Kentucky down by 18 to Miami (OH)

[hatvol96]

Sounds like a fun weekend, but my wife would disapprove.

If you can't follow that route, there are some here who will hail you as the next big thing if you have a father who was a consistently so so coach for a thousand years, have one big year in a second tier conference, then take a senior laden team with a soft conference schedule and still manage to miss the NCAA Tournament.

 

[getyopopcornready]

I have never understoond this reasoning. If a guy keeps winning, wherever he goes in the college ranks, he's good. Recruiting is such a large portion of college coaching, it makes no sense to try and separate it from any evaluation.

Cal built powerhouses at Memphis and UMass. What more evidence do you need?

When you say "keeps" winning, do you mean padding the wins against those tough conference foes in the A-10 and Conf USA?

Recruiting has a lot to do with it when you recruit the Derrick Rose's/Tyreke Evans and put him out there against conf usa/div 2 level talent 20 games a year. We'll see if he wins 30 games again, ever.

 

[hatvol96]

When you say "keeps" winning, do you mean padding the wins against those tough conference foes in the A-10 and Conf USA?

Recruiting has a lot to do with it when you recruit the Derrick Rose's/Tyreke Evans and put him out there against conf usa/div 2 level talent 20 games a year. We'll see if he wins 30 games again, ever.

Yeah, because Cal's record against the SEC while he was at Memphis was really awful.

 

[hatvol96]

When you say "keeps" winning, do you mean padding the wins against those tough conference foes in the A-10 and Conf USA?

Kind of like having one good year in a down MVC, then getting a job that's way over your head?

 

[getyopopcornready]

A good opportunity? Pull UMASS's records for the 10 years preceding John's hiring and tell me what a great job that was to take. Also, we'll see where BCG is in five years and where Tom Davis' retard spawn is. One will have a good job and making the NCAA with regularity, while the other will be following in his father's footsteps at some meaningless jerkwater outpost subjecting fans to the garbage system that family has foisted on the basketball public for nearly 40 years now.

O yea, I forgot about the immediate results Cal had after taking the job. I'm sorry, but comparing Cal to Tom McLaughlin and Ray Wilson doesn't do much for me.

 

[emainvol]

You mean the 1st and 2nd? I don't think Cal has ever been to the final 4. Or, atleast the record books don't show it.

I subscribe to the "If that Duke team with Corey Maggette gets to count their Final Four, Cal should, too" line of thinking.

 

[getyopopcornready]

Kind of like having one good year in a down MVC, then getting a job that's way over your head?

You're the one that keeps bringing Pearl back into the discussion. I never once said Pearl is a great coach. Just that Cal isn't one.

 

[hatvol96]

O yea, I forgot about the immediate results Cal had after taking the job. I'm sorry, but comparing Cal to Tom McLaughlin and Ray Wilson doesn't do much for me.

That's because you're a typical Tennessee sheep. When Cal is done at UK, he will have reasserted them as the dominant program in the league, run Billy Munster and Brillo Head Bruce out of the conference, and forced UK to build a new wing on their already loaded trophy case.

 

[hatvol96]

I subscribe to the "If that Duke team with Corey Maggette gets to count their Final Four, Cal should, too" line of thinking.

Or the "if Tennessee gets to count their two Sweet 16 appearances with Ramar Smith..."

 

[getyopopcornready]

Yeah, because Cal's record against the SEC while he was at Memphis was really awful.

O ok, well look out for Bob Hoffman then. He's just getting started with his great record against the SEC.

 

[cotton]

When you say "keeps" winning, do you mean padding the wins against those tough conference foes in the A-10 and Conf USA?

Recruiting has a lot to do with it when you recruit the Derrick Rose's/Tyreke Evans and put him out there against conf usa/div 2 level talent 20 games a year. We'll see if he wins 30 games again, ever.

That might hold some water if not for those pesky final fours and elite eights. When your team is playing on the last weekend of the tournament, it is tough to attribute your success to a weak conference.

 

[getyopopcornready]

That's because you're a typical Tennessee sheep. When Cal is done at UK, he will have reasserted them as the dominant program in the league, run Billy Munster and Brillo Head Bruce out of the conference, and forced UK to build a new wing on their already loaded trophy case.

And while you Kentucky fanatics and Calipari wingnuts continue to think that, Everyone else around the country will enjoy a nice glass of kendall jackson chardonnay while watching the "next great hype" that is the UK bball coach get ran out of town once again because you believe Kentucky should.. no.. WILL win every championship, every year!

 

[hatvol96]

That might hold some water if not for those pesky final fours and elite eights. When your team is playing on the last weekend of the tournament, it is tough to attribute your success to a weak conference.

You didn't know? That wasn't really Michigan State, Texas, and UCLA that Memphis destroyed on the way to the finals in '07. The 'AA, to show their undying love for Cal and non BCS programs, had Fairfield, Centenary, and NJIT replace the real Spartans, Longhorns, and Bruins.

 

[getyopopcornready]

That might hold some water if not for those pesky final fours and elite eights. When your team is playing on the last weekend of the tournament, it is tough to attribute your success to a weak conference.

Yea, and if history is any indication, getting to the elite 8 every now and then won't be enough to keep uk fans happy.

 

[hatvol96]

And while you Kentucky fanatics and Calipari wingnuts continue to think that, Everyone else around the country will enjoy a nice glass of kendall jackson chardonnay while watching the "next great hype" that is the UK bball coach get ran out of town once again because you believe Kentucky should.. no.. WILL win every championship, every year!

