Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

[ButchPlz]

Then I guess you are right, we should depend on teenagers with no training for help. They are a pillar of the community.

I’ll say it again, Rittenhouse didn’t break any laws, but he had no reason to be out there. It is what it is and people died and he is standing trial because he didn’t stay home.

I legitimately believe and hope he is found not guilty. But no reasonable person would do it again, present company excluded, it seems.

If that's literally the last available help...?

Law enforcement, politicians, adults in the community- they're all failing. Badly.

 

[rjd970]

If the cops was going to come they would have already been there. They left the city to burn. No help was coming.

I’m still not going to depend on an untrained teenager for help. Why would I?

 

[VolnJC]

I would ask law enforcement and people trained and paid to do so for help. If it is my business I’m out there armed to teeth daring somebody to be stupid. If I see a teenager out there with a rifle I’m telling him I think he should go home, but you do you.

Police were thankful for Kyle's group and by the Constitution Kyle was old enough to join a militia and he had more training than the adult felons on how to handle a gun and first aid

 

[RikidyBones]

Then I guess you are right, we should depend on teenagers with no training for help. They are a pillar of the community.

I’ll say it again, Rittenhouse didn’t break any laws, but he had no reason to be out there. It is what it is and people died and he is standing trial because he didn’t stay home.

I legitimately believe and hope he is found not guilty. But no reasonable person would do it again, present company excluded, it seems.

You didn't limit it to just teenagers. You labeled anyone that would help as an idiot so let's stop acting like that matters. Would you ask someone else for help to defend your business or would you do it alone?

If somebody loots my business or breaks into my house or attacks me or my family they will be shot. But I’m not going out of my way to look for it. Why would anybody? Doing so is not serving the community, it’s being a total idiot

 

[rjd970]

If that's literally the last available help...?

Law enforcement, politicians, adults in the community- they're all failing. Badly.

Yes, even if that is literally the last available help. Why would anybody want an untrained teenager by their side?

Let me ask you this, if it was such a good idea, would you encourage your teenage son to go out if his way to insert himself in this kind of situation with a firearm?

 

[rjd970]

You didn't limit it to just teenagers. You labeled anyone that would help as an idiot so let's stop acting like that matters. Would you ask someone else for help to defend your business or would you do it alone?

How many riots did you go to armed and ready to defend the community last year? And if you didn’t, why not?

You’re making it sound as if this was some sort of civic duty.

 

[RockyTop85]

It's less laughable than trying to paint him as a war monger. He is the only one of the people in question that showed up to do positive things and certainly the only one of the ones in question to DO positive things during that time frame. I think we needed more people willing to protect their communities so the rioters were deterred from causing damage and mayhem. Is he a hero ? Eh. That's a stretch.

Given your opinion on officers, it seems you wouldn't think they are the appropriate party either so where's that leave the community? SOL?

The government failed to do it. If we want actual blame for the incidents, it's the individuals that ordered the police to stand down and rejected national guard help. It ends there.

Is there evidence of the last two guys doing something other than protesting? I legitimately don’t know.

Surely you’re not saying their chasing/trying to subdue Kyle renders them “not there to do positive things?”

 

[ButchPlz]

Yes, even if that is literally the last available help. Why would anybody want an untrained teenager by their side?

Let me ask you this, if it was such a good idea, would you encourage your teenage son to go out if his way to insert himself in this kind of situation with a firearm?

Encourage? Probably not. I'd want to stop him, I'm sure, but I don't have a kid and can't speak to a silly hypothetical reasonably. Besides, people have been encouraging their teenage kids to go into actual combat situations since time immemorial. Is this really that different?

Edit to add: I'd rather them do at least something to keep the local area safer than go off to fight a pointless fight in the sand somewhere, for certain.

 

[rjd970]

Encourage? Probably not. I'd want to stop him, I'm sure, but I don't have a kid and can't speak to a silly hypothetical reasonably. Besides, people have been encouraging their teenage kids to go into actual combat situations since time immemorial. Is this really that different?

Edit to add: I'd rather them do at least something to keep the local area safer than go off to fight a pointless fight in the sand somewhere, for certain.

