Kirkland Jr. out

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Those quotes from Butch make me a little more optimistic. Why bring up the Smith timetable (one that reduced from what was expected) if you expected Kirkland to be out a long time?

Guess we will know Wednesday
 
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McDad said:
Where I agree with the theme of your posts in this thread: Jumper is not the caliber of LB suited for the SEC. I've heard others describe him as the perfect fit for programs like Ivy League and Service Academies; I agree with those assessments.

Where I disagree: Shoop made his mark in the SEC at Vandy with an entire defense of Jumper-caliber athletes. Shoop not only competed but also came away with several impressive victories. UT's defense is more athletic as a whole with Jumper than the defense of Vandy.

You and I both liked the hiring of Shoop. I've cooled on him a bit after last year while you have remained optimistic. Seems to me if Shoop is as good as advertised, he can compete and win with a player like Jumper since he used to field a whole team of those kinds of players.
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It's already been posted....we beat quality teams with Jumper in...V-T, UF, UGA. Should have beat TA-M and would have if CBJ had used trick play on last (PAT), fake extra point kick...lateral to JJ on end around and he has option to run ball in or dump it over linemen to Wolfe. That game would not have ended in tie forcing OT.
I have read 400 posts on this thread....and have yet to read the names Sapp, Reid, and A.Smith. I think Bates and El Berry have been mentioned. UT is moving players around into various positions to get them accustomed to the "whole" defense and coach Shoop was notorious for disguised blitzes while at Penn St.
Losing DKjr is not good for various reasons but the drop-off isn't that bad when looking at the entire defense which,IMO, is vastly under-rated at this point by both UT fans and the media. We'll see. GBO!!!!!!
 
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mitzustu said:
Those quotes from Butch make me a little more optimistic. Why bring up the Smith timetable (one that reduced from what was expected) if you expected Kirkland to be out a long time?

Guess we will know Wednesday
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Heather on WMNL this mirning said half a season. Not sure where shes getting that info if he's not had any tests yet.
 
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I expect Jones to do what good coaches do. Replace DKjr, adjust the scheme as necessary to compensate for any drop off that individual may cause, and win football games.

I just don't buy that other programs can have injuries and deal with them while UT's become an excuse for the coach.
 
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CBJ - "Jumper will be the next man up at the MLB position due to Kirklands injuries."

Volnation - "Butch doesn't know what he's doing. Jumper sucks!"


Chip Kelly or a different HC - "Jumper will be the next man up at the MLB position due to Kirklands injuries."

Volnation - "I trust our coaches to make the right decisions. Jumper will do great!"


Say what you want but this is clearly an excuse for people who don't like Butch, just so they can find something to complain about again.
 
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Nationdom said:
Ignont and Bituli will at the very least match what Kirkland brought.what they need is game expirence. Learning on the fly, cast into the fire. Butch has shown a pattern of not playing the best player. Sickening.
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Hopefully our offense can "light it up" which means getting 3 score leads,(15-18 pts.) and we can get our younger, less experienced players on the field. Sadly, I've had that thought the past 3 years and barely beat App. St. and played Ohio close last year. Many players got reps against Tn Tech and some against Mo. but still that's not enough. If we do "cast them into the fire" likely to result in several losses.....and fire the coaches is all you'll hear on VN.
 
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Some on here saying Bituli needs to be the starting MLB now. Is he even 100% yet? What's the status on Sapp?
 
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jakez4ut said:
good question......
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He drew praise from Shoop the other day in one of the practice threads a week or so ago. I have to think he'll be a factor in the middle. Jumper may start but I can see Bituli and/or Sapp getting a lot of pt as the season progresses. I like Jumper and his heart but I think the youngster was exploited by USCe and Vandy last year and we'll see more Os doing the same thing whenever he is in there.
 
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Remy said:
He drew praise from Shoop the other day in one of the practice threads a week or so ago. I have to think he'll be a factor in the middle. Jumper may start but I can see Bituli and/or Sapp getting a lot of pt as the season progresses. I like Jumper and his heart but I think the youngster was exploited by USCe and Vandy last year and we'll see more Os doing the same thing whenever he is in there.
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yeah, i saw that a week or so ago too, nothing since. i think he's better outside, no? i thought that's how they had him on the 2 deep iirc... longer, a bit more range...quicker.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Either way, if CJ is the best option and he can't keep up
With SEC talent-CBJs fault
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Fortunately, we don't play SEC until our 3rd game.

Coaches seem to be saying this young man knows the position best right now. Fine.

In addition to him, we have some pretty athletic guys.

We'll do what we have to do, and be more ready by the time SEC rolls around.

And I'm sure Butch knows that's what he gets the big bucks for.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
CBJ - "Jumper will be the next man up at the MLB position due to Kirklands injuries."

Volnation - "Butch doesn't know what he's doing. Jumper sucks!"


Chip Kelly or a different HC - "Jumper will be the next man up at the MLB position due to Kirklands injuries."

Volnation - "I trust our coaches to make the right decisions. Jumper will do great!"


Say what you want but this is clearly an excuse for people who don't like Butch, just so they can find something to complain about again.
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I like Butch but I also feel Jumper is a liability on defense...Where do I fall?
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Hearing speculation and had the thought myself that they could move McDowell inside if necessary.
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Exactly. I know I didn't just dream that I heard all LBs should work on learning all LB positions.

I would be totally cool with Sapp-McDowell-A.Smith, or even Sapp-A.Smith-McDowell, though I have really been wanting to see the 2017 version of Bituli on the field.

Having said all that, if our coaches deem that Jumper is currently one of our best 2 or 3 options ... who am I to claim I know more than they do about what we have right now?
 
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tbones0711 said:
Should have beat TA-M and would have if CBJ had used trick play on last (PAT), fake extra point kick...lateral to JJ on end around and he has option to run ball in or dump it over linemen to Wolfe. That game would not have ended in tie forcing OT.

GBO!!!!!!
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I think all those turnovers had more to do with the loss than that one play, but go ahead and blame Butch anyway.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Exactly. I know I didn't just dream that I heard all LBs should work on learning all LB positions.

I would be totally cool with Sapp-McDowell-A.Smith, or even Sapp-A.Smith-McDowell, though I have really been wanting to see the 2017 version of Bituli on the field.

Having said all that, if our coaches deem that Jumper is currently one of our best 2 or 3 options ... who am I to claim I know more than they do about what we have right now?
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If jumper beats out McDowell and the rest it's because he is better = haters gonna hate.
 
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mitzustu said:
Those quotes from Butch make me a little more optimistic. Why bring up the Smith timetable (one that reduced from what was expected) if you expected Kirkland to be out a long time?

Guess we will know Wednesday
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The reason he brought up Smith's injury was strictly for a reference point of why they're "still evaluating DKJrs injury". Obviously, the initial diagnosis and time out of the lineup was badly off, so they're being extra cautious about DKJrs injury. It wasn't to say "since Josh will perhaps be ready to play vs GaTech, DKJr may be ready too".
 
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KBVol said:
The reason he brought up Smith's injury was strictly for a reference point of why they're "still evaluating DKJrs injury". Obviously, the initial diagnosis and time out of the lineup was badly off, so they're being extra cautious about DKJrs injury. It wasn't to say "since Josh will perhaps be ready to play vs GaTech, DKJr may be ready too".
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I wasn't insinuating that he'd be ready for Tech. Only that maybe he'll be ready ahead of Hyams 6 week projection as Smith was ahead of his 4-8 week projection.
 
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