Last years record was not an reflection of talent

[tennrich1]

Actually, your secondary might be the worst in the SEC, and not simply because of coaching. Your LBs are in the back of the pack in the SEC as well.

No doubt, Tennessee had more talent than their record would indicate. But there are still some major issues that go beyond coaching.

Actually out LBs were considered a strength until the 3-4 came along....DBs were slow what with the injuries so your statement is COMPLETELY inaccurate..,,

 

[tennrich1]

LB's back of the pack? Sal said those were potentially the best LB's he has ever coached in Johnson and Maggitt. Secondary has alot of highly rated players, just need someone to coach them. Secondary was better the yr before under different coach's and were a yr younger. So actually it was mostly coaching. When your not getting much pass rush it doesnt matter what your have in the secondary. As your coach said, there is no such thing as a lock down corner.

Jason I should have read your post first. You are EXACTLY correct. The Bama guy was wrong on ever point....

 

[BearCat204]

Ah, look at the gator troll....isn't he cute.


Such a loser and attention whore that he visits volnation.


You're so cute. Yes, you are. Come here lil buddy.

pot meet kettle

 

[Cartervol]

There is some talent on the roster.. AJ Johnson isn't a middle linebacker... Maggit was slowed all year with turf toe... I would like to see them move Maggit inside and put AJ at DE with about 15 more pounds on him.. Secondary didn't cover well.. They didn't get much help up front from the pass rush either.. Tennessee needs to recruit defense heavy this year... They need to find some speed.......................

 

[perico]

Our two top LBs got on the first day when they declare. Also the previous year our defense was the 28th so the drastic drop off in production with the same players shows a lack of coaching not talent.

Have to agree with what an earlier poster said. The talent is not there yet.

This may be the slowest group of DBs and LBs I have ever seen. AJ is legit though.

 

[Chilmonty]

Actually, your secondary might be the worst in the SEC, and not simply because of coaching. Your LBs are in the back of the pack in the SEC as well.

No doubt, Tennessee had more talent than their record would indicate. But there are still some major issues that go beyond coaching.

Agree about our secondary but not the LBs. AJ Johnson led the SEC in tackles with 138 and was 4th in the entire NCAA! Not to shabby IMO!

 

[Thrasher865]

you were the dude who guaranteed a win over bama last year right?

Ah, look at the gator troll....isn't he cute.


Such a loser and attention whore that he visits volnation.


You're so cute. Yes, you are. Come here lil buddy.

No, he's right. It was a ban bet IIRC, wasn't it?

:question:

 

[strongtower]

Our defense aren't world beaters but are not near as bad as we think. They were decent under Wilcox but under foul Sal we saw a different beast.

defense under Wilcox #37
same defense under Foul Sal #110

tell me coaching had nothing to do with it

 

[Bluetic]

Alot of people will look at the upcoming year and say we are going to suck because of our 2012 record.


Why?


We clearly had the talent to beat FL and had them on the ropes so bad they went on fourth down in the middle of the field.

We were in the USC and GA game up to the very last minute.

And let me remind you....this was done with SAL as the DC and Dooley as the head coach. Let that sink in.


Now let's move to 2013. We will have the entire OL back. Bigger, meaner, stronger. And sick of losing!

We will have two RB's that have been under JG for two years now. Did you see how much they improved last year? Now they have 9 whole months to get even better.

And we will have Brian Randolph back and a few new faces at CB.

Plus! We won't have a moron for a DC. Watch the scoring drive USC had on fourth and 20 something and ask yourself if that would have happened with a real DC? I think no.


We thought we had the potential to win the East last year...and everyone is coming back except two WR's. Yes, losing CP hurts alot. But Hunter leaving doesnt really. He was never the same after his injury.

So guys. Have some hope for next year. We got an actual coach now. And recruits are looking and listening to us.


Head up. Be proud. We will come back.

Go Vols!

Nah...Which is more likely, that UT's talent has dropped off that bad or that they took a gamble on a dc that had never been a dc and he flopped? The guys were out of position, took bad angles, blew assignments, missed takles and were in bad play calls to begin with. Those are all things that reflect the coaches performance. Not to mention losing Maggit off and on and the starting safety for the season as well as playing some pretty good teams where there is no room for error. Not the best talent, but certainly not the problem. The gamble Dooley took on Sunseri and the 3-4 might be the worst coaching blunder I have ever seen.

 

[Rudy123]

Alot of people will look at the upcoming year and say we are going to suck because of our 2012 record.


Why?


We clearly had the talent to beat FL and had them on the ropes so bad they went on fourth down in the middle of the field.

We were in the USC and GA game up to the very last minute.

And let me remind you....this was done with SAL as the DC and Dooley as the head coach. Let that sink in.


Now let's move to 2013. We will have the entire OL back. Bigger, meaner, stronger. And sick of losing!

We will have two RB's that have been under JG for two years now. Did you see how much they improved last year? Now they have 9 whole months to get even better.

