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WilliamDuVOL said:
I've begun wondering about the recruiting at Florida under the current staff... is it more that FSU has been up and UF has been down, that Mcelwain doesn't exactly realize the talent he should be able to pull to UF yet, or maybe a bit of both.
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I know this may seem weird in this thread about a 2* QB who doesn't start for his team.

However, generally speaking, I don't know what the heck some of you are talking about with recruiting.

Recruiting is fine.

Where does this idea come from that recruiting is a problem?
 
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99gator said:
I know this may seem weird in this thread about a 2* QB who doesn't start for his team.

However, generally speaking, I don't know what the heck some of you are talking about with recruiting.

Recruiting is fine.

Where does this idea come from that recruiting is a problem?
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No problem...for us. :)
 
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99gator said:
I know this may seem weird in this thread about a 2* QB who doesn't start for his team.

However, generally speaking, I don't know what the heck some of you are talking about with recruiting.

Recruiting is fine.

Where does this idea come from that recruiting is a problem?
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I don't know, could be the fact 2015 isn't a good class after you get past the top heavy portion of the class.
 
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99gator said:
So, we're going to go off of a class he put together in a month?
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The time span is not relevant, because he still ended up with a class that does not have the quality depth needed for the SEC.

UT fans can tell you have much of a set back a bad class can be.
 
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99gator said:
So, we're going to go off of a class he put together in a month?
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I think they mean this class. You can't be satisified that he's filled a class with almost 20 guys at this point and only has four 4* or better. Part of that is, he hasn't coached a game yet, so recruits haven't seen his UF product on the field.
 
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LotteryPick said:
The time span is not relevant, because he still ended up with a class that does not have the quality depth needed for the SEC.

UT fans can tell you have much of a set back a bad class can be.
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That wasn't the implication.

The implication is that he can't recruit because of that one class.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I think they mean this class. You can't be satisified that he's filled a class with almost 20 guys at this point and only has four 4* or better. Part of that is, he hasn't coached a game yet, so recruits haven't seen his UF product on the field.
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I'm not concerned.

Part of that is I have heard it through the grapevine about what else is probably going to jump on board when all is said and done.

The other part is I know what part of the world these kids are from.
 
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99gator said:
I know this may seem weird in this thread about a 2* QB who doesn't start for his team.

However, generally speaking, I don't know what the heck some of you are talking about with recruiting.

Recruiting is fine.

Where does this idea come from that recruiting is a problem?
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There's no "marquee" name already in the fold.

Granted it's still early in the cycle.
 
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99gator said:
I'm not concerned.

Part of that is I have heard it through the grapevine about what else is probably going to jump on board when all is said and done.

The other part is I know what part of the world these kids are from.
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Why didn't Zook, Urban or Boom pursue these same type of kids then? These mid-level 3* with avg offer sheets have always been there, playing FL competition. Granted, like you, I give a lot more credence to a 3* from Broward or Dade Co than I do a 3* from say IL. I was born and raised in the Muck and saw and played against some of the best competition in the country. I couldn't help but laugh the first time I watched east TN high school football.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I'm not sure what's more absurd, the notion that McElwain is UF's Dooley, or McElwain should be on the hot seat if he loses to UT on 9/26.

The answer in both cases is no.
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I actually think McElwain is going to be the one to lose the streak. Eventually Tennessee is going to catch Florida. I'm not sure it'll be this year, but it's going to happen. It doesn't make McElwain a worse coach than Muschamp, nor does it make him Derek Dooley. It's just, streaks are eventually broken and the law of averages has to break Tennessee's way at some point.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Why didn't Zook, Urban or Boom pursue these same type of kids then? These mid-level 3* with avg offer sheets have always been there, playing FL competition. Granted, like you, I give a lot more credence to a 3* from Broward or Dade Co than I do a 3* from say IL. I was born and raised in the Muck and saw and played against some of the best competition in the country. I couldn't help but laugh the first time I watched east TN high school football.
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They did. People just dont remember the names.

People also dont remember the 5* star busts. There were plenty. We just remember guys like Tebow and Harvin. But, i can probably list 10-15, 5 star busts under Urban.

I can also name several Louis Murphy, Ahmad Black, Brandon James guys too.
 
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Butch was establishing himself as a stone-cold killer on the recruiting trail by his first July on the job. I think we got 6 or 7 4*s in July 2013 alone, although a couple of them ended up decommiting due to getting recruited over by NSD.

