Kevin McCarthy, did in fact, tell Liz Cheney that he would ask Trump to Resign. (AUDIO)

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LOL! I always know when I've struck a nerve with right-wingers ...

... @NorthDallas40 shows up with something like this.
Yeah… that’s the obvious hot take 😂🤡

The wife watches GMA every morning to find out what she is supposed to be outraged about that day (no really she’s usually level headed on most far left dumbassery… until you invoke the orange one). As soon as I saw this on GMA I laughed and had two thoughts. A) I knew somebody would run to screech about it on VNPF B) I knew exactly who that somebody would be 😂
 
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Genuinely curious:

If he doesn’t matter, how do you explain why every primary candidate is trying to convince voters that their highest aspiration is to be a mole on Trump’s scrotum?
Primary candidates craft their lies to appeal to the most ardent base. They toss red meat with overflowing buckets. If DJT still has cache with the base, R primary candidates will do their best to invoke his name, policies, and approach.
 
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Republican politicians are not guided by principles. They are guided by internal polling of the party's base.
For example free education, free healthcare. Us vs. them, except the one say "us" is also part of them. Run on racial division and voter suppression during election years to create a narrative of hate.
Interesting take as MSM of CNN and MSNBC is starting to show those polls and the messaging is changing.
 
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On January 10th, the Republican Party House Minority Leader, thought that Donald Trump should resign as the President of the United States (until Kevin McCarthy checked his party's internal polling of the Republican base of support) over his role in the events of January 6th .... but yeah, there was never anything there.
"thought that Donald Trump should resign" that's it? Another carrot to chase to get the left excited for the moment.
 
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Primary candidates craft their lies to appeal to the most ardent base. They toss red meat with overflowing buckets. If DJT still has cache with the base, R primary candidates will do their best to invoke his name, policies, and approach.
I’m sure you posted this before reading the follow up, but I think that’s mostly right. I also think that “cache with the base” means he still matters. I guess we’ll see in 2024, unless he croaks before the primary.
 
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Primary candidates craft their lies to appeal to the most ardent base. They toss red meat with overflowing buckets. If DJT still has cache with the base, R primary candidates will do their best to invoke his name, policies, and approach.
Bingo. Even if they completely disagree with everything Trump is or represents they will invoke his name to glean favor from his minions.
 
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I’m sure you posted this before reading the follow up, but I think that’s mostly right. I also think that “cache with the base” means he still matters. I guess we’ll see in 2024, unless he croaks before the primary.
He matters to some. And in that community he still has influence. But he is irrelevant on the bigger stage.
 
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It’s not Trump , it’s the idea and energy that Trump brought that they want . The left can’t let Trump go , you guys have made him a damn folk hero , it’s the craziest thing I’ve ever seen . Non stop 24/7 Trump from CNN specifically , got Trump elected . Trump
Is was and forever will be a one term POTUS, how much influence the Trump brand carries depends a lot on how outraged the left stays about him . He will never go away as long as he’s a thorn in the lefts side , you guys spent 4 years pissing him off , and you are still trying to catch him riddin dirty . Just let him go . 🤷‍♂️
Proper use of riding dirty. The left stays outraged for ratings, Trump tweeting about Rosie is more important to the world than $4 gas, 8.5 inflation or bribes to the Biden family.
 
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Bingo. Even if they completely disagree with everything Trump is or represents they will invoke his name to glean favor from his minions.
Like Obama wanting to secure the borders with a wall. Trumps platforms that wall and now it's racist, bigot, fascist etc. But Clinton ran on the same platform previously so the buy in from the left was there.

Warp speed by Trump... takes 5-10 years by Biden. Biden get everyone vaccinated, do your part. Thanks Trump for exposing yet again, another status quo the US was told to believe.
 
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I don’t buy all of this. No, actually I think you’re mostly right.

The idea that liberal outrage fuels Trump’s popularity is spot on. Own the libs is the only guide post for the party and it’s base, at this point. Trump still does this better than anybody.

The idea that it’s just Trump’s energy is what I generally disagreed with, but I think that’s a matter of perspective. There are a lot of obsequious candidates like Josh Mandel who have spent a lot of time sucking up to Trump while simultaneously trying to throw out inflammatory rhetoric. So he still matters to some candidates.

But that’s largely a political miscalculation on the part of some candidates. From the perspective of voters, not every Trump endorsement matters and the most popular political figures, other than Trump, are people like DeSantis who don’t spend a lot of time talking about Trump but who do a good job of owning the libs.

