Lamarcus Coker (Merged)

#51
#51
GAVol said:
Being the #3 tailback is what I would consider buried. It's just tough to get touches for that many guys. That's all I was saying. You can obviously argue that he should have never been #3, but I'm just throwing out a reason why it took until the 4th game for him to get significant carries. If Foster hadn't gotten hurt, we still might not have seen much of Coker.
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I see what you are saying. I just find it mind boggling he does not get carries in the UF game. I am not saying Hardesty and Foster are not good backs, but it is obvious Coker has the most speed of any of them. I find it very discouraging that we see this speed in mop up time of the 4th game of the year.
 
#52
#52
allvol123 said:
I see what you are saying. I just find it mind boggling he does not get carries in the UF game. I am not saying Hardesty and Foster are not good backs, but it is obvious Coker has the most speed of any of them. I find it very discouraging that we see this speed in mop up time of the 4th game of the year.
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The only thing I could figure out in the Florida game was that maybe they stuck Foster back in instead of Coker to see if a bigger back might be able to break a couple of tackles. With Foster banged up, I didn't really understand it either. :dunno:
 
#53
#53
GAVol said:
The only thing I could figure out in the Florida game was that maybe they stuck Foster back in instead of Coker to see if a bigger back might be able to break a couple of tackles. With Foster banged up, I didn't really understand it either. :dunno:
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In hindsight, I think it should have been done differently.
Reminds me of 97 when Jamaal Lewis barely got in the game against Florida.
 
#54
#54
Florida's defense is pretty fast, I don't know if Coker would have been able to do much more than Hardesty.
 
#55
#55
I think Coker could have gotten the 4-5 yards on the outside on fla. they were fast yes but kick out the end double the tackel and run slants until they called uncle and make thoes db make the play that would open up the passing game.
 
#57
#57
Coker looked tough Saturday night, I thought from watching the two run in this game that Coker was the better of the two backs simply because he didn't juke n jive when he had the ball, he was more power than speed...I hope we see him in the backfield getting the start against Memphis this weekend
 
#58
#58
I'm sure Coker's run has been splattered about, especially seeing that we haven't had anybody break one in such a long time, but watching the replay of his 86-yarder gave me something to pause about.

If you'll notice, it looked like the DE and either the OLB or S were waiting in the hole for Coker. However, because of Coker's speed, he busted through there and made the OLB/S miss which got him into the 2nd and 3rd level. While I don't have all of the answers, it made me think about two contributing factors with regard to our running game and offense and general over the last several years:

1. Our OL has been less physical and less cohesive for whatever reason, be it talent, coaching, or both. That is often discussed. But so many times -- seemingly after every game for 6 years -- the coaches speak of " a miss here, a block here, but certainly fixable." After a while, and after not getting fixed, I think it is coaching more than talent. It's the same problem regardless of the players. But the OL is not going to blow open holes against modern defenses, particularly in the SEC. In order to have a good running game, you also have to have a great RB; which leads me to point #2.

2. Coker's run might not have been if Cedric Houston had been tackled in the hole -- or missed it altogether. Coker's run was designed to go to the right and he cut it back. He also showed the speed, on that run, to make someone miss that wasn't accounted for. The OL gave him a seem, but he made it work.

What I'm saying is that is works together. Granted the OL has stunk to date, but there just aren't going to be many big games where they just dominate people. Against the SEC-style defenses, you need a dynamic RB to have a dynamic run game -- and we haven't had that. A good RB -- like Cadillac -- will turn a lot of games and down and distance by turning a 3-yd block into a 10-yard block.

I'm not saying that guy is Coker; not at all. But that play brought this aspect to my attention. He made a 2-5 yard run into an 86 yard run.
 
#59
#59
Coker looks hungry, he is out to proove how good he is. I wish more of our players had his energy and attitude.
 
#60
#60
finevol said:
Coker looks hungry, he is out to proove how good he is. I wish more of our players had his energy and attitude.
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Maybe he is the spark that we have been looking for. We need someone to have the cocky attitude, just not to the level of Kelley Washington.
 
#61
#61
utvol0427 said:
Maybe he is the spark that we have been looking for. We need someone to have the cocky attitude, just not to the level of Kelley Washington.
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you can be a as cocky as you want but w/out good blocking up front it won't matter.
 
#62
#62
patrick said:
you can be a as cocky as you want but w/out good blocking up front it won't matter.
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I think our offensive line will get better as the year progresses. I agree about not having blocking, but it doesn't hurt to have someone with Cokers speed back there.
 
#63
#63
Liper said:
I'm sure Coker's run has been splattered about, especially seeing that we haven't had anybody break one in such a long time, but watching the replay of his 86-yarder gave me something to pause about.

I'm not saying that guy is Coker; not at all. But that play brought this aspect to my attention. He made a 2-5 yard run into an 86 yard run.
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Liper long time now see, where you been?

Coker has the speed UT has been missing for several years, the speed to break off 10-15 yd runs into 70-80 yd runs.
 