And we will have Brian Randolph back and a few new faces at CB.

Plus! We won't have a moron for a DC. Watch the scoring drive USC had on fourth and 20 something and ask yourself if that would have happened with a real DC? I think no.


We thought we had the potential to win the East last year...and everyone is coming back except two WR's. Yes, losing CP hurts alot. But Hunter leaving doesnt really. He was never the same after his injury.

So guys. Have some hope for next year. We got an actual coach now. And recruits are looking and listening to us.


Head up. Be proud. We will come back.

Go Vols!

Yes, we can see some visible improvements on our team.
(1) A new coach who will motivate the players and who is confident in what he does.
(2) A better D.C.

However; there are some reasons that I see that we won't improve very much from this season, until next season.

(1) UGA, Florida, USC and Missouri will improve.

(2) Florida game will be played in the Swamp this seaon.

(3) Bray, Hunter & C.P. will be gone.

(4) Our non - conference schedule is harder due to Oregon being on the schedule.

I see another 5 win season and with any luck we will win 6 games. Maybe an opponent will make a critical mistake and essentially give us a game to give us our 6th win.

 

[OrangeBlood4life]

Awesome thread for the bama and gator trolls to come in and beat thier chest and tell us how how we suck. But I'll stroke your ego. Guys our defense wasn't as fast as bama's or floridas. We will never have the talent they do. Never have as good of coaching.

There, feel better? After all, that's what your here for

 

[DarthVisor]

you were the dude who guaranteed a win over bama last year right?

Also the same scholar that started that allsome Benedict Arnold thread.

 

[Vol_Maul]

Actually, your secondary might be the worst in the SEC, and not simply because of coaching. Your LBs are in the back of the pack in the SEC as well.

No doubt, Tennessee had more talent than their record would indicate. But there are still some major issues that go beyond coaching.

UT obviously had enough to be in a lot of games. Who really knows what we will put on the field? The coaching was just terrible. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina and Mississippi State were all within reach. A good coach could have split those given how the team performed on those days. Missouri should have also been a win. Alabama and mother****ing Vanderbilt were the only two teams to blow them off the field. Alabama was just better. Vanderbilt wanted it more. This team has the potential to compete, at least for the East, within a couple of years.

 

[bamawriter]

Actually out LBs were considered a strength until the 3-4 came along....DBs were slow what with the injuries so your statement is COMPLETELY inaccurate..,,

If all of your DBs were so injured that they were incapable of staying with pretty much anyone, then those injuries seem catastrophic. If they were horses they'd already be off to the glue factory.

As for your LBs in the 3-4, the change in scheme simply exposed a lack of speed.

 

[sjt18]

Actually, your secondary might be the worst in the SEC, and not simply because of coaching. Your LBs are in the back of the pack in the SEC as well.

No doubt, Tennessee had more talent than their record would indicate. But there are still some major issues that go beyond coaching.

AJ and Maggitt are very talented. In the right scheme several other guys would have been better. As a "writer", you should know that a bad scheme/playcalling/coaching can make good players look bad. A great scheme can make mediocre players look incredible (see Stanford's effort vs Oregon).

UT has players with all the physical tools you would want in DB group.

 

[bamawriter]

AJ and Maggitt are very talented. In the right scheme several other guys would have been better.

I know that Maggitt was hurt, so he has an excuse. While AJ is a gamer, the move to 3-4 showed just how slow the guy is. He's got football smarts, but some physical limitations that smarts can't totally overcome.

UT has players with all the physical tools you would want in DB group.

No. No they don't.

 

[99gator]

I know that Maggitt was hurt, so he has an excuse. While AJ is a gamer, the move to 3-4 showed just how slow the guy is. He's got football smarts, but some physical limitations that smarts can't totally overcome.



No. No they don't.

This

 

[ice]

our secondary sucked.
Repeatedly saw really dumb moves by our players through out the year.

 

[99gator]

Awesome thread for the bama and gator trolls to come in and beat thier chest and tell us how how we suck. But I'll stroke your ego. Guys our defense wasn't as fast as bama's or floridas. We will never have the talent they do. Never have as good of coaching.

There, feel better? After all, that's what your here for

Have it your way.

Talent is not an issue on a team with 2 total sec wins in the last 2 years.

Florida won 11 games and has obvious talent issues in spots.

Tennessee has 3 straight losing seasons and talent is not an issue. Got it

 

[Titleistvol]

Have it your way.

Talent is not an issue on a team with 2 total sec wins in the last 2 years.

Florida won 11 games and has obvious talent issues in spots.

Tennessee has 3 straight losing seasons and talent is not an issue. Got it

god! - i hate agreeing with a gator!!!

 

[VolBeef88]

NEOCON you are dead on! The Vols are coming back sooner than the negavols can post all their bad karma. Don't retreat, take the high ground and never look back! I believe 2013 champions, end of story. GBO!!!!

