Kyle Trask TX QB

[LotteryPick]

That's not the point.

The point is we had our Dooley. Why people don't refer to Muschamp as our Dooley can only be for one reason and one reason only.

So instead, this new guy has to be our Dooley.

So what happens if UT wins this season? He's worse than Dooley? Since your "Dooley" owned UT, that would mean the new guy has taken a step further back.

 

[99gator]

False. Your Dooley was Ron Zook. So really we should call Dooley our Zook since he came first and failed at his job.
Will Muschamp was bad, and able to squeak out two wins against Butch, in which Butch made some of his worst gameday coaching decisions. We'll have to wait and see if McElwain will be any good or not.

Will Muschamp makes Ron Zook look like Vince Lombardi.

 

[99gator]

So what happens if UT wins this season? He's worse than Dooley? Since your "Dooley" owned UT, that would mean the new guy has taken a step further back.

No, he wouldn't be our Dooley.

To be a Dooley, you have to torpedo a program into irrelevance and state of suck that is almost unbearable.

Will Muschamp has already done that.

When Florida won the game last year, do you think I was really happy watching that trash?

 

[LotteryPick]

When Florida won the game last year, do you think I was really happy watching that trash?

I would hope anyone with a pulse was disgusted by how awful a game that was.

 

[KBVol]

False. Your Dooley was Ron Zook. So really we should call Dooley our Zook since he came first and failed at his job.
Will Muschamp was bad, and able to squeak out two wins against Butch, in which Butch made some of his worst gameday coaching decisions. We'll have to wait and see if McElwain will be any good or not.

Boy, I sure hope that Zook really wasn't their "Dooley"....what does that say about the respective levels of the program's if that's true? Zook went 23-14, 3 winning seasons, won 2/3 of his SEC games, finished 2nd/1st/3rd in the SECe, recruited great and had Meyer set up with enough talent that he won a NC 2 years later.

Dooley, on the other hand.......do I really need to compare records, numbers and state of the program?

 

[KBVol]

Lol, you're totally clueless. Your perspective is basically, "Yea we suck a** but we still beat Tennessee" If you're only worrying about beating Tennessee every year then I feel sorry for you.

After 10 straight wins and 18 of 22, I seriously doubt any fan, coach or player at Florida "only worries about beating Tennessee every year".

 

[DaddyChad]

I find these threads funny because you have to find the hidden truth.

I don't know how well McElwain will do. I can't predict the future. We'll see.

What I do know is we had our Dooley. Our Dooley was named Will Muschamp. The hidden truth with this thread and sentiment is that there is just a refusal for anyone here to acknowledge that Muschamp was our Dooley because (a) he never lost to Tennessee and (b) that would include a couple of wins over the guy who "gets it" and lost because, frankly, his team was more poorly coached that day.

People can't bear the fact that our Dooley.....our guy that destroyed the program.....our guy that brought the program to depths it had not seen in many a year.....still owned Tennessee.

So, he wasn't our Dooley. This new guy is our Dooley.

Muschamp was 11-2 one year and consistently brought in top tier talent. Horseface maybe a better coach but we haven't seen him coach a game for the Gators yet. Who gives a damn what the guy did at Colorado State, this is a whole different world entirely. So far I've seen a guy struggle to recruit to a university with a wealth of instate talent. And it's always the fans of the program that do not want to acknowledge to problem when others point it out to them.

 

[99gator]

Muschamp was 11-2 one year and consistently brought in top tier talent. Horseface maybe a better coach but we haven't seen him coach a game for the Gators yet. Who gives a damn what the guy did at Colorado State, this is a whole different world entirely. So far I've seen a guy struggle to recruit to a university with a wealth of instate talent. And it's always the fans of the program that do not want to acknowledge to problem when others point it out to them.

Muschamp went 4-8.....at Florida. 4-8. Dooley didn't go 4-8 at Tennessee.

