Kyle Trask TX QB

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99gator said:
They did. People just dont remember the names.

People also dont remember the 5* star busts. There were plenty. We just remember guys like Tebow and Harvin. But, i can probably list 10-15, 5 star busts under Urban.

I can also name several Louis Murphy, Ahmad Black, Brandon James guys too.
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James was under the radar but Murphy and Black were top 40 position guys. The busts are plentiful which I think was coaching and/or attitudes and letting guys run amok. The offensive side of the ball was a disaster under Boom cause he had 3 OC's in 4 years with very different philosophies and he was stubborn with Driskel. WR couldn't perform when the ball was bouncing 3 yards in front of them. That 2012 team succeeded despite Driskel. You won't lose often only giving up 10-11ppg.
 
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99gator said:
I went and looked it up.

Florida's recruiting classes have, by and large, been poor since 2008. I'm not talking about stars or recruiting ranking. I'm talking about how those guys actually panned out on the field.

The exception is the 2010 recruiting class on the defensive side of the ball which saw the signings of Dominique Easley, Shariff Floyd, Ronald Powell and Matt Elam. Combined with the 2009 signings of Jelani Jenkins and Jon Bostic formed the 2012 Gator defense that allowed the team to go to the Sugar Bowl.

The best skill positon player signed at Florida since 2006 (based on what they did on the field), other than Cam Newton who did his work at Auburn, is Mike Gillislee....IMO. I can understand votes for Jeff Demps, Chris Rainey, and Jordan Reed.

Derek Dooley signed better WR's in his 3 recruiting classes of 2010-2012 than Florida has signed from 2007-present based on actual play on the field. Florida hasn't signed a WR worth a damn since Percy Harvin and Riley Cooper were signed in 2006, unless you want to count Demarcus Robinson.

So, you can call it "excusing" or "rationalizing" all you want and that's fine, but people can talk about recruiting rankings all they want, Florida's recruiting since 2008 has been bad and on the offensive side of the ball in particular has been terrible.

So, I'll make a prediction for you all and you can take me up on it if you want.

Florida will get more actual quality play and production on the offensive side of the ball from signees in the 2015 and 2016 (yet to sign) classes than they did from what they signed from 2008-2013 combined.

And it really won't be that hard.
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Well, from one 99 to another...ha ha...I think that shines the light on coaching/player development. You've had 3 OC's in 4 years, a coach that only cared about defense, and no decent QB in a long time. We have watched guys under Dooley get no better, just as those under Muschamp didn't. You feel for the kids because those high rated guys may have really taken off at the right school. Makes that choice of where you go seem quite important.

On your last point, I heard where you all ranked just ahead of Ga Tech on passing TD's (something like this) over the past few years. Won't be hard indeed! A pulse on offense will be cause for major fireworks in Gainesville this year.
 
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GLDunlap said:
You are probably right. Manvel is a power house in Texas. If they didn't have to play Katy they would never lose.
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Manvel isn't all that. The only school in their district capable of giving them a game is Pearland. It would be a much different game if they were in the Cy-Fair ISD, Ft Bend ISD or Katy ISD districts.

The Pasadena schools, So Houston HS and Alvin are a joke in football.
 
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McCat said:
Congrats on your chest-beating, off-topic post that adds nothing to the discussion. Everybody here knows about 50-16, but it has nothing to do with this thread.
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Thanks!
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Why didn't Zook, Urban or Boom pursue these same type of kids then? These mid-level 3* with avg offer sheets have always been there, playing FL competition. Granted, like you, I give a lot more credence to a 3* from Broward or Dade Co than I do a 3* from say IL. I was born and raised in the Muck and saw and played against some of the best competition in the country. I couldn't help but laugh the first time I watched east TN high school football.
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Do you remember Urbz first full class? you take away Nelson and that class is full of moderate rated kids. In the end only Murphy, Nelson and Stamper made an impact.


UF will he fine some highly ranked guys leaning our way.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
I'm not even referring to the QB at this point. I know his situation. I mean, CJM's strategy seems to be to take commitments from anyone and everyone he can. I've already stated I'm not passing judgment until I see his results on the field, but it seems very un-Florida-esque to load up on 3 stars early on in a state ripe with more 4 and 5 star talent than any other state in the country except maybe California or Georgia.

