KIFFIN ONLY HAS TWO LOI's?! - Yeah, not really.

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TennesseeT said:
Sure why not! What do you have in mind?
Since your so sure of complete failure by UT and also confident in your predictions we have several options.

Are we going W-L next season, over/under W's on next season, over/under W's on next two, over/under on how long Dooley is coach?

I say you tell me the record you think UT will have next year and I will wager an amount on the over.

Keep in mind the schedule is brutal and Kiffin was only expected to win 7 at most. So really you should set it at like 4.5 or 5.5
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I'd take the over if it were set at 4.5/5.5. I still see a 7 win season in 2010.
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orangeblood79 said:
I'd take the over if it were set at 4.5/5.5. I still see a 7 win season in 2010.
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I think 7 is good too. If they can get 3 out of Ore, UF, Bama, LSU, UGA, and Miss then maybe 8. Dude is really down on Dooley though so surely he thinks no more than 5 which I'll take all day.
 
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Jake Tate said:
Hat, that's just ignorant to say...

LSU (lost by 8)
Auburn
Navy
Nevada
Boise State (lost by 10)

I would not call any of those 5 aweful. Come on, at least do some research before you always talk smack..

You're never happy with the direction of this program...


find one you are happy with and move on.
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San Jose State , New Mexico State, Hawaii, Idaho, and Utah State are on Louisiana Tech's schedule each and every year. Maybe you should actually know who's in the WAC before you attempt to make a point about La. Tech's competition.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I'd take the over if it were set at 4.5/5.5. I still see a 7 win season in 2010.
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I think 7-5 would probably have to be considered a success. The schedule is killer and we lost most of our best players to graduation or the NFL.

Having said that, I mostly agree with Hatvol. TN hired a guy who was failing in a 2nd rate conference. If that doesn't instill doubt in Dooley by the fanbase as a whole, I don't know what would.

IMO, Dooley passed his first critical test, saving this recruiting class. However, ulike what many here are insinuating, he did not do so with flying colors. According to Scout, this is merely the 6th best class in the SEC. I realize those rankings are not the end-all/be-all, but it's the best gage we have so far on the class, certainly moreso than our own gut feelings.

Dooley seems like a genuinely good guy, and I hope he does very well here. But the reality is we play 2 juggernaut programs with 2 of the 3 or 4 best coaches in all of college football, every single year. If we can't get past those 2, we're looking at annual trips to the outback bowl.

I'm willing to give Dooley a chance, simply because I have no other option, save abandoning the program, which I will not do. If it had been up to me, he'd have never been hired. And since it is not up to me, all I can do is hope for the best.
 
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TennesseeT said:
Sure why not! What do you have in mind?
Since your so sure of complete failure by UT and also confident in your predictions we have several options.

Are we going W-L next season, over/under W's on next season, over/under W's on next two, over/under on how long Dooley is coach?

I say you tell me the record you think UT will have next year and I will wager an amount on the over.

Keep in mind the schedule is brutal and Kiffin was only expected to win 7 at most. So really you should set it at like 4.5 or 5.5
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How's this? $500 says Tennessee wins no more than 13 games in the next two seasons. That allows Fooley to more than one year to prove his competence.
 
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#356
Kinda unfair seeing as how we are going to win 4 or 5 next year that'd mean he has to win 8+ his second year.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How's this? $500 says Tennessee wins no more than 13 games in the next two seasons. That allows Fooley to more than one year to prove his competence.
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So you are so convinced of his incompetence yet you still expect him to have a winning record after 2 years?

Drop it to 12.5 and you're on. 12 or less I lose, 13 or more you lose.
 
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TennesseeT said:
So you are so convinced of his incompetence yet you still expect him to have a winning record after 2 years?
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When you have Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and three nonconference tomato cans on the schedule every season, getting to 6 or 7 doesn't take too much coaching skill.
 
