Laremy Tunsil admits he accepted money from Ole Miss coach

Don't misunderstand: it would still be a total crock. But at least no one would be making the argument that a kid needs to pursue a communications degree so he can play football for a living.

There are 128 Division 1 football schools, each with 85 players on scholarship. During a given year, that is 10,880 players. How many of these are going to play football for a living? I think choice for a "Football degree" over a "Communications degree" might, in hindsight, be a bad choice for the majority of the 10,880 players.
 
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I don't see how anyone can think football players aren't exploited. They bring in way more then they cost. The $ goes to coaches, administrators, and other sports. It's actually a very immoral system.

What do big companies do? CEO's make millions of dollars, much more than coaches. And yes, I know students are employees.
 
There are 128 Division 1 football schools, each with 85 players on scholarship. During a given year, that is 10,880 players. How many of these are going to play football for a living? I think choice for a "Football degree" over a "Communications degree" might, in hindsight, be a bad choice for the majority of the 10,880 players.

You don't have to require it at all. Players would be smart to major in something else. But, I have no issue if players wanted to major in their sport. Core classes should include media relations, personal money management, and time skills. It's better than taking urban studies or sport management.
 
Since it is all about the money in your mind I think the players should pay the schools for the publicity, facilities, and training they use to promote their livelihood. I had to pay for those during my education years. To think otherwise would be considering athletes to be "privileged."

I'm pretty sure Laremy Tunsil wouldn't mind paying 40k to attend Ole Miss if he was paid his fair market value to play for the the school.

I'm guessing a 5 star LT could probably command at least $500k on the open market. Most likely way more.
 
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There are 128 Division 1 football schools, each with 85 players on scholarship. During a given year, that is 10,880 players. How many of these are going to play football for a living? I think choice for a "Football degree" over a "Communications degree" might, in hindsight, be a bad choice for the majority of the 10,880 players.

We don't worry about the average college kid if they decide to get an art degree that has no market value. I don't know why people are so hung up on college athletes getting the right education.

The free market works well for everyone else. Why not let college athletes partake in it? Instead they are forced into a communist system.
 
You don't have to require it at all. Players would be smart to major in something else. But, I have no issue if players wanted to major in their sport. Core classes should include media relations, personal money management, and time skills. It's better than taking urban studies or sport management.

I agree that those things are important. Why would you think that those things are only important to a student athlete?

One of the best teachers my son had in high school spent a week, showing the class what happens when you are given a credit card with a 25% annual interest rate, and let it get just a little behind. He came home saying OMG, that debt takes off like a rocket. Amazing how many kids (and adults too) don't understand compound interest.

Time management is important too. As for the money management - there is a class called "finance" and another called "economics" that help in understanding these things and yes, you can get a degree in them. Even math - kinda puts that 25% annual interest thing in perspective.

Are you saying there needs to be a special class for the football team to grasp these concepts? Maybe something not as hard as a true business class? Maybe something for those that were given a free ride in high school because they were good football players and can't read now that they are in college?

I'm not saying you are wrong here. It's actually sad that a lot of these kids were given a pass and graduated without college skills. It's sad that many barely meet the entry requirements. I get that. For those - yes- they should be exposed to a part of the university that will, when they leave, have some "walking around sense" about the way the world works so they don't get exploited.

Bottom line - it's a very, very small percentage that make it to the professional level. After 4 years, they should leave there better than when they arrived.

By the way - UT should be very proud of what Joe Scogin has done with the Thornton Athletic Center. It addresses much of what you stated. Here's a link, and I'll paste one paragraph in for you.

Joe Scogin Named Director of Thornton Athletics Student Life Center | Tennessee Today

The Thornton Center helps student-athletes balance the difficult demands of their academic and athletic schedules by providing academic support services. NCAA rules require colleges and universities to provide these services for student-athletes. At UT, these services fall within the academic structure of the university.

“Over the last two years, we’ve made some important changes at the Thornton Center to strengthen the bridge between academics and athletics,” said Susan Martin, provost and senior vice chancellor for academic affairs. “Joe has a strong background in both academics and athletics; he will be an effective liaison between the two and provide a positive influence on the lives of our student-athletes.”

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The Thornton Center has had a VERY positive effect on recruiting. It's a very big pitch to the parents of recruits. The GPA's of UT's Athletes reflects the excellent work done here.

