Last years record was not an reflection of talent

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Orange Blood n IL said:
And so the trolls commence to petty sarcasm to support their negativity for our Vols...I rest my case...:hi:
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Yeah, it's not like there's any evidence.

Tennessee gave the big play frequently in 2011.

People dont remember because in 2012, Tennessee turned into an artform.
 
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bamawriter said:
If all of your DBs were so injured that they were incapable of staying with pretty much anyone, then those injuries seem catastrophic. If they were horses they'd already be off to the glue factory.

As for your LBs in the 3-4, the change in scheme simply exposed a lack of speed.
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Pal I tried to be nice but the ONE OBVIOUS THING IS your statements are just not correct....Now I agree our defense was the WORST IN THE HISTORY OF OUR PROGRAM...but to run down the linbackers??? Well I just had to discredit you right away...and YES the injuries to our secondary WHERE caststrophic as far as the effect on our defense...THAT'S WHY WE GOT WORST AS THE YEAR WORN ON....One question....WHY PRAY TELL WOULD A BAMA FAN COME TO A VOL WEBSITE....Just never been able to figure that out...
 
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sjt18 said:
Maybe not. Reasoned, informed, fact supported arguments are indeed pretty rare here.

Or I guess we can just believe that UT's whole D became slower, weaker, and less talented while returning almost the same players plus some talented newcomers from '11 to '12.
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That's on (most) message boards, though. It's not like you're known for posting reasoned, informed, fact supported arguments.
 
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tennrich1 said:
Pal I tried to be nice but the ONE OBVIOUS THING IS your statements are just not correct....Now I agree our defense was the WORST IN THE HISTORY OF OUR PROGRAM...but to run down the linbackers??? Well I just had to discredit you right away...and YES the injuries to our secondary WHERE caststrophic as far as the effect on our defense...THAT'S WHY WE GOT WORST AS THE YEAR WORN ON....One question....WHY PRAY TELL WOULD A BAMA FAN COME TO A VOL WEBSITE....Just never been able to figure that out...
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Not sure if I missed anything else.
 
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tennrich1 said:
Pal I tried to be nice but the ONE OBVIOUS THING IS your statements are just not correct....Now I agree our defense was the WORST IN THE HISTORY OF OUR PROGRAM...but to run down the linbackers??? Well I just had to discredit you right away...and YES the injuries to our secondary WHERE caststrophic as far as the effect on our defense...THAT'S WHY WE GOT WORST AS THE YEAR WORN ON....One question....WHY PRAY TELL WOULD A BAMA FAN COME TO A VOL WEBSITE....Just never been able to figure that out...
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Our linebackers were awful & I don't understand why anybody has a hard time seeing it. They were all slow & constantly out of position. They couldn't get off blocks & none have an ounce of cover skills. Our secondary was terrible as well. Byron Moore was abysmal & the rest were slow & couldn't make a play even when they were in position. You're right it is the worst D in UT history.
 
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People really need to go back and watch tape of the two td's by vandy's joey mathews and the td by the mizzou rb to start the 2nd half
 
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bamawriter said:
Hightower and Upshaw play much faster than Johnson.
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Yes they do, does that not have to do with coaching?

I think it's certainly possible that our guys have the ability to run fast (they are SEC football players after all) but didn't know the defense and as a result couldn't "play fast" like you hear every defensive coordinator in the world talk about. I don't believe that our current crop of DBs and LBs is better than the top teams in the SEC but I also don't believe their physical tools are so limited that they can't be an effective unit.
 
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bamawriter said:
Hightower and Upshaw play much faster than Johnson.
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That's exactly correct. Why is that? We had players all over the field play "slower" than they should and that's because they were out of position and didn't know what they were supposed to do. That dear bama writer is what coaching is all about. When a player has to "think" instead of react he's beaten. Hopefuly our new staff will fix the utter horrible display of discipline and play we've seen the past 3 seasons.
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99gator said:
People really need to go back and watch tape of the two td's by vandy's joey mathews and the td by the mizzou rb to start the 2nd half
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Watch the UGA game. Watch the 3rd & forever draw plays versus Troy. Watch a tight end outrun our team untouched for 2 tds in the UF game. The Missouri game was a travesty by the team & coaches.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
That's exactly correct. Why is that? We had players all over the field play "slower" than they should and that's because they were out of position and didn't know what they were supposed to do. That dear bama writer is what coaching is all about. When a player has to "think" instead of react he's beaten. Hopefuly our new staff will fix the utter horrible display of discipline and play we've seen the past 3 seasons.
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This^^^
 
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99gator said:
People really need to go back and watch tape of the two td's by vandy's joey mathews and the td by the mizzou rb to start the 2nd half
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It doesn't matter how fast a player is. If he's out of position or has to "think" about what to do he's beaten. Period.
Do we have a top 10 talent pool? Not at all but there's a helluva lot more talent than our pathetic coaching staff got out of them the past 3 years.
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Nobody wants to hear from another rival fan the problems of our team. But we are allowed to talk about how bad it is. It's like if your best friend says dude that shirt looks gay, you won't care. But if someone that you already can't stand, says it, it just pisses you off.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
It doesn't matter how fast a player is. If he's out of position or has to "think" about what to do he's beaten. Period.
Do we have a top 10 talent pool? Not at all but there's a helluva lot more talent than our pathetic coaching staff got out of them the past 3 years.
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I understand. I agree.

