire your assistants Demoss had enough guts to be a head coach away from Tennessee As recalled Holly had offers to leave Tennessee before Pat Summit got sick. Pat Summit was great at getting players to play their best andand game coaching. Pat Summit was Very good recruiter too. Pat Summit a coach that draw players to rocky top. Their many stories of Pat recruiting and landing recruits. Did not say Caldwell land Parker I said she help I think I remember Pat and Parker Grandma on the same page. It does not hurt Pat Summit story by telling Demoss was a better coach assistant than Holly. Does anyone believe Holly was better coach than Demoss?

DeMoss done all the groundwork on recruits, Pat just was a great closer ...

 

[Majors]

It not spin telling Demoss was a better coach than Holly. Holly was able To help Pat get eight champs hips does mean she a better coach than Demoss.Could not Holly leaving Tennessee and improving the wildcats like Demoss did.

How’d that end for Demoss? On and off the court? That 4 year sample size is what you’re going to hang the stance on?

 

[Coach Jumper]

Thanks. I'm quite sincere.

As am I, feathersax
There is no fear in me,
Not of failure, not of success.

 

[Majors]

As am I, feathersax
There is no fear in me,
Not of failure, not of success.

Need to brush up that sense of urgency. Tomorrow is too late to fix yesterdays problems.

 

[mudcat1973]

How’d that end for Demoss? On and off the court? That 4 year sample size is what you’re going to hang the stance on?

Demoss did want to stay a long time. Do Not know Why she took a break at KY but not all coaches want to be a head coach long term like Demoss. Or cut out for it like Holly Demoss was only at KY wildcats a short time.Demoss did not want to stay longer she left on her own turn. She never tried to be a head coach again maybe she did want to be head coach sure more headaches in the head coach job. So comparing Demoss KY wildcats time vs Holly head coach Demoss improve the Wildcats bar was set high for Holly but fights between players not not Holly's fault. But Westbrook's saying something needs to done Holly lost support of her players. As I say Demoss left KY wildcats better than she found it. Can not say the same for Holly

 

[Majors]

Demoss did want to stay a long time. Do Not know Why she took a break at KY but not all coaches want to be a head coach long term like Demoss. Or cut out for it like Holly Demoss was only at KY wildcats a short time.Demoss did not want to stay longer she left on her own turn. She never tried to be a head coach again maybe she did want to be head coach sure more headaches in the head coach job. So comparing Demoss KY wildcats time vs Holly head coach Demoss improve the Wildcats bar was set high for Holly but fights between players not not Holly's fault. But Westbrook's saying something needs to done Holly lost support of her players. As I say Demoss left KY wildcats better than she found it. Can not say the same for Holly

Demoss off the court is why she stepped away from KY. Westbrook locker room interview seemed to be maybe a Evina character issue more than a Holly issue.

Last part is very telling, as of you use that same logic then Kellie is half the coach Holly is. S16 has been her pinnacle while Holly had multiple E8. Demoss took over a bottom of the barrel team, she could only improve. Holly took over for as some say here the greatest coach the game, male or female.

 

[mudcat1973]

DeMoss done all the groundwork on recruits, Pat just was a great closer ...

Pat got good assistant coaches she had eye for good coaches she got Caldwell . Caldwell help get Parker but Pat Summit close deal there . Pat Summit and Parker Grandma tag team CP went she was complaining about Pat Summit was being hard on CP getting best player out of Parker. Pat Summit was like by players family the player's family trust in Summit help get alot of her players. No one will disagree Pat Summit Players thought the world of her.

 

[mudcat1973]

Demoss off the court is why she stepped away from KY. Westbrook locker room interview seemed to be maybe a Evina character issue more than a Holly issue.

Last part is very telling, as of you use that same logic then Kellie is half the coach Holly is. S16 has been her pinnacle while Holly had multiple E8. Demoss took over a bottom of the barrel team, she could only improve. Holly took over for as some say here the greatest coach the game, male or female.

I said the bar was set. High on Holly . Kellie and Tennessee took over at two different times and One was clear ly better shade than the other. Alot of Kellie fate depends on how the Vols do in the SEC season Sure Danny White going to be watching how they play with Jackson back. if Jackson doesn't come back or gets reinjured Vols nose drive down SEC standings Kellie more than likely might be gone. One thing Kellie had bad luck every year here. But she one who needs to get more better bench players if she makes to next year.

