Kentucky fan thoughts

[Lurker]

They’re just upset that a true freshman shut down their NPOY candidate. Also, a lanky slow white kid took him to the hole more than once and. Pretty embarrassing game for Oscar.

And yet, in truth, there isn't a Vol fan that wouldn't be delighted if Oscar transferred here. He's a great player who, at least that night, met his match. Very proud of Messrs. Fulkerson and Aidoo!

 

[LordVOLdemort]

The fouls evened up late

Avi game is strong

 

[ColinS]

And Fulky had 13 by attacking the rim. I think a lot of people mistake 'home cooking' for a team attacking the rim vs. a team settling for jump shots. I'm going off memory here, but I remember even discussing with Arizona fans at the game, that they were settling for a lot of jump shots. We shot the ball outside a lot early, but when they came back, we started going inside to Fulky. Just looked it up it was 28 to 16 on foul calls. I just don't remember even Arizona fans claiming home cooking was to blame. So I'm not going to minimize that game to prove some point.

It's been too long for me to remember specifics but I remember thinking that we were getting calls that we hadn't got all season.

 

[orangemadam]

Did you perform a study to test your hypothesis? Or are you just talking out of your backside? Rhetorical question, by the way, I already know the answer.

ooohhhh, struck a little nerve there I guess. Don't get your panties in a wad, all fan bases blame the refs - ours are just more vocal, kinda like you seem to be.

 

[Volfansince1980]

It's been too long for me to remember specifics but I remember thinking that we were getting calls that we hadn't got all season.

I wouldn't have remembered had I not went to that game. Had some Arizona fans in attendance near where we were sitting. Actually pretty cool fanbase.

 

[whobethis16]

OK. Now I see what you're about. While all that is true, the officials still f'ed up. Call the game correctly. And yes they are to blame. They should take responsibility when they cost a team a game like they did in the Purdue game. Sounds like you're an apologist. You can babble about a bunch of nonsense regarding what we should have done. But at the end of the day, they blew a call where Wright clearly crossed the plain and his forward momentum was never stopped. Anyone that's played a down of football could see that. Madden fans and box score warriors are the only ones arguing that nonsense.

So, the fumble by Hooker leading to 7 points at the end of the first half, the 6 possessions that ended in punts with a combined 70 yards (4 of which were single digit, or negative, yard drives) had nothing to do with the loss? The blame is only on the officials?

 

[HollowaytoSeivers]

Kentucky basketball fans and Bama football fans have to be 1st cousins.

Around So Ill where I live, they're often the same people. Lots of front runners up here.

 

[Volfansince1980]

So, the fumble by Hooker leading to 7 points at the end of the first half, the 6 possessions that ended in punts with a combined 70 yards (4 of which were single digit, or negative, yard drives) had nothing to do with the loss? The blame is only on the officials?

Again, not sure why people struggle with reading comprehension. Yes, all of that played a factor in the loss. But pretending the call that ended the game did not have anything to do with outcome is to be willfully ignorant. You guys continue to move the goalposts to protect these poor little referees that have one job which includes the ability to use replay. This is the mentality that allows refs to suck at their jobs and not even be questioned. The blown call decided the out come of the game whether you or anyone else wants to admit it or not.

 

[whobethis16]

Again, not sure why people struggle with reading comprehension. Yes, all of that played a factor in the loss. But pretending the call that ended the game did not have anything to do with outcome is to be willfully ignorant. You guys continue to move the goalposts to protect these poor little referees that have one job which includes the ability to use replay. This is the mentality that allows refs to suck at their jobs and not even be questioned. The blown call decided the out come of the game whether you or anyone else wants to admit it or not.

If teams actually played 100% perfectly, then you can say that a blown call decided the game. If there is absolutely nothing in 60+ minutes of game time that a team could've done to win the game, then the blame is all on the refs.

The players have 1 job and that's to score points. They had multiple opportunities in the 2nd (none) and 3rd to score more, and they failed.

You said "they are to blame" which means it's 100% on them. You didn't say the call had some blame, you said it in absolute which means you think those other things didn't matter.

 

[walkenvol]

If teams actually played 100% perfectly, then you can say that a blown call decided the game. If there is absolutely nothing in 60+ minutes of game time that a team could've done to win the game, then the blame is all on the refs.

The players have 1 job and that's to score points. They had multiple opportunities in the 2nd (none) and 3rd to score more, and they failed.

