Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

[Weezer]

Because the felons chased rittenhouse and assaulted him and grabbed his gun as he was fleeing. Arbury was not going to get shot until he turned around and grabbed the shotgun and attacked the son. Both led to their own deaths by stupidity

I think your take on Arbery is way off. I hope those involved go to jail for a very long time. They deserve it.


KR should be acquitted of murder charges. Whether or not he will be, we'll see. I'm curious why deliberations are going on as long as they have.

 

[Weezer]

There have been some people in the Arbery thread asking why he didn't try to flee as well.

He did try to flee. They kept following him.

 

[Septic]

The conversation was about the incident as a whole. You responded to that conversation by blaming Kyle for being there and acting as a vigilante. While completely ignoring the fact that at no point did him attempting to enforce a law lead to this incident. This isn’t a case of a 17 year old attempting a citizens arrest or shooting people for rioting.

That’s what makes this so absurd. The other side was actual behaving as vigilantes and they willing went to and participated in a riot. Yet you seem to only take issue with why the kid was there, but have no issue with why the people he shot were there.

It seems you have everything here backwards. You even take issue with the kid having a gun. Isn’t the gun what saved his life here? Seems this incident would’ve had a far worse outcome if he was unarmed. I’d rather we lose a pedophile than a kid who’s worst crime is not wanting people to burn businesses to the ground.

You're grandstanding against positions I don't hold.

The rioters were absolutely wrong, the people who went after the kid were absolutely wrong. He was right to defend himself. BUT that doesn't change that Kyle put himself in position for this trouble by showing up to a damn riot with the intention to confront them. Which is also absolutely stupid.

That point was the totality of my position and statement. Your decision to invent a different arguments to attack is what's absurd.

Seems you'd have everyone believe he was there knitting sweaters and reading his Bible.

Like I said, kids showing up to riots, armed is a recipe for disaster (for either side).

 

[Septic]

I think your take on Arbery is way off. I hope those involved go to jail for a very long time. They deserve it.


KR should be acquitted of murder charges. Whether or not he will be, we'll see. I'm curious why deliberations are going on as long as they have.

Rickyvol77 logic: When one guy fights back against his attackers it's stupidity, when the other one does it he's a hero. He gets to decide how he applies it to a given situation, consistency be damned.

 

[Vol8188]

You're grandstanding against positions I don't hold.

The rioters were absolutely wrong, the people who went after the kid were absolutely wrong. He was right to defend himself. BUT that doesn't change that Kyle put himself in position for this trouble by showing up to a damn riot with the intention to confront them. Which is also absolutely stupid.

That point was the totality of my position and statement. Your decision to invent a different arguments to attack is what's absurd.

Seems you'd have everyone believe he was there knitting sweaters and reading his Bible.

Like I said, kids showing up to riots, armed is a recipe for disaster (for either side).

Except he didn’t actually confront anyone. There’s video of him with a group of men at a gas station and a group of protesters confronting them. Then obviously the four men he shot also confronted him.

But who did he confront and when?

 

[Sandman 423]

Rickyvol77 logic: When one guy fights back against his attackers it's stupidity, when the other one does it he's a hero. He gets to decide how he applies it to a given situation, consistency be damned.

Honestly, If Arbery would have gotten the gun and killed his attackers, I'd be cool with it.

 

[RikidyBones]

You're grandstanding against positions I don't hold.

The rioters were absolutely wrong, the people who went after the kid were absolutely wrong. He was right to defend himself. BUT that doesn't change that Kyle put himself in position for this trouble by showing up to a damn riot with the intention to confront them. Which is also absolutely stupid.

That point was the totality of my position and statement. Your decision to invent a different arguments to attack is what's absurd.

Seems you'd have everyone believe he was there knitting sweaters and reading his Bible.

Like I said, kids showing up to riots, armed is a recipe for disaster (for either side).

Whether he should or shouldn't have been there is inconsequential. Nobody should have been there.

 

[rjd970]

Except he didn’t actually confront anyone. There’s video of him with a group of men at a gas station and a group of protesters confronting them. Then obviously the four men he shot also confronted him.

But who did he confront and when?

At the end of the day he didn’t need to be there, he intentionally put himself in that situation. Moreover, he did it with a rifle strapped to his chest.

Nothing illegal, and he rightfully defended himself. But incredibly stupid. If he would have just stayed home and played video games that night this entire situation wouldn’t have happened to him.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The difference between this case and the Aubrey case is KR was armed. If Aubrey had been armed he’d likely still be alive.
In one case the attackers died. In the other the attackers successfully murdered someone

 

[Orangeslice13]

At the end of the day he didn’t need to be there, he intentionally put himself in that situation. Moreover, he did it with a rifle strapped to his chest.

Nothing illegal, and he rightfully defended himself. But incredibly stupid. If he would have just stayed home and played video games that night this entire situation wouldn’t have happened to him.

All irrelevant

 

[rjd970]

Whether he should or shouldn't have been there is inconsequential. Nobody should have been there.

Maybe, but he was still a moron. Nobody should have been there, correct, but what reason do you go brandishing a weapon?

I don’t believe he should go to jail, but I would have a lot more sympathy for this kid if he was defending his property or business, or carrying concealed and decided his life was in danger to use it.