There is still a faction within the Republican Party’s base that is still all Trump, all the time. You can see that in posts here. But I think you’re right that that group is shrinking. I still think he would roll DeSantis in a primary and DeSantis is the closest one to him. But I could definitely be wrong.

Party knows that Trump is the past and maybe the present but Desantis is the future.

What everyone liked about Trump is he was actually willing to FIGHT, when so many Rinos promised they were good little conservatives at election time but rolled over like a whipped dog any time the left pushed something. They were tired of apologizing for their faith, their love of country and their beliefs in personal responsibility. Most had worked hard and followed the rules only to see their chance at a better life pissed away or stolen by wolves in sheeps clothing.

Trump is a very blunt instrument - a massive F U to the entire elite and governing edifice. BLM, white 'fragility" and white rage, HA! Simpleminded victims being led around by puzzy hat wearing idiots themselves indoctrinated to stupidity through the supposed institutions of "higher learning". You haven't seen blue-collar whitely rage yet. And the elite are absolutely terrified at the thought.

Notice they dont care about BLM riots and looting? Because they control that through people who have been trained like lab rats to expect a treat when performing.

Whitey rage is quite different. Its slow to ignite but terrible in its wrath and hard to extinguish. In our history, it leads to revolutions and civil wars but above all, it threatens to overthrow the established power hierarchy.

Interestingly, it may have started with unwashed whitey rage, but now, most anyone who actually has a family and a job (that actually produces something other than grievance mongering) and cares about their religious faith, has decided that really, its not about being "white" at all, or at least it has nothing to do with skin color. That is why vast numbers of hardworking Hispanics and black people too are abandoning the Democratic party because they can see that they have so much in common with hard working whites. See where you stand on Faith, Freedom, Family and Personal Responsibility and that will tell you who you align with today. Unfortunately, the GOP leadership needs to do a better job of representing that themselves or the movement will find others who will.

Trump is a club, Desantis so far has shown himself to be a deftly cutting sword.

There is no way Desantis will run if Trump does. He has only to wait and make Florida happy and liberals angry. Many Trump voters would vote for Trump if he runs again, maybe even over Desantis - but many secretly hope Trump stays on the sidelines and cheers Desantis on.
 
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He matters to some. And in that community he still has influence. But he is irrelevant on the bigger stage.
What does that mean, though?

His endorsement was never bullet proof, sometimes it didn’t even give a bump, so it’s hard to say from the midterms.

The party has essentially been comprised of always/against a dem/never Trumpers for 7 years now. I don’t think the coup attempt or anything since has really pushed anybody new into the “never” camp and my sense is that the “always” camp is greater than it was in 2016. The number of “never” who will vote in a Republican primary is probably shrinking.

So, obviously this is unknowable, but I still think he wins in a primary if you held it tomorrow, even if it’s just head to head with the most popular challenger. Again, maybe that’s incorrect.
 
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On January 10, 2021, in the aftermath of the January 6th riot at the Capital, Republican House Minority Leader, Kevin McCarthy, told Rep. Liz Cheney in a recorded phone conversation that he would talk to then-President Donald Trump and recommend that Trump resign as the President of the United States.

As recently as yesterday (Thursday April 21st, 2022), House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, flatly denied that this conversation with Rep. Liz Cheney ever took place.

Audio contradicts McCarthy's denial that he considered asking Trump to resign after Capitol riot | CNN Politics

Bombshell New Audio Destroys Kevin McCarthy’s Credibility And Could Damage His Career

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McCarthy said he would urge Trump to resign after Jan. 6, new audio reveals

New audio confirms Rep. Kevin McCarthy told House GOP members that he was going to urge Trump to resign following Jan. 6

McCarthy planned to tell Trump to resign after Jan. 6: new audio

What are the ramifications of this, you ask?

This is not a good development for Kevin McCarthy's prospects of becoming the Speaker of the House next January, when the Republican Party takes control of the House of Representatives ... which they definitely will. McCarthy's fate will likely rest with how Donald Trump wants to handle it. My guess is, that this audio recording is not going to sit well with Trump.


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"thought that Donald Trump should resign" that's it? Another carrot to chase to get the left excited for the moment.
As far as Kevin McCarthy is concerned? No. He really looks like an a$$ right now ...

Let's see here ...

1) DISHONEST? ............ (check) (No explanation necessary.)

2) UNPRINCIPLED? ...... (check) (He flew down down to Mar-A-Lago in February, and cozied up to Trump like nothing had ever happened - a month after telling Cheney that Trump should resign.)