A Keno Davis fan and a chardonnay drinker. You're even a bigger poser than I thought.

 

[hatvol96]

Yea, and if history is any indication, getting to the elite 8 every now and then won't be enough to keep uk fans happy.

Three straight years is every now and then? Damn, what does that say about guys who never get there?

 

[Hardwood_fanatic]

I love this place.

 

[emainvol]

I love this place.

+1

 

[smokey_the_dog]

What did you expect? Thats like whacking a hornets nest with a stick then wondering why you got stung.

Thats what you get for trolling.

What board was it, by the way? Curiosity is killing the cat.

I knew that was going to happen, thats what I was going for. It was wildcatnation.net. Trolling? Listen I live 3 miles from KY, and so thats all I hear so I'm going to dish it out. They don't care if you smack talk, I didn't know but they have a section for people of other teams to post in. I never read the rules so I got warned for posting in there section.

 

[volbeast33]

Hatvol ---it took Calipari 7 yrs at UMASS to make the elite eight and six seasons at Memphis before he made the elite eight.

At UMASS, he had two NIT trips and did not make either tourney in his first season. At Memphis, Calipari made the NIT three times while his two most successful seasons have been vacated.

Billy Gillespie has coached eight years at three different schools while missing either tourney once, making the NIT twice, and never making the elite eight.

Keno Davis has been a coach for two seasons making the NIT once and the NCAA once while improving both teams records.

Bruce Pearl at UWM missed the tourney once and made the NIT once, while make the NCAA twice including a trip to the sweet sixteen.

At Tennessee he has made the tourney all four years. True he has not made the elite eight yet but he did come within two of making it his second year. I think he has done a better job than Calipari or BCG given the amount of time to work with.

You cant argue with facts!

 

[hatvol96]

Hatvol ---it took Calipari 7 yrs at UMASS to make the elite eight and six seasons at Memphis before he made the elite eight.

At UMASS, he had two NIT trips and did not make either tourney in his first season. At Memphis, Calipari made the NIT three times while his two most successful seasons have been vacated.

Billy Gillespie has coached eight years at three different schools while missing either tourney once, making the NIT twice, and never making the elite eight.

Keno Davis has been a coach for two seasons making the NIT once and the NCAA once while improving both teams records.

Bruce Pearl at UWM missed the tourney once and made the NIT once, while make the NCAA twice including a trip to the sweet sixteen.

At Tennessee he has made the tourney all four years. True he has not made the elite eight yet but he did come within two of making it his second year. I think he has done a better job than Calipari or BCG given the amount of time to work with.

You cant argue with facts!

Calipari inherited a program at UMASS that had the worst winning percentage in D-I the previous ten years. Then, at Memphis, he got to try and compete with Huggs, Crean, Pitino, et al while simultaneously trying to clean up the Tic Price mess. BCG took over a UTEP team with 8 scholarship players in September and a Texas A&M team that won exactly 0 conference games the previous year. Davis had as easy a schedule as one could humanly have in the Big East last season and a senior dominated roster. He missed the NCAA Tournament, which he will do for the next four year and be fired. Bruce Pearl took over from Bo Ryan at Milwaukee. He failed to win an absolutely pathetic SEC last season.

 

[getyopopcornready]

That's because you're a typical Tennessee sheep. When Cal is done at UK, he will have reasserted them as the dominant program in the league, run Billy Munster and Brillo Head Bruce out of the conference, and forced UK to build a new wing on their already loaded trophy case.

In order to do this, he has to win championships right? 2, 3 or 4?.. He has 0 in his career right now, so why are you so sure that he is all of a sudden start winning these now that he is at UK. The talent he brought in at Memphis was among tops in the nation. What recruits will he start getting now that will have him winning titles and 30 games a year in a tougher conference? Will he start recruiting the Super Derrick Rose? or the remake of Joey Dorsey this time appearing as a 7'7, 370 pound monster?

 

[getyopopcornready]

Davis had as easy a schedule as one could humanly have in the Big East last season and a senior dominated roster. He missed the NCAA Tournament, which he will do for the next four year and be fired.

Wait a second, easy schedule in the 2008-09 Big East?

 

[getyopopcornready]

Calipari inherited a program at UMASS that had the worst winning percentage in D-I the previous ten years. Then, at Memphis, he got to try and compete with Huggs, Crean, Pitino, et.

Did Keno Davis not compete with those coaches last year too?

 

[hatvol96]

In order to do this, he has to win championships right? 2, 3 or 4?.. He has 0 in his career right now, so why are you so sure that he is all of a sudden start winning these now that he is at UK. The talent he brought in at Memphis was among tops in the nation. What recruits will he start getting now that will have him winning titles and 30 games a year in a tougher conference? Will he start recruiting the Super Derrick Rose? or the remake of Joey Dorsey this time appearing as a 7'7, 370 pound monster?

Nick Saban hasn't won a National Title at Alabama yet and he's already gotten Fulmer and Tuberville fired. Simply beating Florida and Tennessee regularly will suffice to convince Donovan he needs a new challenge and to convince Bruce to take whatever second tier job the Pump Brothers can set him up with, since having Indiana and Arizona laugh in their faces has given them a pretty good idea of how much regard ADs at real basketball schools have for Pearl's act.