 

[Majors]

I said the bar was set. High on Holly . Kellie and Tennessee took over at two different times and One was clear ly better shade than the other. Alot of Kellie fate depends on how the Vols do in the SEC season Sure Danny White going to be watching how they play with Jackson back. if Jackson doesn't come back or gets reinjured Vols nose drive down SEC standings Kellie more than likely might be gone. One thing Kellie had bad luck every year here. But she one who needs to get more better bench players if she makes to next year.

So as I said, those almost 4 years at Ky not sure is enough to say she is better than Holly based on results.

 

[VolPhin865]

Really this is Kelly's 4th season, as its kind of hard to count the COVID season as being a typical/regular season, but with that being said, I'm not rushing to any judgements yet...see how the rest of this season plays out. If we don't make the tournament and/or have a losing record, then I'm sure Danny White will have a decision to make. With all of that being said, we definitely need to see a more exciting product on the court. It has been very dull lately. I took my great niece to her first Lady Vols game vs Ohio State and even she kinda got bored watching.

 

[mudcat1973]

So as I said, those almost 4 years at Ky not sure is enough to say she is better than Holly based on results.

Just going what more than likely Demoss would had good run there if off court she could stayed there. Does not mean she wins champs hips. She never had coach long enough for us to know.

 

[mudcat1973]

So as I said, those almost 4 years at Ky not sure is enough to say she is better than Holly based on results.

One thing the Holly or Tennessee name still got good players coming in during Holly time as head coach. The day of unconn and Tennessee getting their pick of most All American s is Over.

 

[Coach Jumper]

One thing the Holly or Tennessee name still got good players coming in during Holly time as head coach. The day of unconn and Tennessee getting their pick of most All American s is Over.

Not necessarily MC.
Elite players still want to play with elite organizations.
If we become the great, we once were...."If you build it, they will come"

 

[Voluble2]

Demoss off the court is why she stepped away from KY. Westbrook locker room interview seemed to be maybe a Evina character issue more than a Holly issue.

Last part is very telling, as of you use that same logic then Kellie is half the coach Holly is. S16 has been her pinnacle while Holly had multiple E8. Demoss took over a bottom of the barrel team, she could only improve. Holly took over for as some say here the greatest coach the game, male or female.

What were the off court problems you refer to with Demoss? That is something I have not heard about. I don't follow other teams so don't know anything about what happened at KY.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Demoss off the court is why she stepped away from KY. Westbrook locker room interview seemed to be maybe a Evina character issue more than a Holly issue.

Last part is very telling, as of you use that same logic then Kellie is half the coach Holly is. S16 has been her pinnacle while Holly had multiple E8. Demoss took over a bottom of the barrel team, she could only improve. Holly took over for as some say here the greatest coach the game, male or female.

Elvina v Warlick was a simple clash between a dominant leader-player playing for a weak leader-coach

 

[Majors]

Elvina v Warlick was a simple clash between a dominant leader-player playing for a weak leader-coach

That was played out in the media like a professional athlete wanting a trade or holding out for a bigger contract. Addition by subtraction her leaving for leaving for UConn. We probably differ on what a dominate leader is.

 

[Coach Jumper]

That was played out in the media like a professional athlete wanting a trade or holding out for a bigger contract. Addition by subtraction her leaving for leaving for UConn. We probably differ on what a dominate leader is.

that was her personality,,,not her ability
I always thought she thought she was better than what she actually was

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

that's the first intelligent thing posted here yet

 

[T_Vol376]

Who’s MTSU’s coach - sounds like they’ve had a couple of good wins.

Hall of Fame Coach Rick Insell

 

[SATXVolFan82]

What’s yall opinion on Lynne Roberts? HC of Utah…..just watched an interview during the game with SC. I like her attitude. What you guys think? yay nay????

 

[NoBackBoard]

What’s yall opinion on Lynne Roberts? HC of Utah…..just watched an interview during the game with SC. I like her attitude. What you guys think? yay nay????

I don’t know much about her but would be open to her interviewing.