3) TWO-FACED? ...........,. (check) (See #2)

4) STUPID? ....................... (check) (He should have known that Liz Cheney was the source of that report, and that she had given those reporters that audio recording.)

5) HYPOCRITICAL? ........ (check) (He accused The New York Times reporters of being liars, yesterday.)

... and this guy was going to be your party's next Speaker of the House? Wow.
 
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What does that mean, though?

His endorsement was never bullet proof, sometimes it didn’t even give a bump, so it’s hard to say from the midterms.

The party has essentially been comprised of always/against a dem/never Trumpers for 7 years now. I don’t think the coup attempt or anything since has really pushed anybody new into the “never” camp and my sense is that the “always” camp is greater than it was in 2016. The number of “never” who will vote in a Republican primary is probably shrinking.

So, obviously this is unknowable, but I still think he wins in a primary if you held it tomorrow, even if it’s just head to head with the most popular challenger. Again, maybe that’s incorrect.
We're just a bit distant on our timeline. I believe he is irrelevant currently. If he manages to win the 2024 primary he will be relevant again. But two years is an eternity in politics.
 
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Party knows that Trump is the past and maybe the present but Desantis is the future.

What everyone liked about Trump is he was actually willing to FIGHT, when so many Rinos promised they were good little conservatives at election time but rolled over like a whipped dog any time the left pushed something. They were tired of apologizing for their faith, their love of country and their beliefs in personal responsibility. Most had worked hard and followed the rules only to see their chance at a better life pissed away or stolen by wolves in sheeps clothing.

Trump is a very blunt instrument - a massive F U to the entire elite and governing edifice. BLM, white 'fragility" and white rage, HA! Simpleminded victims being led around by puzzy hat wearing idiots themselves indoctrinated to stupidity through the supposed institutions of "higher learning". You haven't seen blue-collar whitely rage yet. And the elite are absolutely terrified at the thought.

Notice they dont care about BLM riots and looting? Because they control that through people who have been trained like lab animals to expect a treat when performing.

Whitey rage is quite different. Its slow to ignite but terrible in its wrath and hard to extinguish. In our history, it leads to revolutions and civil wars but above all, it threatens to overthrow the established power hierarchy.

Interestingly, it may have started with unwashed whitey rage, but now, most anyone who actually has a family and a job (that actually produces something other than grievance mongering) and cares about their religious faith, has decided that really, its not about being "white" at all, or at least it has nothing to do with skin color. That is why vast numbers of hardworking Hispanics and black people too are abandoning the Democratic party because they can see that they have so much in common with hard working whites. See where you stand on Faith, Freedom, Family and Personal Responsibility and that will tell you who you align with today. Unfortunately, the GOP leadership needs to do a better job of representing that themselves or the movement will find others who will.

Trump is a club, Desantis so far has shown himself to be a deftly cutting sword.

There is no way Desantis will run if Trump does. He has only to wait and make Florida happy and liberals angry. Many Trump voters would vote for Trump if he runs again, maybe even over Desantis - but many secretly hope Trump stays on the sidelines and cheers Desantis on.
"Most had worked hard and followed the rules only to see their chance at a better life pissed away or stolen by wolves in sheeps clothing."
What does that mean? How was it pissed away? What exactly was stolen? How is it they do not have a better life?
It sounds like they are angry and bitter over their own shortcomings and looking for a way to direct their anger at something other than their selves.
 
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We're just a bit distant on our timeline. I believe he is irrelevant currently. If he manages to win the 2024 primary he will be relevant again. But two years is an eternity in politics.
Fair enough. So it seems like anybody outside of office is irrelevant under your definition?
 
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Fair enough. So it seems like anybody outside of office is irrelevant under your definition?
I wouldn't say that. Unfortunately many politicians retain sway over party, or via key elected officials, contributing to media, or even in policy think tanks.

For me, those areas are where relevance is maintained because they can (and do) shape policy.
Those, like Trump, who continue to carnival bark grab attention but do not impact policy.
 
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I wouldn't say that. Unfortunately many politicians retain sway over party, or via key elected officials, contributing to media, or even in policy think tanks.

For me, those areas are where relevance is maintained because they can (and do) shape policy.
Those, like Trump, who continue to carnival bark grab attention but do not impact policy.

I get what you’re saying. It seems to me like the carnival barking and policy largely have melded together for the GOP as the culture wars have become the central focus of their operation. Maybe that’s why we see things differently.
 
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I get what you’re saying. It seems to me like the carnival barking and policy largely have melded together for the GOP as the culture wars have become the central focus of their operation. Maybe that’s why we see things differently.
Your position is easy to understand. I see culture wars coming from both parties. Culture is a wonderful political tool because people identify with culture in ways they never do over policy. And that identification easily groups people together and they are passionate. Politicians use that passion as a cattle prod to move people where they want them.
 