UT Student-Athletes Post 3.03 GPA - University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site
 
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I'm pretty sure Laremy Tunsil wouldn't mind paying 40k to attend Ole Miss if he was paid his fair market value to play for the the school.

I'm guessing a 5 star LT could probably command at least $500k on the open market. Most likely way more.

500K - that is the problem with all this.

If that 5 star is a bust - then they can be fired and their educational package ends. Employees get fired or let go for not performing. You don't work - you don't get paid.

And do you really think a 17/18 year old can handle a bidding war? LT couldn't even handle what was happening to him and he is much older than that. Many of them would not be old enough to sign such a contract right out of high school. And if their family really needs money, the student would never see most of that money and we would see young men suing their parents / guardians. A recipe for disaster.

Look closely in other industries at what happens to very young folks that come into a lot of money before they are able to handle it.
 
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At Bama, where the coaching staff is the highest paid in the country, coach's and football staff salaries, and the school training staff (which assists all other sports, but we'll lump it all in for football for the sake of argument), comes to 16% of the total revenues the football team brought in.

It's hard for me to quantify access to equipment and video in dollars, but I think you'll agree that it's a stretch to say it could possibly be more than $3 million. So that takes us to 18%.

Again, for a "non-profit".

i think the NCAA is a considered a non profit, but I don't think Universities are. and if we did pay players it wouldn't be coming out of the NCAAs money. so I see no problem with Universities making money.

and in most situations if a non-profit makes money they have to give the money away. In all athletic departments the extra money from football goes to other sports.
 
Bruh. I wouldn't waste my time arguing this. When it comes to paying college athletes there is a bias by most Americans against seeing young black men getting paid their fair market worth.

It's why sports dominated by African-Americans (basketball and football) have salary cap rules at the professional level that supress fair market value and why there are rules against going directly from high school to the pros.

If you play baseball you can go directly from high school to the pros, and no one has a problem with it. In baseball you can also get paid your fair market value. There is no artificial salary cap to suppress your value.

13 and 14 year olds kids to pro in sports like Tennis or Golf and no one has a problem with it. But if a 18 year old black kid wants to go to the NBA it's a tragedy.

1. Ben Roethlisberger (white)
2. Ndamukong Suh
3. Carson Palmer (white)
4. JJ Watt (white)
5. Peyton Manning (white)
6. Gerald McCoy
7. Eli Manning (white)
8. Andy Dalton (white)
9. LaSean McCoy
10. Tony Romo (white)
11. Drew Brees (white)
12. Tyron Smith
13. Alex Smith (white)
14. Devin McCourty
15. Aaron Rodgers (white)


#15 Aaron Rodgers - In Photos: The NFL's Highest-Paid Players 2015 - Forbes

This is the list of the people most hurt by the salary cap, the top earners. I know of a couple of those guys took cuts, and even your Tom Bradys took cuts so the rest of the team could get more money. but please continue how the pay cap is only hurting the black players from making their fair share
 
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I don't see how anyone can think football players aren't exploited. They bring in way more then they cost. The $ goes to coaches, administrators, and other sports. It's actually a very immoral system.

ha, welcome to capitalism 101. the workers always provide the "goods" but never see the vast profit. so unless you are willing to take down the way our economy runs you may want to rethink your argument.
 
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Every school in the NCAA with the exception of Grand Canyon State in D-II is a non-profit.

even private schools? did not know that. and seeing as how the athletic departments typically give that money away I still fail to see how that is wrong that one division of it makes money if the rest is a net loss.
 
Finebaum said you can bet on the NCAA investigating the school. He said they likely won't wait until June that they are probably already on campus. He said when they get done with The Grove they'll be heading down to Bama.
 
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ha, welcome to capitalism 101. the workers always provide the "goods" but never see the vast profit. so unless you are willing to take down the way our economy runs you may want to rethink your argument.

Why are pro sports different? Star Players make way more then the coaches.
 
Bruh. I wouldn't waste my time arguing this. When it comes to paying college athletes there is a bias by most Americans against seeing young black men getting paid their fair market worth.

It's why sports dominated by African-Americans (basketball and football) have salary cap rules at the professional level that supress fair market value and why there are rules against going directly from high school to the pros.

If you play baseball you can go directly from high school to the pros, and no one has a problem with it. In baseball you can also get paid your fair market value. There is no artificial salary cap to suppress your value.

13 and 14 year olds kids to pro in sports like Tennis or Golf and no one has a problem with it. But if a 18 year old black kid wants to go to the NBA it's a tragedy.