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orangeaid said:
Your right on about this. Kiffin put a good product on the field and was a madman recruiting. He will win big at USC, though the NCAA is probably gonna negate any success he might have.
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Yeah. He does that for a couple of years and he'll actually have a career winning percentage above 500.
 
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hatvol96 said:
When you have Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and three nonconference tomato cans on the schedule every season, getting to 6 or 7 doesn't take too much coaching skill.
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But you don't think he has any coaching skills and has been getting beaten up on by non-conference tomato cans already. C'mon man you spent two hours yesterday talking about how terrible the guy is.

Ok 13 is a push. 12 or less you win, 14 or more I win.

Deal or no deal? Obviously regular season only.
 
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TennesseeT said:
But you don't think he has any coaching skills and has been getting beaten up on by non-conference tomato cans already. C'mon man you spent two hours yesterday talking about how terrible the guy is.

Ok 13 is a push. 12 or less you win, 14 or more I win.

Deal or no deal? Obviously regular season only.
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You got it.
 
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ETNVol said:
I think 7-5 would probably have to be considered a success. The schedule is killer and we lost most of our best players to graduation or the NFL.

Having said that, I mostly agree with Hatvol. TN hired a guy who was failing in a 2nd rate conference. If that doesn't instill doubt in Dooley by the fanbase as a whole, I don't know what would.

IMO, Dooley passed his first critical test, saving this recruiting class. However, ulike what many here are insinuating, he did not do so with flying colors. According to Scout, this is merely the 6th best class in the SEC. I realize those rankings are not the end-all/be-all, but it's the best gage we have so far on the class, certainly moreso than our own gut feelings.

Dooley seems like a genuinely good guy, and I hope he does very well here. But the reality is we play 2 juggernaut programs with 2 of the 3 or 4 best coaches in all of college football, every single year. If we can't get past those 2, we're looking at annual trips to the outback bowl.

I'm willing to give Dooley a chance, simply because I have no other option, save abandoning the program, which I will not do. If it had been up to me, he'd have never been hired. And since it is not up to me, all I can do is hope for the best.
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Good post, though respectfully, I disagree with you assertion that Dooley was failing.

Here's why:

1. He improved in the win column his first two yrs from previous seasons, only to have the majority of his starters on his "2 deep depth chart" go down with injury his third season, which resulted in only 4 wins.

2. By all accounts in the know, La Tech was trending upward under Dooley. Statistically they improved across the board. Read the article I posted on pg 7, pretty insightful as to what was going on during his time there.

I know Dooley wasn't the "big spalsh" everybody wanted but he was our best option. And no, hatvol, spending yet another offseason searching for a HC in December '10 isn't a better plan.

An interim HC would only have caused more instability over the next year and damaged the program further...and even if that had been the route chosen, there is no guarentee that a "big splash" hire like hatvol mentioned would have been possible. --we'd already been turned down twice by half of the coaches he mentioned anyway.

Initially, I wasn't happy about Dooley being hired b/c on the surface, it looked like a bad fit. So I researched him and liked what I found.

Some people will never be satisfied b/c they think that the next Bob Stoops, Nick Saben, Mack Brown, or Urban Meyer is just around the corner and easy to identify. I say that's a bunch of crap. MH made the best decision he could, under the circumstances given. This class needed to be salvaged and this school needed a coach quickly. I feel like the best hire was made.

Would I prefer someone else, possibley one of the other candidates interviewed? Yeah, sure. My #1 was Muschamp, Patterson, Edsall, etc...but they all declined and in the end the best hire was made.

Was it our (or my) first choice? Nope, but I'm not going to ***** and moan like <ahem> some about it. I choose to (as you said) accept it and support my coach, my university, and my alma mater.
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orangeblood79 said:
I know Dooley wasn't the "big spalsh" everybody wanted but he was our best option. And no, hatvol, spending yet another offseason searching for a HC in December '10 isn't a better plan.
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It's better if we did in fact make a much better hire.
 