Of course this is different from a combat scenario. Lol, really? Somebody going off to combat has been through training and is following orders through a chain of command.

This guy was out by himself looking to insert himself into a situation. Once aggression started he was well within his rights to defend himself, but it could have easily been avoided altogether in the first place.

 

[ButchPlz]

Of course this is different from a combat scenario. Lol, really? Somebody going off to combat has been through training and is following orders through a chain of command.

This guy was out by himself looking to insert himself into a situation. Once aggression started he was well within his rights to defend himself, but it could have easily been avoided altogether in the first place.

This applies to every military across all time, as I noted in my post? Our existence isn't just a vacuum. You can argue he's stupid for inserting himself into a dangerous situation like this, but you should also argue that teenagers going into or that have gone into military situations are stupid, or people stepping in to stop spontaneous crimes are stupid (like the guys in France on the train), and on and on. Now, please call those people all stupid- be consistent.

 

[rjd970]

This applies to every military across all time, as I noted in my post? Our existence isn't just a vacuum. You can argue he's stupid for inserting himself into a dangerous situation like this, but you should also argue that teenagers going into or that have gone into military situations are stupid, or people stepping in to stop spontaneous crimes are stupid (like the guys in France on the train), and on and on. Now, please call those people all stupid- be consistent.

No it doesn’t. Somebody stepping into to stop a spontaneous crime is not even in the same universe as somebody looking for it. And as far as the military, people are signing up to go through training beforehand, and looking to go into a potentially lethal situation with a chain of command and and support.

It’s an odd hill to die on comparing this situation with military service and random acts of crime.

 

[RikidyBones]

How many riots did you go to armed and ready to defend the community last year? And if you didn’t, why not?

You’re making it sound as if this was some sort of civic duty.

My community didn't need it. No one was destructive.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I sure as hell wouldn't want or allow an armed teenager to protect my property.



And these people didn't request the help either.

 

[ButchPlz]

No it doesn’t. Somebody stepping into to stop a spontaneous crime is not even in the same universe as somebody looking for it. And as far as the military, people are signing up to go through training beforehand, and looking to go into a potentially lethal situation with a chain of command and and support.

It’s an odd hill to die on comparing this situation with military service and random acts of crime.

I'm not dying on any hill. You are the one calling a kid an idiot- fine- I'm asking you to be consistent.

Second, you're being intentionally narrow-minded and, if you want to go down this route, fairly stupid yourself. Do you even read the posts I made? You're implying that all militaries across all time go through the same training and structure of our current, modern US military. As far as "mobs", were the guys around Crispus Attucks idiots? Were the people that gathered to protest the British and "looking for it" idiots? What about the minimally trained folks the US armed in Bosnia and Kosovo (more recently), are they idiots looking for trouble? How about the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots, were they idiots looking for trouble? Go on the record. Call them all idiots.

Think before you post.

 

[newyorkvol]

I sure as hell wouldn't want or allow an armed teenager to protect my property.



And these people didn't request the help either.

This is in no way a defense, but how old do you have to be to join the infantry?

 

[ButchPlz]

This is in no way a defense, but how old do you have to be to join the infantry?

(also, didn't someone testify that the owners of that business did in fact ask for help?)

 

[rjd970]

I'm not dying on any hill. You are the one calling a kid an idiot- fine- I'm asking you to be consistent.

Second, you're being intentionally narrow-minded and, if you want to go down this route, fairly stupid yourself. Do you even read the posts I made? You're implying that all militaries across all time go through the same training and structure of our current, modern US military. Were the guys around Crispus Attucks idiots? Were the people that gathered to protest the British and "looking for it" idiots? What about the minimally trained folks the US armed in Bosnia and Kosovo (more recently), are they idiots looking for trouble? How about the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots, were they idiots looking for trouble?

Think before you post.

This was not a combat scenario, nor a random crime he happened upon by accident. In no world are they the same as this scenario.

Think about what you are posting…you are actually bringing up Bosnia and Kosovo and saying I’m being inconsistent. Sheesh.

