Lab-Grown Meat Coming to a Restaurant near you THIS YEAR and is due to Hit Grocery Stores by 2028

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This may be slow to take off, but it seems like a good way to ease the resource strain of traditional animal husbandry.

Strange that people would object to this when they'll eat taco bell or any of the fast or f rd dozen options ou there? Taco bell already adulterates its beef with fillets such as oat meal. At least some fastfood chicken contains soy, and those mcnuggets are pressed chicken slurry, but sure let's draw the line at vat grown meat and opt for oscar meyer weenies instead.
 
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jvol1 said:
This may be slow to take off, but it seems like a good way to ease the resource strain of traditional animal husbandry.

Strange that people would object to this when they'll eat taco bell or any of the fast or f rd dozen options ou there? Taco bell already adulterates its beef with fillets such as oat meal. At least some fastfood chicken contains soy, and those mcnuggets are pressed chicken slurry, but sure let's draw the line at vat grown meat and opt for oscar meyer weenies instead.
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I don't see many people objecting to synthetic "meat" being available to those that want it. Me personally I object to any governmental influence or favoritism.
 
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Weezer said:
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Beat me to it 😂
 
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volinbham said:
So when you say this is the future - what time frame are you imagining? 5 years? 10? 20? 50? longer?
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Within the next decade, I think you will start to see it at the retail level at a premium price point. Ironically, those who are environmentally or morally hesitant to consume slaughtered animals will probably be the target demographic at that price point as they are willing to pay a premium for social causes.

It is just a matter of scaling at this point. The tipping point on the adoption curve for this stem-cell technology was when the monopolies within the protein industry invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the technology. Unless the government steps in to save the animal farmers, it is just a matter of when, not if. You will still have steaks and animal based products coming from old dairy cows for the foreseeable future.

The GAO is trying to figure out how to regulate the supply chain. Traditionally, the USDA would regulate protein end-to-end. However, since the stem cells are grown in a laboratory environment, regulation falls up under the FDA. The USDA and the FDA could not be more opposite in how they regulate. Figuring out that handoff or giving USDA jurisdiction over those labs is the next phase regulation.
 
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Calm down people. The industry is just practicing for the day they can market food replicators. They're working hard to reverse engineer the one pilfered from the crashed NCC-0074 that crashed in Roswell, NM.
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PKT_VOL said:
Within the next decade, I think you will start to see it at the retail level at a premium price point. Ironically, those who are environmentally or morally hesitant to consume slaughtered animals will probably be the target demographic at that price point as they are willing to pay a premium for social causes.

It is just a matter of scaling at this point. The tipping point on the adoption curve for this stem-cell technology was when the monopolies within the protein industry invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the technology. Unless the government steps in to save the animal farmers, it is just a matter of when, not if. You will still have steaks and animal based products coming from old dairy cows for the foreseeable future.

The GAO is trying to figure out how to regulate the supply chain. Traditionally, the USDA would regulate protein end-to-end. However, since the stem cells are grown in a laboratory environment, regulation falls up under the FDA. The USDA and the FDA could not be more opposite in how they regulate. Figuring out that handoff or giving USDA jurisdiction over those labs is the next phase regulation.
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maybe I misunderstood what you mean by "the future" of protein food production. I interpret that as saying the lab grown will be the vast majority of meat sales with animal based being a niche

if the "future" means lab grown will be the niche product that can be purchased at a premium for some defined target market I can see that

if it means it will be THE mass market product (say 75+% of the meat market) then I remain skeptical and cannot see that happening within the next 20 years at a minimum (if ever)
 
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Don't need lab meat, plenty natural meat around. When I entered what used to be (maybe still there?) International Safeway Grocery in D.C., several decades ago, I saw on shelves the following. Bee larvae, chocolate covered ants, canned grub worms, canned locust, packaged wasps, and IIRC, dried roaches. There's plenty of meat to be had still on Earth without lab growing. The only question is, how many folks would eat it? Even Bible believers would shy away from locusts, though the Good Book says they're fine cuisine.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Don't need lab meat, plenty natural meat around. When I entered what used to be (maybe still there?) International Safeway Grocery in D.C., several decades ago, I saw on shelves the following. Bee larvae, chocolate covered ants, canned grub worms, canned locust, packaged wasps, and IIRC, dried roaches. There's plenty of meat to be had still on Earth without lab growing. The only question is, how many folks would eat it? Even Bible believers would shy away from locusts, though the Good Book says they're fine cuisine.
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I don't think it's a matter of "need" at the moment. Yes, there's plenty of livestock in the world...1 billion head to be exact, and it's estimated there are 30-50 billion chickens in the world.