Spare me the 11-2 with an NFL defense recruited by Urban Meyer with Seattle Seahawk defensive coordinator now Atlanta Falcon head coach Dan Quinn as defensive coordinator.

If Muschamp brought in a wealth of talent to Florida, why is it that Florida is picked to finish 5th in the SEC East and several people are picking Kentucky to end a 28 game winning streak and Tennessee to end a 10 game winning streak?

How would that be possible?

Muschamp brought nothing but a flamethrower and aimed it at the football program he ran.

Everyone anticipates Florida is going to be terrible precisely because Muschamp's recruiting was God awful, rankings be damned.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Boy, I sure hope that Zook really wasn't their "Dooley"....what does that say about the respective levels of the program's if that's true? Zook went 23-14, 3 winning seasons, won 2/3 of his SEC games, finished 2nd/1st/3rd in the SECe, recruited great and had Meyer set up with enough talent that he won a NC 2 years later.

Dooley, on the other hand.......do I really need to compare records, numbers and state of the program?

Should've used the bluefont. Dooley was a horrible coach, recruiter and failed in every way a head coach could. We may be finally getting over Dooley and how far back he set out program.
Muschamp was bad but wasn't Dooley bad and obviously neither was Zooker.

 

[Aesius]

Will UF fans accept 5-7 this year? I think the Gators have a tougher schedule than we had during Butch's first year. FSU=Oregon, but they also have East Carolina, which is a tougher opponent than 2013 WKU/South Alabama (playing them immediately after beating them in a bowl is bad luck as well). No FCS opponent is also a tough draw for a rebuilding year. Add to that an improved Kentucky and a (hopefully) SEC East contender Tennessee.

I know that 99 and the other UF fans that post here say that the fanbase will be patient with McElwain, but I find it hard to believe that the majority of fans won't be thinking "here we go again" if he fails to make a bowl in year one.

 

[butchna]

Stars don't mean everything. Butch has taken some 3* since he has been here.

There's a disconnect in Mac's recruiting strategy tho. He basically said olè to Sheriron Jones because (according to HG) he doesn't fit the offense as a dual threat. Now Florida has offered JG and actively courted the Clemson commit this past weekend...both dual threats! This is on his side of the ball and he's all over the place. This Trask kid seems like his type of QB that was just stuck behind a very good dual threat......so I'm not faulting his thinking on this commit. It might turn into a Dormady situation for him. Mac is never going to be Dooley level IMO, but he's not going into this SEC HC thing with a clear recruiting gameplan.

 

[99gator]

Will UF fans accept 5-7 this year? I think the Gators have a tougher schedule than we had during Butch's first year. FSU=Oregon, but they also have East Carolina, which is a tougher opponent than 2013 WKU/South Alabama (playing them immediately after beating them in a bowl is bad luck as well). No FCS opponent is also a tough draw for a rebuilding year. Add to that an improved Kentucky and a (hopefully) SEC East contender Tennessee.

I know that 99 and the other UF fans that post here say that the fanbase will be patient with McElwain, but I find it hard to believe that the majority of fans won't be thinking "here we go again" if he fails to make a bowl in year one.

I can only describe it this way and hope it makes sense.

In recent years, when Tennessee lost games that you expected to lose, I'm sure you weren't happy about it at the time. Just because you expect to lose to Alabama doesn't mean you are thrilled as you are watching it unfold. What you were hoping to see was light at the end of the tunnel showing you the program was moving in the right direction.

With that in mind, that's why the "win" over Tennessee last season, or even Georgia for that matter, wasn't really a win.

They looked like trash. Tennessee is self-explanatory. But, Georgia is the even better example. Loved every minute of it. I was at the game. It was a lot of fun. But, you aren't moving forward as a team or a program when a QB is 3-6 passing for 27 yards. We aren't running the triple option and even Georgia Tech and Navy are snickering at those kind of passing numbers.

I've seen games that Florida lost that were far more encouraging and made me optimistic about the future.