But, let me give throw a possibility at you.

On numerous occasions, people did line up correctly. People did react to the ball properly. Yet, the big play still happened or otger issues showed up.
 
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bamawriter said:
Hightower and Upshaw play much faster than Johnson.
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I've read through this thread since last night, and I really don't understand why you would come on a Tennessee board and so viciously go after an opinion. Now I think I know why. It looks like you want to make it seem like the players were the problem and not the coaching as a way of defending Sunseri for some odd reason. I don't know why, maybe because he is some beloved bama coach for you.

I know we have a lack of talent, and we are slow in the skill positions, but we are not back of the pack when it comes to first string defensive talent. We have seen that this talent is at least serviceable with decent coaching. Is it top shelf? No it is not, but it's not Natty light either.
 
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99gator said:
I understand. I agree.

But, let me give throw a possibility at you.

On numerous occasions, people did line up correctly. People did react to the ball properly. Yet, the big play still happened or otger issues showed up.
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You're nuts...Frankie Hammond has world class speed.
 
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I still think our defense has a lot of question marks. Most notably the lack of speed in the secondary. That was so evident at times last year I wanted to scream. They were also out of possition as often as they were out-athleted, so I think coaching can make a pretty big difference in their play but they will still be the same guys back there that can't run with anyone on a fly route. I am excited to see how much McNeil improves however. Having Randolph back and healthy will also be nice.

We have two very good linebackers (when healthy) but the rest aren't anything to write home about, and we dont really have much quality depth at the position. The only young guys I'm really excited to see how they improve next year are Bynum and Harris. I think they both have some potential.

And our d line has some solid pieces but to me none of them are special. Last year they may have been one of if not the least disruptive group in the SEC as far as getting pressure on the quarterback. And I can't see that really improving next year after switching back to the 4-3 as our three best d linemen last year (Couch, McCullers, & Sentimore) arent the most explosive players and are better suited for the 3-4. But there are some young guys who I'm excited about and want to see how they improve and fit in the new defense (Trent Taylor, Danny O'Brien, & Jordan Williams) as I think they could all be better suite to play in the 4-3, also Taylor and Williams bring some much needed explosiveness to the team.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
That's exactly correct. Why is that? We had players all over the field play "slower" than they should and that's because they were out of position and didn't know what they were supposed to do. That dear bama writer is what coaching is all about. When a player has to "think" instead of react he's beaten. Hopefuly our new staff will fix the utter horrible display of discipline and play we've seen the past 3 seasons.
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If Tennessee had gotten gashed for a few big runs, I'd agree with you. But Tennessee got run on time after time after time in part because of bad playcalling and a terrible scheme, but in part because UT's LBs and secondary were too slow to limit the plays.
 
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thadolphinman said:
I've read through this thread since last night, and I really don't understand why you would come on a Tennessee board and so viciously go after an opinion. Now I think I know why. It looks like you want to make it seem like the players were the problem and not the coaching as a way of defending Sunseri for some odd reason. I don't know why, maybe because he is some beloved bama coach for you.
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I've criticized Sunseri numerous times in this thread. So either you didn't actually read the whole thing, or you didn't understand what you read.
 
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99gator said:
I understand. I agree.

But, let me give throw a possibility at you.

On numerous occasions, people did line up correctly. People did react to the ball properly. Yet, the big play still happened or otger issues showed up.
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Like I said we don't have a top 10 defensive talent pool and we'd have given up big plays. But the majority were when our players were completely out of position.
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bamawriter said:
If Tennessee had gotten gashed for a few big runs, I'd agree with you. But Tennessee got run on time after time after time in part because of bad playcalling and a terrible scheme, but in part because UT's LBs and secondary were too slow to limit the plays.
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Like I said. We don't have a top 10 defense. But I don't care who you are, if you have to think or are out of position you will get beat and we were out of position all year and our players didn't seem to know what to do. If you can't understand that then you're a bigger fool than I thought.
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bamawriter said:
If Tennessee had gotten gashed for a few big runs, I'd agree with you. But Tennessee got run on time after time after time in part because of bad playcalling and a terrible scheme, but in part because UT's LBs and secondary were too slow to limit the plays.
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The "limitation of plays" had absolutely nothing to do with speed and everything to do with the players grasp of said scheme. You are truly showing your ignorance now and have resorted to grasping straws. :stop:
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Like I said. We don't have a top 10 defense. But I don't care who you are, if you have to think ...
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This is an easy excuse. The truth is that you get beat if you think too much and guess wrong. Thinking too much does cause you to lose a footrace. And you can even recover from guessing wrong if you have the talent to recover. Tennessee doesn't have that kind of talent.
 
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Orange Blood n IL said:
The "limitation of plays" had absolutely nothing to do with speed and everything to do with the players grasp of said scheme. You are truly showing your ignorance now and have resorted to grasping straws. :stop:
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If UT's LBs and DBs never lost a footrace all year, you'd have a point. But they lost pretty much every one they were in.

The scheme and the coaching were abysmal. But you and your ilk are desperately hoping that it was the coaching and nothing else despite the fact that you could get plenty of evidence to the contrary by simply watching the games. You can't coach someone into being faster than God made him.
 
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