 

[Vol8188]

You would go through all this again? Trial, lawyer fees, the headache? I wouldn’t go through it once, much less again and again.

Yes I see responsibility to my community. I’m not, however, stupid enough to walk into an inflamed situation with tensions high.

If somebody loots my business or breaks into my house or attacks me or my family they will be shot. But I’m not going out of my way to look for it. Why would anybody? Doing so is not serving the community, it’s being a total idiot.

Seems the only idiots are the ones who attacked a young man with a gun. He never should have went through a trial and legal fees. I've seen no evidence (I would be genuinely interested if anyone can provide any) to suggest Rittenhouse was the aggressor.

 

[rjd970]

Seems the only idiots are the ones who attacked a young man with a gun. He never should have went through a trial and legal fees. I've seen no evidence (I would be genuinely interested if anyone can provide any) to suggest Rittenhouse was the aggressor.

I don’t know if he was the aggressor, and frankly don’t care. My point is it all could have easily avoided. And the thugs running around looting and attacking an armed person are even more stupid. The entire situation could have been avoided at multiple levels.

 

[RikidyBones]

Is there evidence of the last two guys doing something other than protesting? I legitimately don’t know.

Surely you’re not saying their chasing/trying to subdue Kyle renders them “not there to do positive things?”

You changed your initial question.

What are the individuals in question doing at a riot? If attendence is enough to damn Rittenhouses intent, it's enough to damn everyone else as well.

Interesting that attacking someone with a skateboard from behind is now considered subduing.

What were those individuals doing at a used car lot protesting ? Who were they looking for change from at a used car lot?

 

[Vol8188]

He was there to confront, otherwise why would you show up to a riot with a gun? Active "protection" requires and expects confrontation. He was literally a participant in the event and doesn't matter which "side" he was there supporting. Stop pretending this idiot kid was there to sing kum by yah and be a be an arbiter of peaceful change.

If you want to argue he had the right and was in the right to defend himself, I'll be right there with you. But if you're suggesting it was a good idea to go to a riot, openly armed then I'll have to assume you lack the same awareness Kyle does.

Who did he confront? Why go there with a gun? I literally go everywhere with a gun. Why do I have a gun in my home? Because I may have to protect myself and/or property.

His actions are clear. He went there to put out fires and render aid. Did you see him doing anything other that? Did you see him confront anyone?

 

[RikidyBones]

I'm not dying on any hill. You are the one calling a kid an idiot- fine- I'm asking you to be consistent.

Second, you're being intentionally narrow-minded and, if you want to go down this route, fairly stupid yourself. Do you even read the posts I made? You're implying that all militaries across all time go through the same training and structure of our current, modern US military. As far as "mobs", were the guys around Crispus Attucks idiots? Were the people that gathered to protest the British and "looking for it" idiots? What about the minimally trained folks the US armed in Bosnia and Kosovo (more recently), are they idiots looking for trouble? How about the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots, were they idiots looking for trouble? Go on the record. Call them all idiots.

Think before you post.

Rooftop Koreans is the analogy here and I commend them as well

 

[ButchPlz]

This was not a combat scenario, nor a random crime he happened upon by accident. In no world are they the same as this scenario.

Think about what you are posting…you are actually bringing up Bosnia and Kosovo and saying I’m being inconsistent. Sheesh.

I'm pointing out teenagers and young people going into dangerous situations, all to (in their perspective) defend their communities. Don't be obtuse. I even gave you a 100% directly comparable situation with the Koreans. Call them idiots. Go on the record. Otherwise you continue to be inconsistent at best, cowardly at worst (and most likely).

 

[VolnJC]

I sure as hell wouldn't want or allow an armed teenager to protect my property.



And these people didn't request the help either.

Funny they were there with Kyle and his group during the riots...guess it just slipped their mind much like their insurance claim figures.

 

[RikidyBones]

How many riots did you go to armed and ready to defend the community last year? And if you didn’t, why not?

You’re making it sound as if this was some sort of civic duty.

I'd wager that it is. Protecting yourself and community from aggressors is a good idea. I encourage everyone to carry for that purpose.