You said "they are to blame" which means it's 100% on them. You didn't say the call had some blame, you said it in absolute which means you think those other things didn't matter.

You miss the point - in a perfect world one team shouldn’t have to score more than the other team plus extra points to make up for bad calls.

 

[whobethis16]

You miss the point - in a perfect world one team shouldn’t have to score more than the other team plus extra points to make up for bad calls.

And you're missing the point that while yes, there are bad calls, there's significantly more opportunity for the teams to do things better than they did. I believe the adage is control the things you can control. Tennessee didn't do that, especially in the 2nd quarter. Maybe if they gained 20 more yards on three of those possessions, the defense actually keeps Purdue out of field goal range. But they didn't. Hell, if they kept them out of FG range just once more after those punts and everything literally happened exactly as it did, they win in regulation. Just once. One drive that gained them 10 more yards and pinned Purdue back a little further and they had to punt or miss a longer FG.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Is the BBF turning into the Football Forum?

 

[Volfansince1980]

If teams actually played 100% perfectly, then you can say that a blown call decided the game. If there is absolutely nothing in 60+ minutes of game time that a team could've done to win the game, then the blame is all on the refs.

The players have 1 job and that's to score points. They had multiple opportunities in the 2nd (none) and 3rd to score more, and they failed.

You said "they are to blame" which means it's 100% on them. You didn't say the call had some blame, you said it in absolute which means you think those other things didn't matter.

Stick with video games. Must be a ref’s kid. Your Dad sucks at his job

 

[whobethis16]

Stick with video games. Must be a ref’s kid. Your Dad sucks at his job

I officiate myself, so blow it out your ass. Maybe you should get off your fat ass and learn to do the job. There's a shortage of officials in this country, so go through the training and do it.

 

[walkenvol]

And you're missing the point that while yes, there are bad calls, there's significantly more opportunity for the teams to do things better than they did. I believe the adage is control the things you can control. Tennessee didn't do that, especially in the 2nd quarter. Maybe if they gained 20 more yards on three of those possessions, the defense actually keeps Purdue out of field goal range. But they didn't. Hell, if they kept them out of FG range just once more after those punts and everything literally happened exactly as it did, they win in regulation. Just once. One drive that gained them 10 more yards and pinned Purdue back a little further and they had to punt or miss a longer FG.

I guess you just refuse to acknowledge the other position. College students attempting to execute plays while other college students are trying to crush them - regular errors are to be expected. Verses adults paid to stand there and observe the competition and report when one of the participants breaks the rules.

Which one is supposed to be closest to perfect and which gets the least sympathy when they error - the officials.

Yea, there were opportunities to overcome some clearly bad calls, but your team isn’t supposed to have to.

 

[whobethis16]

I guess you just refuse to acknowledge the other position. College students attempting to execute plays while other college students are trying to crush them - regular errors are to be expected. Verses adults paid to stand there and observe the competition and report when one of the participants breaks the rules.

Which one is supposed to be closest to perfect and which gets the least sympathy when they error - the officials.

Yea, there were opportunities to overcome some clearly bad calls, but your team isn’t supposed to have to.

I guarantee that out of 100, the officiating crew would score closer to perfection than either team did.

I ask you, have you ever taken officials' exams (for any sport), gone to any clinics/training, read and studied rule and case books? If you have, then why aren't you out officiating at any level? And if you have, then you would truly know that officials hate when they botch calls, they strive as hard to be perfect at athletes, and never want to mess up. But yet, they get absolutely castrated for mistakes, and even calls that are correct, by idiots who don't know. Why is that acceptable?

And asking a team to get 10-20 yards more to possibly make a team kick a 56 yard FG instead of a 46 is not asking that much.

 

[therealitytheory]

Whoa boys - this is the basketball forum. Disagreements here are limited to the head coach and his salary.

 

[Jax_Vol]

That can't be the thoughts of a TRUE BLUE Kentucky fan.


No wi-fi down in the coal mines.

 

[ColinS]

So, the fumble by Hooker leading to 7 points at the end of the first half, the 6 possessions that ended in punts with a combined 70 yards (4 of which were single digit, or negative, yard drives) had nothing to do with the loss? The blame is only on the officials?

Yes, we got bad calls and yes it contributed to the outcome of the game, but it happens. Good teams find a way to win especially if it's still right there sitting on a silver platter for you. Look at our basketball team against Miss St. We got an unfriendly whistle yet still took care of business.