Us "negavols" were so wrong about Dooley weren't we. My gosh you guys are pathetic. In y'alls world reality = negative.
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[LocoVol]

Maybe we should just buy some players? Works down south.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Nah...Which is more likely, that UT's talent has dropped off that bad or that they took a gamble on a dc that had never been a dc and he flopped? The guys were out of position, took bad angles, blew assignments, missed takles and were in bad play calls to begin with. Those are all things that reflect the coaches performance. Not to mention losing Maggit off and on and the starting safety for the season as well as playing some pretty good teams where there is no room for error. Not the best talent, but certainly not the problem. The gamble Dooley took on Sunseri and the 3-4 might be the worst coaching blunder I have ever seen.

We are OK on defensive talent. We were not OK on defensive coaching talent.

Watching Cinci games from last year of WatchESPN, I saw mostly average talent that was well coached. That mostly average , well-coached talent beat the VU team that brutalized our D.

I have high hopes.

:hi:

 

[i2amavol]

Alot of people will look at the upcoming year and say we are going to suck because of our 2012 record.


Why?


We clearly had the talent to beat FL and had them on the ropes so bad they went on fourth down in the middle of the field.

We were in the USC and GA game up to the very last minute.

And let me remind you....this was done with SAL as the DC and Dooley as the head coach. Let that sink in.


Now let's move to 2013. We will have the entire OL back. Bigger, meaner, stronger. And sick of losing!

We will have two RB's that have been under JG for two years now. Did you see how much they improved last year? Now they have 9 whole months to get even better.

And we will have Brian Randolph back and a few new faces at CB.

Plus! We won't have a moron for a DC. Watch the scoring drive USC had on fourth and 20 something and ask yourself if that would have happened with a real DC? I think no.


We thought we had the potential to win the East last year...and everyone is coming back except two WR's. Yes, losing CP hurts alot. But Hunter leaving doesnt really. He was never the same after his injury.

So guys. Have some hope for next year. We got an actual coach now. And recruits are looking and listening to us.


Head up. Be proud. We will come back.

Go Vols!

New team. New year.

There are so many possibilities about how this team will come together, it is nearly impossible to predict. We have a new coach, new offensive scheme. New DC, back to the old scheme? New QB. New Receivers. Possibly a new 5* RB.

It will be good to know that we have a talented and highly experienced OL. Won't the DL mostly be a lot more experienced as well?

I think it is possible that our fortunes could be totally different next year. A lot will be up to the coaching. I am certainly hopeful at this point. The schedule doesn't help us though, and I am not sure our talent is going to be at the level of FL, Ga, SC, AL.

 

[sjt18]

Alot of people will look at the upcoming year and say we are going to suck because of our 2012 record.


Why?


We clearly had the talent to beat FL and had them on the ropes so bad they went on fourth down in the middle of the field.

True. This past year's D had the personnel to be at least a 20-25 ppg D. Rougly mid-pack in the SEC. Their 36 ppg performance was almost entirely coaching.

They had more talent than Vandy, Mizzou, UK, and Arkansas at a bare minimum. Those D's were 5 to 18 ppg better than Sal's D. UK... was almost a TD per game better than UT on D.

And let me remind you....this was done with SAL as the DC and Dooley as the head coach. Let that sink in.

If Sal isn't the DC... UT is headed to a bowl game with 8 or 9 wins.... and Dooley is still HC.

His gameday coaching proved to be suspect overall. However much like Bray's chokes with opportunities to win... Dooley's deficiencies would have been covered had the D been even avg.

And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Miles is a NC coach with serious personal deficiencies that talent and sometimes assistant coaches cover. Richt is in the same boat.

If you are looking for HC's who are truly the coaching key to their teams' success, Spurrier and Saban are the only ones in the SEC that truly qualify. All of the others have flaws and depend to a much greater degree on the coaches they surround themselves with.

Now let's move to 2013. We will have the entire OL back. Bigger, meaner, stronger. And sick of losing!

And... If you remember... these guys were not winning the one on one battles with the DL guys. UT has talent on the DL. As compared to 3 years ago, they're loaded. If these guys have a good scheme and can coach them up then I have reasonable confidence that the DL and DB's can be good. Depth at LB is a major concern IMO.

Plus! We won't have a moron for a DC. Watch the scoring drive USC had on fourth and 20 something and ask yourself if that would have happened with a real DC? I think no.

You can go further and compare his D to Wilcox's with regard to playing assignments. They were young but improving under Wilcox. They would frequently have multiple busted assignments on the same play under Sunseri.

We thought we had the potential to win the East last year...and everyone is coming back except two WR's.

I tend to agree but those guys were the offense at times. I like the improvement in the RB group but do not see any of them as top shelf players at this point. This is one area where I think the right recruit has an opportunity for immediate impact.

So guys. Have some hope for next year. We got an actual coach now. And recruits are looking and listening to us.

Remains to be seen. I took a wait and see with Dooley... and will with Jones. The scorecard is blank for him right now. Let's see how he finishes this recruiting class, spring practice, and next season before we call him an "actual coach".