Recruiting may be "fine" under McElwain, but he's certainly not taking full advantage of being smack dab in the middle of 5* country.

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And I'm sorry, but seeing that wouldn't inspire much confidence in me as a Gators fan, especially since new coaches tend to enjoy a temporary boost in recruiting.

I certainly expect UF's class to look better come Feb. 5 or whenever NSD 2016 is, but back to back "so-so" classes aren't the classes that get you on the fast track back to being Florida.
 
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99gator said:
I know this may seem weird in this thread about a 2* QB who doesn't start for his team.

However, generally speaking, I don't know what the heck some of you are talking about with recruiting.

Recruiting is fine.

Where does this idea come from that recruiting is a problem?
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I'm not even referring to the QB at this point. I know his situation. I mean, CJM's strategy seems to be to take commitments from anyone and everyone he can. I've already stated I'm not passing judgment until I see his results on the field, but it seems very un-Florida-esque to load up on 3 stars early on in a state ripe with more 4 and 5 star talent than any other state in the country except maybe California or Georgia.

I'll say it again, I'm still in a wait and see stance, but it does puzzle me a little. He may pull some big fish in the end and silence all doubters. He managed to pull a fast one at the end of the last cycle and save that class from being terrible with Ivey and Jefferson. Without them that class would've been ranked 35th.

Currently, the only reason Florida is top 15 is a sheer numbers game. The average ranking for UF's class is lowest in the top 25 other than Kentucky and Duke. I know, I hate playing the stars game, but it is puzzling. I personally thought he'd be crushing it on the recruiting trail.

I'm not trying to argue here, these are merely my thoughts. I've read plenty of your posts and you seem to be level headed and collective, so if you aren't worried about his progress, I'll remain in my current stance and cautiously watch what unfolds.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
I've begun wondering about the recruiting at Florida under the current staff... is it more that FSU has been up and UF has been down, that Mcelwain doesn't exactly realize the talent he should be able to pull to UF yet, or maybe a bit of both.
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Or the talent doesn't realize the talent he should be able to pull to UF?

It's all so confusing.
 
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99gator said:
They did. People just dont remember the names.

People also dont remember the 5* star busts. There were plenty. We just remember guys like Tebow and Harvin. But, i can probably list 10-15, 5 star busts under Urban.

I can also name several Louis Murphy, Ahmad Black, Brandon James guys too.
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Only from the perspective that he has you trying to rationalize like Dooley recruiting had UT fans trying to rationalize: he is your Dooley. lol
 
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I went and looked it up.

Florida's recruiting classes have, by and large, been poor since 2008. I'm not talking about stars or recruiting ranking. I'm talking about how those guys actually panned out on the field.

The exception is the 2010 recruiting class on the defensive side of the ball which saw the signings of Dominique Easley, Shariff Floyd, Ronald Powell and Matt Elam. Combined with the 2009 signings of Jelani Jenkins and Jon Bostic formed the 2012 Gator defense that allowed the team to go to the Sugar Bowl.

The best skill positon player signed at Florida since 2006 (based on what they did on the field), other than Cam Newton who did his work at Auburn, is Mike Gillislee....IMO. I can understand votes for Jeff Demps, Chris Rainey, and Jordan Reed.

Derek Dooley signed better WR's in his 3 recruiting classes of 2010-2012 than Florida has signed from 2007-present based on actual play on the field. Florida hasn't signed a WR worth a damn since Percy Harvin and Riley Cooper were signed in 2006, unless you want to count Demarcus Robinson.

So, you can call it "excusing" or "rationalizing" all you want and that's fine, but people can talk about recruiting rankings all they want, Florida's recruiting since 2008 has been bad and on the offensive side of the ball in particular has been terrible.

So, I'll make a prediction for you all and you can take me up on it if you want.

Florida will get more actual quality play and production on the offensive side of the ball from signees in the 2015 and 2016 (yet to sign) classes than they did from what they signed from 2008-2013 combined.

And it really won't be that hard.
 
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I don't follow Florida recruiting and all of the current Florida commitments might turn out to be All-Americans; however, much of the Gators fans backing McElwain sounds a lot like the Tennessee fans during the Dooley years.

He was recruiting the high moral players.
This was the excuse for not getting any high rated players.

I am not comparing McElwain to Dooley at all... McElwain is at least somewhat proven, but you would still hope that the recruiting class would be better. A new coach usually recruits very well at big-time schools, and UF is in a recruiting hot zone.
 
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