I'll say it again, I'm still in a wait and see stance, but it does puzzle me a little. He may pull some big fish in the end and silence all doubters. He managed to pull a fast one at the end of the last cycle and save that class from being terrible with Ivey and Jefferson. Without them that class would've been ranked 35th.

Currently, the only reason Florida is top 15 is a sheer numbers game. The average ranking for UF's class is lowest in the top 25 other than Kentucky and Duke. I know, I hate playing the stars game, but it is puzzling. I personally thought he'd be crushing it on the recruiting trail.

I'm not trying to argue here, these are merely my thoughts. I've read plenty of your posts and you seem to be level headed and collective, so if you aren't worried about his progress, I'll remain in my current stance and cautiously watch what unfolds.
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Maybe if Mac takes 30 like CBJ we'll finish in top 5. Js
 
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99gator said:
They did. People just dont remember the names.

People also dont remember the 5* star busts. There were plenty. We just remember guys like Tebow and Harvin. But, i can probably list 10-15, 5 star busts under Urban.

I can also name several Louis Murphy, Ahmad Black, Brandon James guys too.
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Name the 5 star busts under Urban.
 
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#83
#83
99gator said:
I went and looked it up.

Florida's recruiting classes have, by and large, been poor since 2008. I'm not talking about stars or recruiting ranking. I'm talking about how those guys actually panned out on the field.

The exception is the 2010 recruiting class on the defensive side of the ball which saw the signings of Dominique Easley, Shariff Floyd, Ronald Powell and Matt Elam. Combined with the 2009 signings of Jelani Jenkins and Jon Bostic formed the 2012 Gator defense that allowed the team to go to the Sugar Bowl.

The best skill positon player signed at Florida since 2006 (based on what they did on the field), other than Cam Newton who did his work at Auburn, is Mike Gillislee....IMO. I can understand votes for Jeff Demps, Chris Rainey, and Jordan Reed.

Derek Dooley signed better WR's in his 3 recruiting classes of 2010-2012 than Florida has signed from 2007-present based on actual play on the field. Florida hasn't signed a WR worth a damn since Percy Harvin and Riley Cooper were signed in 2006, unless you want to count Demarcus Robinson.

So, you can call it "excusing" or "rationalizing" all you want and that's fine, but people can talk about recruiting rankings all they want, Florida's recruiting since 2008 has been bad and on the offensive side of the ball in particular has been terrible.

So, I'll make a prediction for you all and you can take me up on it if you want.

Florida will get more actual quality play and production on the offensive side of the ball from signees in the 2015 and 2016 (yet to sign) classes than they did from what they signed from 2008-2013 combined.

And it really won't be that hard.
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Easy statement to make and not one I disagree with - but a caveat must be added - UF will get more offensive production not because of it's players, but simply because your new coach is a damn good offense coach. How much more production is yet to be determined.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Name the 5 star busts under Urban.
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According to Scout....

Avery Atkins
Jamar Hornsby
Jarred Fayson
John Brown
Deonte Thompson
James Wilson
Lorenzo Edwards
Torrey Davis
Matt Patchen
Carl Moore
Will Hill (saw Hialeah did not have as a complete bust, but I don't remember him starting at Florida or it was rare if he did)
Andre Debose
Gary Brown
Chris Martin
Chris Dunkley

Some of these guys would get an argument because they weren't bad players, but they weren't at Florida long. As an example, Avery Atkins was every bit as good as his 5* rating. However, one year and gone or one year of contribution and gone and, for me, you make the bust list. Debose makes the bust list because you don't sign the "next Percy Harvin" and expect to get a good kickoff return guy.

Then, you can get into arguments about certain guys like Omar Hunter, Justin Trattou and Xavier Nixon who did not make the list because they played and contributed. Some might put Deonte Thompson in this club, too. If Thompson made 5 plays of any significance during his career, I certainly don't remember them. However, regardless, they were not anywhere close to the 5* high school rating.
 
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HialeahGator said:
Maybe if Mac takes 30 like CBJ we'll finish in top 5. Js
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HG throwin shade.