Likely the exploration of lab grown meat is for several purposes:

population growth- farms take up a lot of real estate
water- livestock farming requires a lot of water usage
food- 36% of all crops are eaten by animals
price- the hope that some day it will be cheaper than growing/raising animals
 
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MurphyVol said:
I don't think it's a matter of "need" at the moment. Yes, there's plenty of livestock in the world...1 billion head to be exact, and it's estimated there are 30-50 billion chickens in the world.
Likely the exploration of lab grown meat is for several purposes:
population growth- farms take up a lot of real estate
water- livestock farming requires a lot of water usage
food- 36% of all crops are eaten by animals
price- the hope that some day it will be cheaper than growing/raising animals
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Naw, it's for the purpose called Profit. Capitalism and greed. They will find away to duplicate what the tech and digital entertainment industry sector does. Put out a product, dupe folks into believing it is a must-have, make them dependent on it, suck them into a subscription of sorts, and annually jack up the prices.
 
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volinbham said:
maybe I misunderstood what you mean by "the future" of protein food production. I interpret that as saying the lab grown will be the vast majority of meat sales with animal based being a niche

if the "future" means lab grown will be the niche product that can be purchased at a premium for some defined target market I can see that

if it means it will be THE mass market product (say 75+% of the meat market) then I remain skeptical and cannot see that happening within the next 20 years at a minimum (if ever)
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No, you understood correctly, I think lab grown meat will dominate the future of protein consumption. From my perspective, sans government intervention on behalf of cattle ranchers, it is a matter of when the inflexion point occurs, not if.

I think where we got sideways was my last post. With respect to lab grown meat within the next decade at a premium retail price point (due to scaling infancy), I was referring to the early adopters on the S curve. This is due to their willingness to pay a premium and try non-traditional items for social/environmental reasons (see plant-based protein).

Beyond those early adopters on the S curve, I think it will take a couple decades to scale production to a point where it is as cheap or cheaper than animal-based protein. At which point, animal-based protein would become a niche product mostly from necessary farm animals (such as old dairy cows).

Does that make more sense? Sorry for the confusion.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
No, you understood correctly, I think lab grown meat will dominate the future of protein consumption. From my perspective, sans government intervention on behalf of cattle ranchers, it is a matter of when the inflexion point occurs, not if.

I think where we got sideways was my last post. With respect to lab grown meat within the next decade at a premium retail price point (due to scaling infancy), I was referring to the early adopters on the S curve. This is due to their willingness to pay a premium and try non-traditional items for social/environmental reasons (see plant-based protein).

Beyond those early adopters on the S curve, I think it will take a couple decades to scale production to a point where it is as cheap or cheaper than animal-based protein. At which point, animal-based protein would become a niche product mostly from necessary farm animals (such as old dairy cows).

Does that make more sense? Sorry for the confusion.
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When I see the crowd at Davos chowing down on Solyent Purple and fried crickets, then I might begin to consider it. This is basically an attempt to return to ye olden days when Marie Antoinette wondered why the peasants didn’t eat cake. They want to starve us into submission while they dine of lobster tail and the finest Kobe beef.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Naw, it's for the purpose called Profit. Capitalism and greed. They will find away to duplicate what the tech and digital entertainment industry sector does. Put out a product, dupe folks into believing it is a must-have, make them dependent on it, suck them into a subscription of sorts, and annually jack up the prices.
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I don't think something being beneficial and profitable have to be mutually exclusive. Prosthetics are very profitable.
And water usage is no joke, about two billion people live with water scarcity.

Beef is a crazy inefficient type of farming. I remember reading it takes something like 10 lbs of feed and 1800 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef.

But I will concede that if it can't turn a profit, it won't be sustainable. Not many things run at a loss....mostly just governments.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Don't need lab meat, plenty natural meat around. When I entered what used to be (maybe still there?) International Safeway Grocery in D.C., several decades ago, I saw on shelves the following. Bee larvae, chocolate covered ants, canned grub worms, canned locust, packaged wasps, and IIRC, dried roaches. There's plenty of meat to be had still on Earth without lab growing. The only question is, how many folks would eat it? Even Bible believers would shy away from locusts, though the Good Book says they're fine cuisine.
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Here’s the thing about lab based meat. Traditional meat can be raised in your own yard or caught in the nearest river. People however don’t have access to their own high tech lab. Once they get us dependent on lab based protein, they have the power to cut it off. We become controllable. It is a feature of the plan, not a big.
 
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