Kiffin's firing should send a signal to Butch about...

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I can point out some improvement from the Running Backs. Look at the stats. yeah, I know it was against South Alabama but still when is the last time UT rushed for 300 yards?
 
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vols 30 said:
He seems set on not playing the freshman. Worley will play every snap the rest of the year.
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We're playing true freshmen all over the field. But QB has a much higher learning curve and running one of them out there only sets them (and the team) up for failure.
 
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If I were a recruit the one thing I would be concerned with is the possibility that UT would even consider losing confidence in Coach Jones at this point. Why would a recruit even want to chance attending and playing for a school with such a lack of integrity.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
They were a preseason Top 5 team, and got whipped by Georgia Tech in a bowl game, so how did those losses hurt?

They make the right hire, they start winning quicker than we will.
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They lost out on a lot of recruits they otherwise could have been in on. Some in last year's class and some in this year's. It's going to be months before they make a hire, and who is to say they get the "right hire" this time around? They didn't on the last one.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
There is no hidden meaning, but mounting losses and near misses to teams you should beat handily WILL hurt recruiting. It did to Kiffin, and it WILL hurt CBJ if this team doesn't improve even a little over the past few years.
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New system, Butch's first year. We'll be fine.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
....about the current recruiting class (and beyond). The losses USC experienced has caused recruits to drop like flies. To keep this (UT) class fairly intact and/or build on it, he and the staff are going to HAVE to work some magic these next few weeks, and beat expectations....which are lower now than they were before we started losing.

You can sell only so many promises. Many will want to see SOME tangible improvement on in this team, and right now, there doesn't appear to be any, except on the defensive side of the ball.

I'm hoping against hope that Worley can have a breakout game against UGA like Crompton did a few years ago, but I'm not counting on it. Not playing one of the freshman, at all...doesn't show recruits...especially the receivers, that there is much hope for the future. So, he REALLY needs to show something there...going to HAVE to burn one of their redshirts to do that.
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I am with you in most of that, but your argument is flawed with respect to not playing freshmen. We played 14 or more yesterday.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Dude. Butch and Kiffin's situations are completely different. Kiffin had a stable program to walk into. Butch is literally rebuilding a program. I don't think Kiffin's falter has any impact or foreshadowing that Butch should even care about or worry over. Kiffin's classes still had players that are better than the majority. California's three stars are better than most states' 5 stars. Kiffin lost his job because he couldn't coach up players and he didn't recruit a QB.
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The only meaningful connection between Kiffin and Jones is that less than five players signed by kiffin are still on Tennessee's team this year. This i also one of the prime reasons we have such a talent deficient this year. I admit that Dooley did not leave many SEC caliber players either.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
....about the current recruiting class (and beyond). The losses USC experienced has caused recruits to drop like flies. To keep this (UT) class fairly intact and/or build on it, he and the staff are going to HAVE to work some magic these next few weeks, and beat expectations....which are lower now than they were before we started losing.

You can sell only so many promises. Many will want to see SOME tangible improvement on in this team, and right now, there doesn't appear to be any, except on the defensive side of the ball.

I'm hoping against hope that Worley can have a breakout game against UGA like Crompton did a few years ago, but I'm not counting on it. Not playing one of the freshman, at all...doesn't show recruits...especially the receivers, that there is much hope for the future. So, he REALLY needs to show something there...going to HAVE to burn one of their redshirts to do that.
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:lolabove::lolabove::blink::crazy:
Candidate for the dumbest thread that will start on Kiffin

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vols 30 said:
He seems set on not playing the freshman. Worley will play every snap the rest of the year.
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The freshmen will play when they have learned enough to be an asset to the team . Until then, Worley is the guy unless he is injured this season.
 
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calban said:
Mind boggling!
You're saying Butch is on the hot seat in his first season?
Or his recruits will jump ship?
If we'd just landed Gruden. We'd be undefeated!
Yep.
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Read the post before you start flaming. It was a reference to recruiting...how damaging it can be when the team underperforms and has a number of disappointing losses. If this team goes 4-8 or 5-7 again, it's going to be mighty hard to convince this current class that things WILL get better...when nothing in his first year gives credence to that notion.

The point is, if CBJ wants to keep this class intact, with a Top 5-10 finish, he needs to show some promise on the field.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
....about the current recruiting class (and beyond). The losses USC experienced has caused recruits to drop like flies. To keep this (UT) class fairly intact and/or build on it, he and the staff are going to HAVE to work some magic these next few weeks, and beat expectations....which are lower now than they were before we started losing.