I want as many wins as they can get, but as crazy as you may think this is, I'd rather see the 2004 Florida-Tennessee game this season than the 2014 version.

I, maybe it's wishful thinking, am hoping and expecting to see a higher quality level of football being played even if it's not reflected in the win-loss total. If I see it, then, I believe the win-loss total will be where I hope to see it given time.

 

[DaddyChad]

UF is going to have a tough time. Young inexperienced Oline with that schedule.

 

[Aesius]

I can only describe it this way and hope it makes sense.

In recent years, when Tennessee lost games that you expected to lose, I'm sure you weren't happy about it at the time. Just because you expect to lose to Alabama doesn't mean you are thrilled as you are watching it unfold. What you were hoping to see was light at the end of the tunnel showing you the program was moving in the right direction.

With that in mind, that's why the "win" over Tennessee last season, or even Georgia for that matter, wasn't really a win.

They looked like trash. Tennessee is self-explanatory. But, Georgia is the even better example. Loved every minute of it. I was at the game. It was a lot of fun. But, you aren't moving forward as a team or a program when a QB is 3-6 passing for 27 yards. We aren't running the triple option and even Georgia Tech and Navy are snickering at those kind of passing numbers.

I've seen games that Florida lost that were far more encouraging and made me optimistic about the future.

I want as many wins as they can get, but as crazy as you may think this is, I'd rather see the 2004 Florida-Tennessee game this season than the 2014 version.

I, maybe it's wishful thinking, am hoping and expecting to see a higher quality level of football being played even if it's not reflected in the win-loss total. If I see it, then, I believe the win-loss total will be where I hope to see it given time.

Understandable. But you're a far more informed fan than most in the Gators fanbase (and I think almost anyone who posts on message boards qualifies regardless of the fanbase).

I think the difference between Tennessee and Florida fans is that there's a sizable percentage of your fans who may believe that McElwain will be a magic bullet for the program. Y'all just haven't been down long enough for the "We're Florida, dammit!" fans to come back to reality and realize that he needs a few years to get things rolling and that Urban Meyer's success in year one and two are the exception, not the rule, for coaching turnover.

We still have a few unrealistic fans in the Tennessee fanbase, of course, but Butch was fortunate to walk into a situation where even making and winning a bowl game in year two was like winning the national championship. The celebration in Jackonsville was ridiculous for what amounted to a "meaningless" bowl win over a slow Iowa team, but I enjoyed every minute of it.

A lot of that has to do with us being beaten down for nearly 10 years, whereas y'all still have two NCs in the past decade, a Heisman trophy winner, and two BCS Bowl appearances.

I just think Mac is in a tough situation this season. The smart fans know he needs time, but the average fan may see anything less than 7-5 as a failure, despite UF having a tough schedule and yet another offensive identity that needs time to develop and emerge.

 

[99gator]

Understandable. But you're a far more informed fan than most in the Gators fanbase (and I think almost anyone who posts on message boards qualifies regardless of the fanbase).

I think the difference between Tennessee and Florida fans is that there's a sizable percentage of your fans who may believe that McElwain will be a magic bullet for the program. Y'all just haven't been down long enough for the "We're Florida, dammit!" fans to come back to reality and realize that he needs a few years to get things rolling and that Urban Meyer's success in year one and two are the exception, not the rule, for coaching turnover.

We still have a few unrealistic fans in the Tennessee fanbase, of course, but Butch was fortunate to walk into a situation where even making and winning a bowl game in year two was like winning the national championship. The celebration in Jackonsville was ridiculous for what amounted to a "meaningless" bowl win over a slow Iowa team, but I enjoyed every minute of it.

A lot of that has to do with us being beaten down for nearly 10 years, whereas y'all still have two NCs in the past decade, a Heisman trophy winner, and two BCS Bowl appearances.