A salary cap isn't in place to hold down athletes, let alone black athletes. It may indirectly do so but without one, sports would in all likelihood be dominated by the large market teams and wouldn't be a source of entertainment. No one wants to watch a sport that's non-competitive, controlled by a handful of teams and where the winners are a foregone conclusion.
 
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1. Ben Roethlisberger (white)
2. Ndamukong Suh
3. Carson Palmer (white)
4. JJ Watt (white)
5. Peyton Manning (white)
6. Gerald McCoy
7. Eli Manning (white)
8. Andy Dalton (white)
9. LaSean McCoy
10. Tony Romo (white)
11. Drew Brees (white)

12. Tyron Smith
13. Alex Smith (white)
14. Devin McCourty
15. Aaron Rodgers (white)


#15 Aaron Rodgers - In Photos: The NFL's Highest-Paid Players 2015 - Forbes

This is the list of the people most hurt by the salary cap, the top earners. I know of a
couple of those guys took cuts, and even your Tom Bradys took cuts so the rest of the team could get more money. but please continue how the pay cap is only hurting the black players from making their fair share
He can't. He is a dumb racist sack of trash.
 
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A salary cap isn't in place to hold down athletes, let alone black athletes. It may indirectly do so but without one sports would in all likelihood be dominated by the large market teams and wouldn't be a source of entertainment. No one wants to watch a sport that's non-competitive, controlled by a handful of teams and where the winners are a foregone conclusion.

Yep. The NFL model is about competitive parity.
Parity = Drama. Drama = Ratings.
It's not a secret society designed to hold people down.
 
A salary cap isn't in place to hold down athletes, let alone black athletes. It may indirectly do so but without one sports would in all likelihood be dominated by the large market teams and wouldn't be a source of entertainment. No one wants to watch a sport that's non-competitive, controlled by a handful of teams and where the winners are a foregone conclusion.

Then why do the Yankees stink?
 
A salary cap isn't in place to hold down athletes, let alone black athletes. It may indirectly do so but without one sports would in all likelihood be dominated by the large market teams and wouldn't be a source of entertainment. No one wants to watch a sport that's non-competitive, controlled by a handful of teams and where the winners are a foregone conclusion.

Doesn't seem to hurt European soccer. Real Madrid and Barcelona have all the best players and it's the most popular sport in the world.

Major League Baseball also seems to be doing just fine without a salary cap.
 
Doesn't seem to hurt European soccer. Real Madrid and Barcelona have all the best players and it's the most popular sport in the world.

Major League Baseball also seems to be doing just fine without a salary cap.

Mlb popularity has been on the slide, but keeping making stupid points.
 
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Cam Newton never admitted he knew his dad took money. He said he went to Auburn cause he wanted. You can call it BS and I would agree with you. But it gives him and the school a loophole. On your other point, I don't know anything about those 4 Auburn players you're talking about but if they're from a long time ago, it might just be that too much time passed...sorta like a statute of limitations.

This Tunsil thing is completely different. First he admits to knowledge. And Ole Miss is currently under investigation.

They're getting the hammer. At least as bad as USC for Reggie Bush and most likely a lot worse. This is national news. They can't ignore it.

I actually agree with you on this. Can help but feel that this ends with ole miss getting spanked by the ncaa.
 
Doesn't seem to hurt European soccer. Real Madrid and Barcelona have all the best players and it's the most popular sport in the world.

Major League Baseball also seems to be doing just fine without a salary cap.

D4H those two teams are strangling La Liga. Premier league in England shares revenue and has penalties for teams that pay beyond salary constraints and that league has much better parity top to bottom.
 
The Yankees have more WS championships than any other team if I'm not mistaken. You've just made BGV's argument for him.

Empirically salary caps and revenue sharing create league parody.

This is hard to say for several reasons. Revenue sharing only helps with parity if the small market teams put that extra revenue into player salaries which is often not the case unless their league mandates it. It's also difficult to compare the effects of a salary cap across sports. Generally speaking, the smaller the team roster for each sport (the NBA has only 12 man rosters while mlb has 25 man and the nfl 53 man rosters) - the less amount of parity you will have regardless of a salary cap. Quite simply two or three great players can really go a long way in basketball. The NBA was one of the first professional sports leagues to implement a cap and yet since 1980 six teams have accounted for 31 of the 36 championships that have been won:

Lakers 10
Bulls 6
Spurs 5
Celtics 4
Pistons 3
Heat 3
 
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