You can sell only so many promises. Many will want to see SOME tangible improvement on in this team, and right now, there doesn't appear to be any, except on the defensive side of the ball.

I'm hoping against hope that Worley can have a breakout game against UGA like Crompton did a few years ago, but I'm not counting on it. Not playing one of the freshman, at all...doesn't show recruits...especially the receivers, that there is much hope for the future. So, he REALLY needs to show something there...going to HAVE to burn one of their redshirts to do that.
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Thanks for the laugh.
 
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Advol said:
:lolabove::lolabove::blink::crazy:
Candidate for the dumbest thread that will start on Kiffin

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Dumb for stating that he will have to show recruits something, in order to keep the current class intact? Again, Kiffin's losses have hurt him on the recruiting trail. CBJ is not immune to that reality. 4-5* kids typically want to play somewhere that is either good or shows promise. If this team continues to go in reverse, how do you suppose he can convince recruits to buy-in?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
They lost out on a lot of recruits they otherwise could have been in on. Some in last year's class and some in this year's. It's going to be months before they make a hire, and who is to say they get the "right hire" this time around? They didn't on the last one.
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Franklin would be a perfect fit at USC.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
....about the current recruiting class (and beyond). The losses USC experienced has caused recruits to drop like flies. To keep this (UT) class fairly intact and/or build on it, he and the staff are going to HAVE to work some magic these next few weeks, and beat expectations....which are lower now than they were before we started losing.

You can sell only so many promises. Many will want to see SOME tangible improvement on in this team, and right now, there doesn't appear to be any, except on the defensive side of the ball.

I'm hoping against hope that Worley can have a breakout game against UGA like Crompton did a few years ago, but I'm not counting on it. Not playing one of the freshman, at all...doesn't show recruits...especially the receivers, that there is much hope for the future. So, he REALLY needs to show something there...going to HAVE to burn one of their redshirts to do that.
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So much fail here, so little time. Everyone is now dumber for having read this.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Dude. Butch and Kiffin's situations are completely different. Kiffin had a stable program to walk into. Butch is literally rebuilding a program. I don't think Kiffin's falter has any impact or foreshadowing that Butch should even care about or worry over. Kiffin's classes still had players that are better than the majority. California's three stars are better than most states' 5 stars. Kiffin lost his job because he couldn't coach up players and he didn't recruit a QB.
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Not sure if serious
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
....about the current recruiting class (and beyond). The losses USC experienced has caused recruits to drop like flies. To keep this (UT) class fairly intact and/or build on it, he and the staff are going to HAVE to work some magic these next few weeks, and beat expectations....which are lower now than they were before we started losing.

You can sell only so many promises. Many will want to see SOME tangible improvement on in this team, and right now, there doesn't appear to be any, except on the defensive side of the ball.

I'm hoping against hope that Worley can have a breakout game against UGA like Crompton did a few years ago, but I'm not counting on it. Not playing one of the freshman, at all...doesn't show recruits...especially the receivers, that there is much hope for the future. So, he REALLY needs to show something there...going to HAVE to burn one of their redshirts to do that.
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I understand your points, they're valid. One big difference between the 2 scenarios is expectations... USC was widely expected to contend for a national championship last year... they've now lost 11 of their last 15 games iirc. No such expectations exist here, for now.

Also, don't discount the recruiting methods used by Kiffin and what pricks he and Orgeron are.... it matters.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Dude. Butch and Kiffin's situations are completely different. Kiffin had a stable program to walk into. Butch is literally rebuilding a program. I don't think Kiffin's falter has any impact or foreshadowing that Butch should even care about or worry over. Kiffin's classes still had players that are better than the majority. California's three stars are better than most states' 5 stars. Kiffin lost his job because he couldn't coach up players and he didn't recruit a QB.
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If we lose to Missouri, Vandy, and KY, then it sends the very same signal to recruits about this program, that the losses at USC did to their recruits. That neither are headed in the right direction.

I don't think anyone here expected Butch to do worse than Dooley....but if he does, then we WILL lose some of this class. Those of you making cowardly sharp-tongued remarks from behind the safety of your keyboard, will be looking pretty stupid, come NSD, if this team does worse than the last 2-3.
 
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