I just think Mac is in a tough situation this season. The smart fans know he needs time, but the average fan may see anything less than 7-5 as a failure, despite UF having a tough schedule and yet another offensive identity that needs time to develop and emerge.

All I can tell you is that Muschamp got 4 years. And Ron Zook received a lot more hell during his time at Florida than Muschamp received.

Even for the average fan this year, I don't think what you are suggesting is a problem.

Maybe, I'm naive. We'll see if the situation comes about. But, I think most people know what's coming. When the majority of the fan base would consider it surprising to see Florida win the SEC East, considering that we too have no respect for anyone else in the division, then that tells you people know where we are.

Now, as I said earlier, that doesn't mean people are going to be amused as they are watching it unfold during the year. But, they will also have expected it.

In addition, people won't blame McElwain. They'll blame Muschamp. As they should.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

All I can tell you is that Muschamp got 4 years. And Ron Zook received a lot more hell during his time at Florida than Muschamp received.

Even for the average fan this year, I don't think what you are suggesting is a problem.

Maybe, I'm naive. We'll see if the situation comes about. But, I think most people know what's coming. When the majority of the fan base would consider it surprising to see Florida win the SEC East, considering that we too have no respect for anyone else in the division, then that tells you people know where we are.

Now, as I said earlier, that doesn't mean people are going to be amused as they are watching it unfold during the year. But, they will also have expected it.

In addition, people won't blame McElwain. They'll blame Muschamp. As they should.

I'm not sure what's more absurd, the notion that McElwain is UF's Dooley, or McElwain should be on the hot seat if he loses to UT on 9/26.

The answer in both cases is no.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm not sure what's more absurd, the notion that McElwain is UF's Dooley, or McElwain should be on the hot seat if he loses to UT on 9/26.

The answer in both cases is no.

Mac seems to be a good coach in a bad situation who is having trouble recruiting.

























I hope to repeat that again every year for the next decade or so.

:hi:

 

[butchna]

Mac seems to be a good coach in a bad situation who is having trouble recruiting.

I hope to repeat that again every year for the next decade or so.
:hi:

You're on to something...Urban's last year with the Gators and the Muskrat tenure...highly rated classes...complaints of slipping talent? How does that happen?

 

[GLDunlap]

Not saying history will repeat but Grayson Garrett was also rated a 2* according to 247 and he ended up being a 3rd round draft pick. Watching Trask film he obviously has a big arm. McElwain knows quarterbacks.

 

[Vol8188]

Not saying history will repeat but Grayson Garrett was also rated a 2* according to 247 and he ended up being a 3rd round draft pick. Watching Trask film he obviously has a big arm. McElwain knows quarterbacks.

Like I said earlier, he's only a 2 star because he didn't start last year.

 

[GLDunlap]

Like I said earlier, he's only a 2 star because he didn't start last year.

You are probably right. Manvel is a power house in Texas. If they didn't have to play Katy they would never lose.

 

[McCat]

Congrats on your chest-beating, off-topic post that adds nothing to the discussion. Everybody here knows about 50-16, but it has nothing to do with this thread.

You're correct, this is a Florida bashing thread. That said, cats defense was pretty bad. Heck, I was in Knoxville for that game, and got 3 heisman votes just for being in the stands. FWIW, I think they'll be better this year.

 

[Tayriley88]

Pointless thread,Florida will end up taking a 2nd QB, Treon or Grier will end up leaving after this year so there is a need for 2 QBs this cycle even with Allen in '17. This commit is simply a backup or suprise commit. :glare:

 

[GLDunlap]

Pointless thread,Florida will end up taking a 2nd QB, Treon or Grier will end up leaving after this year so there is a need for 2 QBs this cycle even with Allen in '17. This commit is simply a backup or suprise commit. :glare:

Not as pointless as your post

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I've begun wondering about the recruiting at Florida under the current staff... is it more that FSU has been up and UF has been down, that Mcelwain doesn't exactly realize the talent he should be able to pull to UF yet, or maybe a bit of both.