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As far as Kevin McCarthy is concerned? No. He really looks like an a$$ right now ...

Let's see here ...

1) DISHONEST? ............ (check) (No explanation necessary.)

2) UNPRINCIPLED? ...... (check) (He flew down down to Mar-A-Lago in February, and cozied up to Trump like nothing had ever happened - a month after telling Cheney that Trump should resign.)

3) TWO-FACED? ...........,. (check) (See #2)

4) STUPID? ....................... (check) (He should have known that Liz Cheney was the source of that report, and that she had given those reporters that audio recording.)

5) HYPOCRITICAL? ........ (check) (He accused The New York Times reporters of being liars, yesterday.)

... and this guy was going to be your party's next Speaker of the House? Wow.

Now let's do Nancy


1) DISHONEST? ............ (check) (No explanation necessary.) See hair salon video

2) UNPRINCIPLED? ...... (check) Eats $15 ice cream out of $25,000 refrigerator while the economy at the time was the number one concern. But leave it to Nancy to have fun on TV with James Corden.

3) TWO-FACED? ...........,. (check) Mask on in front of the cameras, mask off behind closed doors. See Visa and Tesla stock deals and insider information. Promote border wall by the left then call it immoral when Trump makes it happen.

4) STUPID? ....................... (check) see #1, #2, #3 and #5.

5) HYPOCRITICAL? ........ (check) See 1% lifestyle and voting district/base .

... and this gal is your party's Speaker of the House? Wow.[/QUOTE]
 
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Party knows that Trump is the past and maybe the present but Desantis is the future.

What everyone liked about Trump is he was actually willing to FIGHT, when so many Rinos promised they were good little conservatives at election time but rolled over like a whipped dog any time the left pushed something. They were tired of apologizing for their faith, their love of country and their beliefs in personal responsibility. Most had worked hard and followed the rules only to see their chance at a better life pissed away or stolen by wolves in sheeps clothing.

Trump is a very blunt instrument - a massive F U to the entire elite and governing edifice. BLM, white 'fragility" and white rage, HA! Simpleminded victims being led around by puzzy hat wearing idiots themselves indoctrinated to stupidity through the supposed institutions of "higher learning". You haven't seen blue-collar whitely rage yet. And the elite are absolutely terrified at the thought.

Notice they dont care about BLM riots and looting? Because they control that through people who have been trained like lab rats to expect a treat when performing.

Whitey rage is quite different. Its slow to ignite but terrible in its wrath and hard to extinguish. In our history, it leads to revolutions and civil wars but above all, it threatens to overthrow the established power hierarchy.

Interestingly, it may have started with unwashed whitey rage, but now, most anyone who actually has a family and a job (that actually produces something other than grievance mongering) and cares about their religious faith, has decided that really, its not about being "white" at all, or at least it has nothing to do with skin color. That is why vast numbers of hardworking Hispanics and black people too are abandoning the Democratic party because they can see that they have so much in common with hard working whites. See where you stand on Faith, Freedom, Family and Personal Responsibility and that will tell you who you align with today. Unfortunately, the GOP leadership needs to do a better job of representing that themselves or the movement will find others who will.

Trump is a club, Desantis so far has shown himself to be a deftly cutting sword.

There is no way Desantis will run if Trump does. He has only to wait and make Florida happy and liberals angry. Many Trump voters would vote for Trump if he runs again, maybe even over Desantis - but many secretly hope Trump stays on the sidelines and cheers Desantis on.

You guys give him an awful lot of credit. I suspect its the only manner by which you can ignore his buffoonery and the damage he did to the republic.
 
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You guys give him an awful lot of credit. I suspect its the only manner by which you can ignore his buffoonery and the damage he did to the republic.

Seems as though you have the same energy to ignore the buffoonery and damage by Biden? Seems as we near mid-terms the script is flipping to distance those Dems up for re-election from Biden.
 
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Your position is easy to understand. I see culture wars coming from both parties. Culture is a wonderful political tool because people identify with culture in ways they never do over policy. And that identification easily groups people together and they are passionate. Politicians use that passion as a cattle prod to move people where they want them.
I agree, the culture war definitely comes from both parties and is equally worthless to prudent governance for both. I wasn’t trying to say it doesn’t.

I don’t know that it’s the sole focus for the actual DNC, but their other policies haven’t done anything to move the needle in the right direction since taking over, either.
 
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