Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

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Septic said:
I agree, kind of.

By and large, LEO's today are marginally employable in any other capacity - the ranks are filled with guys with bull shark temperaments' and qualified immunity which is a terrible combination. Paying the LEO's MORE and removing the qualified immunity for negligence while also protecting whistleblowers and having outside organizations 'police' LEO conduct is fundamental for the public to regain trust. Getting a better class of person behind the badge is step one, pay them more but have them purchase their own "professional liability" insurance would be a great way to reign in some of the "shoot first, ask questions later mentality."

That's not to say there are some fine LEO's, there are - but when you see this sort of thing happen, it's hard to maintain the narrative that it's just a few bad apples.
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Fully agree. I’m not a cop but work alongside them every day, so I’ve seen plenty of the power hungry barely employable cops you’re talking about. It’s a damn shame because those are the ones that stay while the good ones usually have the smarts to either transfer to a small department with less problems or just find a new career. And then the type of recruits you’re seeing now wouldn’t make it past the interview 10 years ago.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One does not justify the other. Thats the fundamental problem and something the defenders of this young man's actions can't seem to grasp.
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You cannot seem to grasp that he may have been wanting to defend the property rights of others instead of "looking for confrontation." The latter is what you want to believe with no evidence to support this belief other than him showing up with a gun. Seems pretty ridiculous given that it would be difficult and stupid to defend property from armed rioters and looters without a gun.

You can argue that his choice to insert himself into the situation was not very smart. I would agree but that has nothing to do with the outcome of this case and the applicable law.
 
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Septic said:
I agree, kind of.

By and large, LEO's today are marginally employable in any other capacity - the ranks are filled with guys with bull shark temperaments' and qualified immunity which is a terrible combination. Paying the LEO's MORE and removing the qualified immunity for negligence while also protecting whistleblowers and having outside organizations 'police' LEO conduct is fundamental for the public to regain trust. Getting a better class of person behind the badge is step one, pay them more but having them purchase their own "professional liability" insurance would be a great way to reign in some of the "shoot first, ask questions later mentality."

The fact that they've been devalued, and underappreciated is self inflicted.

That's not to say there are some fine LEO's, there are - but when you see this sort of thing happen, it's hard to maintain the narrative that it's just a few bad apples.
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I agree with this for the most part. But I'd posit that this mentality, the bull shark which is a great descriptor by the way, is result of number of factors 1) large amount of ex military with possible psychological issues. 2) the public they deal with is increasingly to hostile, while I think police have done a lot of harm to their reputation it isn't the only reason, see number 3.
3) Society as a whole, at least here in the US seems to be in flux. Respect in general send to be very low, we are a nation of hyper sensitive, cynical people.
4) Failure of local municipalities to curb the steroid culture within departments and cultivate the serve and protect aspect of the job. Departments are also heavily at fault here imo but they are part of that municipality.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Here come the riots. Surely the Dems will denounce the violence
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Maybe not from all outlets but I strongly suspect there will be lot of "understanding" for the "frustrations" of any rioters followed by multiple instances of citing outright falsehoods regarding the shooting itself which brought about the aforementioned frustrations.
 
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hndog609 said:
Maybe not from all outlets but I strongly suspect there will be lot of "understanding" for the "frustrations" of any rioters followed by multiple instances of citing outright falsehoods regarding the shooting itself which brought about the aforementioned frustrations.
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These people are touched in the head
Frankly if they start loot and burning again I will have no sympathy for more “victims”
 
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lawgator1 said:
One does not justify the other. Thats the fundamental problem and something the defenders of this young man's actions can't seem to grasp.
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The young man wouldn't have been forced to shoot three people had the rioters left well enough alone.

Nor had they pursued him.

You see? This works both ways. Leave him the **** alone and you don't get shot.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The young man wouldn't have been forced to shoot three people had the rioters left well enough alone.

Nor had they pursued him.

You see? This works both ways. Leave him the **** alone and you don't get shot.
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Especially the first guy, the video I've seen illustrates how unbalanced he was. Between his demeanor and his past it's obvious he was mentally ill. He set this series of events in motion, the second group unfortunately followed his lead and continued the assault.

The video is abundantly clear. I'm not sure why anyone should be surprised of an acquittal being a distinct possibility. The prosecution failed to discount what the video illustrates.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Do you think the people who were shot were there to peacefully protest? Didn't one or two have a gun?
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If nobody was there to resist their rioting, looting, destruction, and assault on people then these upstanding citizens would still be here. That’s all that matters to the looney left.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Here come the riots. Surely the Dems will denounce the violence
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Well, you do realize that since he killed two white guys it is a racial thing, right? That is the only thing that makes sense. Rosenbaum was screaming 'shoot me ******' at a BLM sponsored riot... gets killed by Rittenhouse... and it is a racial thing... LOL

They don't even try to hide it anymore.
 
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C-south said:
If nobody was there to resist their rioting, looting, destruction, and assault on people then these upstanding citizens would still be here. That’s all that matters to the looney left.
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They could attack the courthouse and then Republicans would call them Patriots..
 
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