 

[VolArmy74]

If their strategy was to hack and abuse TN players assuming that the refs won’t continue calling nearly 30 fouls and that they’d even up the whistles, then that’s on them and Barnes did a great job alerting the refs to their BS strategy.

This. They got called for 28 fouls because they were fouling, a lot. 4 of the fouls were them fouling in the last 50 seconds or so when they were down 4+ and we had the ball. We shot 9 more free throws than them. 8 of them on those last 4 fouls when they were fouling to stop the clock. Free throws were 19-18 at that point.

 

[VolGee4]

I officiate myself, so blow it out your ass. Maybe you should get off your fat ass and learn to do the job. There's a shortage of officials in this country, so go through the training and do it.

I did it as a teenager for rec league. While it's not easy, there are some poor ones out there. All I ask is that they put in just as much effort as the kids do. Some also want to be part of the entertainment, and that's not their job (see Teddy V, Pat Adams, etc.).

But, officiating absolutely affects games. While really good teams can mostly overcome poor officiating, it's still relevant. There is a problem in both football and basketball and has been for a while. But the powers have to want to fix it, and they seem content.

 

[ColinS]

I did it as a teenager for rec league. While it's not easy, there are some poor ones out there. All I ask is that they put in just as much effort as the kids do. Some also want to be part of the entertainment, and that's not their job (see Teddy V, Pat Adams, etc.).

But, officiating absolutely affects games. While really good teams can mostly overcome poor officiating, it's still relevant. There is a problem in both football and basketball and has been for a while. But the powers have to want to fix it, and they seem content.

With the bigger stronger faster athletes officiating has become more difficult and will continue too.

 

[VolGee4]

With the bigger stronger faster athletes officiating has become more difficult and will continue too.

It will never be perfect, but there are things that can be done to improve it. You can't just throw up your arms and suggest it will never be perfect.

It is a big boy business now. You can hire full-time employees who get more training. You can do a better job of finding conflicts or biases. A football official who went to Hoover High School and whose family member works in the SEC office in Birmingham (and has a brother rooting on Alabama) should never do a Bama game. While he may not ever think he gives Bama a break, we all have implicit or unconscious biases. A basketball official who has a picture on his Facebook page of being an LSU fan should never do LSU games.

In basketball, the number of games done by officials has become a problem. I think it was last year, I saw an official (maybe Doug Shows) do a late East Coast game one night, and he was then on a call the next late afternoon in a city several hours away. This has gone unchecked.

Also, officials are hardly ever publicly held accountable. The players are required to walk off the NCAAT floor and sit in front of the media within 5 minutes of the game's end, and officials don't publicly answer to anyone. I am not even suggesting that they should, but maybe face one AP pool reporter for some questions? Double standard.

In many things in life, you try to keep improving and at least strive for excellence, and there is nothing being done (that I have seen) for this to be the case in college officiating...and it's been happening for years now.

 

[whobethis16]

It will never be perfect, but there are things that can be done to improve it. You can't just throw up your arms and suggest it will never be perfect.

It is a big boy business now. You can hire full-time employees who get more training. You can do a better job of finding conflicts or biases. A football official who went to Hoover High School and whose family member works in the SEC office in Birmingham (and has a brother rooting on Alabama) should never do a Bama game. While he may not ever think he gives Bama a break, we all have implicit or unconscious biases. A basketball official who has a picture on his Facebook page of being an LSU fan should never do LSU games.

In basketball, the number of games done by officials has become a problem. I think it was last year, I saw an official (maybe Doug Shows) do a late East Coast game one night, and he was then on a call the next late afternoon in a city several hours away. This has gone unchecked.

Also, officials are hardly ever publicly held accountable. The players are required to walk off the NCAAT floor and sit in front of the media within 5 minutes of the game's end, and officials don't publicly answer to anyone. I am not even suggesting that they should, but maybe face one AP pool reporter for some questions? Double standard.

In many things in life, you try to keep improving and at least strive for excellence, and there is nothing being done (that I have seen) for this to be the case in college officiating...and it's been happening for years now.

I bring it up again: go through the training and become one. The numbers are low. Nothing is stopping you from going through the process to become an official and add to the numbers.

And these two things contradict each other. You don't like the number of games one guy calls, but want them to do it full-time?

 

[Volfansince1980]

I officiate myself, so blow it out your ass. Maybe you should get off your fat ass and learn to do the job. There's a shortage of officials in this country, so go through the training and do it.

So mine gets removed and yet this hot garbage gets to stay. Makes sense.