#64
#64
If nothing else, Coker is a great back to put in the game in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Talk about some fresh legs..
 
#65
#65
VolTSX23 said:
I do not think the whole reason he was not playing as much was his fumbling. I do not think he has/had the protection packages down. If you do not have that you willl not see the field to often. If he messes up and goes to the wrong side to block it could get ainge hurt. I think that is a big reason he has not played.
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Seems to me that we had a lot of missed blocks in the florida game anyway....and CPF has faith in those guys.
 
#66
#66
Liper said:
I'm sure Coker's run has been splattered about, especially seeing that we haven't had anybody break one in such a long time, but watching the replay of his 86-yarder gave me something to pause about.

If you'll notice, it looked like the DE and either the OLB or S were waiting in the hole for Coker. However, because of Coker's speed, he busted through there and made the OLB/S miss which got him into the 2nd and 3rd level. While I don't have all of the answers, it made me think about two contributing factors with regard to our running game and offense and general over the last several years:

1. Our OL has been less physical and less cohesive for whatever reason, be it talent, coaching, or both. That is often discussed. But so many times -- seemingly after every game for 6 years -- the coaches speak of " a miss here, a block here, but certainly fixable." After a while, and after not getting fixed, I think it is coaching more than talent. It's the same problem regardless of the players. But the OL is not going to blow open holes against modern defenses, particularly in the SEC. In order to have a good running game, you also have to have a great RB; which leads me to point #2.

2. Coker's run might not have been if Cedric Houston had been tackled in the hole -- or missed it altogether. Coker's run was designed to go to the right and he cut it back. He also showed the speed, on that run, to make someone miss that wasn't accounted for. The OL gave him a seem, but he made it work.

What I'm saying is that is works together. Granted the OL has stunk to date, but there just aren't going to be many big games where they just dominate people. Against the SEC-style defenses, you need a dynamic RB to have a dynamic run game -- and we haven't had that. A good RB -- like Cadillac -- will turn a lot of games and down and distance by turning a 3-yd block into a 10-yard block.

I'm not saying that guy is Coker; not at all. But that play brought this aspect to my attention. He made a 2-5 yard run into an 86 yard run.
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Great post. I think your tempered enthusiasm is also well stated. Coker's speed was certainly a breath of fresh air. It is the same enthusiasm I had for this defense after the Cal game. The defense is not as fast as it looked in that game, but I still think it has potential quickness. Too many lineman are getting off and blocking LBs right now.

When will the rest of the offense be up to speed with Coker? That is the biggest question that run raises for me.
 
#67
#67
I do not know if I have ever seen that kind of speed coming out of UTs backfield. I know that Marshall's secondary is not the fastest in the nation, however, Coker turned a seperation of 5 yards into 15 yards in about a second. The kid has blazing speed.

That being said, Coker, Hardesty, and Foster are all sophomores right now. There is a lot of unrealized potential still left, and the shrewd choice for Fulmer and Cutcliffe is to continue RB by committee throughout the rest of the season. Do not alienate any of these guys, and you will have all three of them competing for the starting spot this spring.
 
#70
#70
I didn't get to see the game this past weekend but watched the highlight of coker run about 10 times. I've read a bunch of how fast he was, but man, that guy can flat out fly. I would have to agree that I don't think I've ever seen a back at UT run that fast.

Two DB's had good pursuit angles on him and he simply out ran them.
 
#72
#72
I think I read somewhere in a preseason mag that he has like 4.3 speed. Can anyone find out what is really is? If so, I can't remember any other TB having that kind of speed. Cobb had some good breakaway runs with Webb but I don't remember that kind of speed.
 
#73
#73
bigdaddy said:
I think I read somewhere in a preseason mag that he has like 4.3 speed. Can anyone find out what is really is? If so, I can't remember any other TB having that kind of speed. Cobb had some good breakaway runs with Webb but I don't remember that kind of speed.
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#74
#74
I would like to see our offense come out against Memphis and work to establish the run. I do not think it is going to be easy and we might not get on the scoreboard in the first quarter, however, I think our guys need the work before heading to Athens.
 
#75
#75
therealUT said:
I do not know if I have ever seen that kind of speed coming out of UTs backfield. I know that Marshall's secondary is not the fastest in the nation, however, Coker turned a seperation of 5 yards into 15 yards in about a second. The kid has blazing speed.

That being said, Coker, Hardesty, and Foster are all sophomores right now. There is a lot of unrealized potential still left, and the shrewd choice for Fulmer and Cutcliffe is to continue RB by committee throughout the rest of the season. Do not alienate any of these guys, and you will have all three of them competing for the starting spot this spring.
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I agree. It's been awhile since UT has had that speed in the backfield. Chuck Webb or Charlie Garner maybe, but I think Coker may have them covered. I would love to get the production out of these guys that we were getting in the Cobb/Webb days, and I think the talent is there to do it. By the way, while Foster is a sophomore, Coker and Hardesty are both RS Frosh.
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