As it stands, he went looking for trouble. Like I said, a moron.

 

[rjd970]

All irrelevant

Irrelevant, legally? Yes.

It is absolutely relevant to the character of Rittenhouse himself.

 

[RikidyBones]

Maybe, but he was still a moron. Nobody should have been there, correct, but what reason do you go brandishing a weapon?

I don’t believe he should go to jail, but I would have a lot more sympathy for this kid if he was defending his property or business, or carrying concealed and decided his life was in danger to use it.

As it stands, he went looking for trouble. Like I said, a moron.

What reason? Is this a serious question? Did you miss the countless videos of unarmed people getting jumped, knocked out and some even killed last summer?

Again, him being there is not relevant.

 

[rjd970]

What reason? Is this a serious question? Did you miss the countless videos of unarmed people getting jumped, knocked out and some even killed last summer?

Again, him being there is not relevant.

Then what in the blue f*** was he doing there?

You can’t defend him being there with a firearm for self-defense without addressing why he was even there to begin with.

 

[Vol8188]

At the end of the day he didn’t need to be there, he intentionally put himself in that situation. Moreover, he did it with a rifle strapped to his chest.

Nothing illegal, and he rightfully defended himself. But incredibly stupid. If he would have just stayed home and played video games that night this entire situation wouldn’t have happened to him.

Such odd logic to me. You guys continually blame the minor instead of the adults who showed up to actually commit criminal acts

 

[hndog609]

Maybe, but he was still a moron. Nobody should have been there, correct, but what reason do you go brandishing a weapon?

I don’t believe he should go to jail, but I would have a lot more sympathy for this kid if he was defending his property or business, or carrying concealed and decided his life was in danger to use it.

As it stands, he went looking for trouble. Like I said, a moron.

It's a bit of a nuance but "brandishing" a weapon carries some specific connotations that I'm not sure we're met outside the context of self defense claims. Plus I don't believe brandishing is actually in the language in WI law.

As for carrying concealed at age 17 he was legally prohibited from carrying a handgun, concealed or otherwise.

 

[Vol8188]

It's not close to the same at all lol. Didn't Blake have a restraining order for the ordeal? Not pinning him as a rapist but they aren't on the same level at all. That's asinine, RT.

Kavanaughs accuser lacked any corroboration from her own named references, had zero recall to anything and didn't even confirm it was for sure Kavaunagh. That entire episode was an embarrassment to this country. That was a clear partisan attempt and it was gross. He got sent through and not a damn democrat cared about the Dr. after that.

This is one of the most amazing things in modern political history. A woman comes forward with a assault allegation thats decades old (no one is sure how old exactly because she can’t provide a year or her approximate age) and every single person she said was there the night she was assaulted, denies ever being at such a party.

Even the woman she called a lifelong friend who she said was there, denied ever being at such a party or ever meeting Brett K at any such party.

She went 0/4 on people she claimed were there that night as all of them denied ever being at any such event

 

[rjd970]

Such odd logic to me. You guys continually blame the minor instead of the adults who showed up to actually commit criminal acts

I blame everyone there. Have never said different. Rittenhouse doesn’t have any legal culpability, but he certainly has some blame in this.

You really disagree?

 

[Vol8188]

I blame everyone there. Have never said different. Rittenhouse doesn’t have any legal culpability, but he certainly has some blame in this.

You really disagree?

Yes. To blame someone you’d have to see fault in their actions. At no point have I seen indications he was an aggressor.

Where is the fault?

 

[rjd970]

Yes. To blame someone you’d have to see fault in their actions. At no point have I seen indications he was an aggressor.

He owns no fault for being there in the first place? What legitimate reason did he have for being there?

Same as the protestors breaking **** and looting. Nobody had a legitimate reason for being there. They are equally to blame. As it stands however, only one side here broke the law and Rittenhouse should be found not guilty.

 

[ButchPlz]

Does this sum up the common left wing sentiment?

 

[midnight orange]

The prosecutor creating grounds for dismissal in an appeal isn't good lawyering or dominating. It's gross misconduct and him not doing his job well.

Conservatives love to talk about the rule-breaking. Progressives play to win.

 

[Vol8188]

He owns no fault for being there in the first place? What legitimate reason did he have for being there?

Same as the protestors breaking **** and looting. Nobody had a legitimate reason for being there. They are equally to blame. As it stands however, only one side here broke the law and Rittenhouse should be found not guilty.

Those aren’t equal things. Rioting and protecting a business/rendering medical aid are on complete opposites of the moral spectrum. I don’t see the fault.

 

[rjd970]

Those aren’t equal things. Rioting and protecting a business/rendering medical aid are on complete opposites of the moral spectrum. I don’t see the fault.

Rittenhouse is a flippin moron but not a criminal, I don’t know how else to say it.

 

[RikidyBones]

Then what in the blue f*** was he doing there?

You can’t defend him being there with a firearm for self-defense without addressing why he was even there to begin with.

It's irrelevant. But he claims it was to help the community. He backed it up with his actions by cleaning graffiti, putting out fires and helping injured people whether he was certified or not. He had a weapon to protect himself and it turns out, it was a good decision.

If the people with intent to set fires, destroy, loot and riot weren't there, Rittenhouse isn't there. Rittenhouse is the only one that has a reasonable explanation to be there.