2014 Class Players/Avg Points
UF: 24/89.61
UT: 32/89.51

2014 Class Players/Avg Points
UF: 22/86.99
UT: 30/89.43

It isn't just about the number. It was about lack of quality depth, and available scholarships. I'm sure as much as you frequent this board you understand the position we were in from a talent/roster attrition standpoint. We desperately needed SEC level talent, and some players didn't meet that qualification. If you were able to sign 30 SEC caliber players as a head coach, you would as well. Still, look what that means for this year, we'll most likely take 18.

Also, it isn't just numbers, it's the fact that those huge classes were loaded with high caliber players. I've told you I'm reserving judgment on CJM until I see what he fields. He could very well sign a large class this cycle as well to start clearing out players who don't fit his system and backload this class with big time commitments late in the cycle. Still, wouldn't you think with that many more players than your last two classes the averages of ours would've been brought down? Well, it wasn't because it was comprised of high level players. We were in need of immediate help, and Jones did whatever he could to get it. I expect CJM will do the same.
 
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HialeahGator said:
Do you remember Urbz first full class? you take away Nelson and that class is full of moderate rated kids. In the end only Murphy, Nelson and Stamper made an impact.


UF will he fine some highly ranked guys leaning our way.
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You mean his 2005 class when he was just coming in? His 2006 class (first full one) was loaded in terms of rankings. But even that class had a lot of non-contributors.
 
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How did I forget Patchens, Lo Edwards, Moore and Deonte "Hands" Thompson?

So many bust under Urbz with such a good coaching staff.
 
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butchna said:
Not when he committed.
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2 star on Rivals, 4 star on 24/7.

Edit: this article from Bleacher Report says he was a 4 star qb the day he committed to Tennessee. From June 10, 2014...

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2091740-quinten-dormady-commits-to-tennessee-what-4-star-qb-brings-to-vols

Sorry, can't get link to copy. You can see the title though.
 
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KBVol said:
2 star on Rivals, 4 star on 24/7.

Edit: this article from Bleacher Report says he was a 4 star qb the day he committed to Tennessee. From June 10, 2014...

Quinten Dormady Commits to Tennessee: What 4-Star QB Brings to Vols | Bleacher Report

Sorry, can't get link to copy. You can see the title though.
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Just remember the anguish over a two star QB. :). He was offered before the camp circuit and committed after the services adjusted their ratings...guess which one our resident worry-warts went by? :wink2:
 
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butchna said:
Just remember the anguish over a two star QB. :). He was offered before the camp circuit and committed after the services adjusted their ratings...guess which one our resident worry-warts went by? :wink2:
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Haha, eggs zactly.
 
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Side note, HG have you seen the previews/ads for the short film/documentary, "Muck City"? Outsiders are so intrigued by this part of the world and are always trying to cash in on it, whether it's books, articles and now movies. Growing up, we had to point out on a map where we were from, to those on either coast, cause no one knew about us. Now the region is a national "phenomenon".

When my family settled in the Glades in the early 1900's, they couldn't have imagined what it's become or that anyone would give a damn about it.
 
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Offensive recruits have to be looking at recent history at UF and being cautious. Add in that defensive recruits have to consider is Mac going to keep it a defensive minded team. Recruiting results are as they should be expected for UF fans but there is a needed ramp. Mac is in one of those positions where he may have to exceed expectations to get the recruits to compete. UT was lucky Butch sold the vision as well as he did and legacies aided that or we could have been the same.
 
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DD4ME said:
Offensive recruits have to be looking at recent history at UF and being cautious. Add in that defensive recruits have to consider is Mac going to keep it a defensive minded team. Recruiting results are as they should be expected for UF fans but there is a needed ramp. Mac is in one of those positions where he may have to exceed expectations to get the recruits to compete. UT was lucky Butch sold the vision as well as he did and legacies aided that or we could have been the same.
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Yeah, no.
 
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What I like about Mac is his dedication to the Florida Gators he showed during the SEC summer preview series. He was commenting about what a great day it would be to be out on a boat.

He sounds like a focused, driven individual.
 
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VolStrom said:
What I like about Mac is his dedication to the Florida Gators he showed during the SEC summer preview series. He was commenting about what a great day it would be to be out on a boat.

He sounds like a focused, driven individual.
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Yes, clearly McElwain has no drive or focus because he commented on how great the weather is in Florida.

VolStrom, you rarely disappoint. :eek:lol:
 
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