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This is all procrastination on my part, if there would of been no turnover on the coaching staff Tennessee would of had a class on par or better to last year's Alabama class.
 
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hatvol96 said:
When you have Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and three nonconference tomato cans on the schedule every season, getting to 6 or 7 doesn't take too much coaching skill.
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Wow... Isn't this a surprise? Hatvol hating a guy with a southern accent.

Ridiculous.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How's this? $500 says Tennessee wins no more than 13 games in the next two seasons. That allows Fooley to more than one year to prove his competence.
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Guys. You can give up arguing with Hatvol about anyone with a southern accent. He has consistently demonstrated a belief that it makes a person inferior in virtually every way.
 
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sjt18 said:
Guys. You can give up arguing with Hatvol about anyone with a southern accent. He has consistently demonstrated a belief that it makes a person inferior in virtually every way.
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Yeah, my hatred of Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson proves that.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, my hatred of Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson proves that.
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Islamists have dhimmis... and you grudgingly tolerate a few guys.

Truth is you have no more idea how the guy will do than any of the rest of us... but your bias against southerners virtually precludes you from giving him the benefit of the doubt or even taking a wait and see approach.

Did you make up a cutsie name for Kiffin? What had Kiffin actually done as a HC that impressed you prior to UT?
 
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sjt18 said:
Islamists have dhimmis... and you grudgingly tolerate a few guys.

Truth is you have no more idea how the guy will do than any of the rest of us... but your bias against southerners virtually precludes you from giving him the benefit of the doubt or even taking a wait and see approach.

Did you make up a cutsie name for Kiffin? What had Kiffin actually done as a HC that impressed you prior to UT?
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Well, he hadn't lost to Utah State. That's normally a pretty good place to start.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Well, he hadn't lost to Utah State. That's normally a pretty good place to start.
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Saban got beat by La Monroe and I would just venture a guess that the talent gap b/w them and Bama was a LOT wider than La Tech and Utah State.
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orangeblood79 said:
Good post, though respectfully, I disagree with you assertion that Dooley was failing.

Here's why:

1. He improved in the win column his first two yrs from previous seasons, only to have the majority of his starters on his "2 deep depth chart" go down with injury his third season, which resulted in only 4 wins.

2. By all accounts in the know, La Tech was trending upward under Dooley. Statistically they improved across the board. Read the article I posted on pg 7, pretty insightful as to what was going on during his time there.

I know Dooley wasn't the "big spalsh" everybody wanted but he was our best option. And no, hatvol, spending yet another offseason searching for a HC in December '10 isn't a better plan.

An interim HC would only have caused more instability over the next year and damaged the program further...and even if that had been the route chosen, there is no guarentee that a "big splash" hire like hatvol mentioned would have been possible. --we'd already been turned down twice by half of the coaches he mentioned anyway.

Initially, I wasn't happy about Dooley being hired b/c on the surface, it looked like a bad fit. So I researched him and liked what I found.

Some people will never be satisfied b/c they think that the next Bob Stoops, Nick Saben, Mack Brown, or Urban Meyer is just around the corner and easy to identify. I say that's a bunch of crap. MH made the best decision he could, under the circumstances given. This class needed to be salvaged and this school needed a coach quickly. I feel like the best hire was made.

Would I prefer someone else, possibley one of the other candidates interviewed? Yeah, sure. My #1 was Muschamp, Patterson, Edsall, etc...but they all declined and in the end the best hire was made.

Was it our (or my) first choice? Nope, but I'm not going to ***** and moan like <ahem> some about it. I choose to (as you said) accept it and support my coach, my university, and my alma mater.
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I agree, Nice Post
 
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Kiffin was basically heading us toward probation. Kiffin is a low life and he is also unproven. Kiffin and O have no souls. What has Kiffin done to get all of these great jobs? He is gone, Dooley is the man and he will lead us in the right direction.
 
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